I'm torn between friends or what I try to stand for
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So much hate in this thread ...
I'm not sure why some people are advocating you to ditch your friends for not listening. You've mentioned they are listening; just not being completely swayed and converted. We can't always expect our friends to agree with everything we say, all the time!
I'd say hold back on getting either. Stick with Steam for the start, and see how they fare. If they buy Xboxes and regret it, then you'll be good to get a PS4 with them and have happy times together. If they love the One, then you can make a decision based on that.
I'm not sure why some people are advocating you to ditch your friends for not listening. You've mentioned they are listening; just not being completely swayed and converted. We can't always expect our friends to agree with everything we say, all the time!
I'd say hold back on getting either. Stick with Steam for the start, and see how they fare. If they buy Xboxes and regret it, then you'll be good to get a PS4 with them and have happy times together. If they love the One, then you can make a decision based on that.
If he's your cousin, then with an Xbox One you can play each other's games from your own console, even if they're playing it. You don't need to "Swap" because you can share all your games.TizzytheTormentor said:
you consider parting with your friends because of your and their choice of gaming consoles?
maybe all of you should check your priorities. if person A gets mad at person B because of some luxury item to be used for fun in their free time, i'd say something's *kind of* wrong.
would you cut your ties because, let's say, you like blue t-shirts and they prefer red t-shirts?
come on man, we're talking about gaming (in case of the xbone: more-or-less gaming) consoles here... just buy whatever you prefer, let them get their useless xbones, and everybody's happy.
also, what is the actual problem? i kind of got confused, as you first spoke about your friends, then about gaming platforms...
maybe all of you should check your priorities. if person A gets mad at person B because of some luxury item to be used for fun in their free time, i'd say something's *kind of* wrong.
would you cut your ties because, let's say, you like blue t-shirts and they prefer red t-shirts?
come on man, we're talking about gaming (in case of the xbone: more-or-less gaming) consoles here... just buy whatever you prefer, let them get their useless xbones, and everybody's happy.
also, what is the actual problem? i kind of got confused, as you first spoke about your friends, then about gaming platforms...
I am in a similar boat, except I am not really trying to convince them otherwise. They are grown adults, and if they want to buy one then it is none of my business, I am not going to preach at them what to spend their money on.
It's a shame, as it means I won't really have anybody to play multplayer games with that I know, but I'm not going to spend money on a product I really don't want, and they are pretty dead set on getting it, and that's up to them.
Such is life.
It's a shame, as it means I won't really have anybody to play multplayer games with that I know, but I'm not going to spend money on a product I really don't want, and they are pretty dead set on getting it, and that's up to them.
Such is life.
Stick with Steam for a year or so. If either option seems appealing after then, then go with whatever, just don't buy something because your "friends" want you to.
Principles are always better than friends.
If you share the same principles, it's cool.
If not, you make peace with that fact.
Don't do what they say if they disagree, and don't force them to do what you say if they disagree.
It's simple, and you'll probably still have friends if they are worth time. If not, and just not having the same system was enough to "ruin it", I'd suggest getting better friends.
Me and my friends main PC and make fun of consoles all the time.
We all recognize that the Xbone is a failure. One of our other friends likes it, but we don't belittle him for it nor do we try to actively change his mind. We still talk and are still friends, despite not sharing the same views. My hope is that eventually he'll see the light and be like "oh damn".
Amazing, eh?
But then again, I'm not one that is easily swayed by what others think. "Mob thinking".
I make my own damn decisions, and don't care too much if others make the wrong ones.
Just so long as my money isn't being wasted...
If you share the same principles, it's cool.
If not, you make peace with that fact.
Don't do what they say if they disagree, and don't force them to do what you say if they disagree.
It's simple, and you'll probably still have friends if they are worth time. If not, and just not having the same system was enough to "ruin it", I'd suggest getting better friends.
Me and my friends main PC and make fun of consoles all the time.
We all recognize that the Xbone is a failure. One of our other friends likes it, but we don't belittle him for it nor do we try to actively change his mind. We still talk and are still friends, despite not sharing the same views. My hope is that eventually he'll see the light and be like "oh damn".
Amazing, eh?
But then again, I'm not one that is easily swayed by what others think. "Mob thinking".
I make my own damn decisions, and don't care too much if others make the wrong ones.
Just so long as my money isn't being wasted...
If your friends aren't listening to you, then there's no need for you to listen to them if they tell you to buy an Xbox1. I know you wanna play games with your friends, but ask yourself this; Are you really gonna spend 500 dollars on something you don't want just for your friends' sake?
You buy want you want and they'll buy what they want. And if that's means not being able to play games together than that's a small price to pay compared to 500 bucks. End of story.
You buy want you want and they'll buy what they want. And if that's means not being able to play games together than that's a small price to pay compared to 500 bucks. End of story.
Can you connect to the internet once every 24hrs?
When you can't is it due to a blackout that would render gaming impossible anyway, or a natural event/disaster that would take precedence over gaming?
Do you rely on the discounts/money made by buying/trading used games in order to fund your gaming?
If you answered yes, yes and no then you're cleared for purchase.
There's nothing anti consumerist about the XBone they've been open about what their console does and that gives consumers the same freedom they always have, the freedom to choose.
If Microsoft bought out everyone else and forced all their DRM on people, that would be anti-consumerist.
If they put all this DRM in their console and weren't open about it, that would be anti-consumerist.
There are people for whom Microsoft's console will be everything they want it to be, and there are those for whom it is a bad choice. For the second group there are other options.
So for you, its a matter of first answering the questions above and then asking yourself what's more important. Playing games with your friends? Or buying the console you'd prefer (for whatever reasons you find valid).
And before anyone accuses me of fellating Microsoft or being indoctrinated or even being paid by them, since that seems to be a trend round these parts.
I have never owned a Microsoft console.
Of the 3 new consoles, WiiU will most likely be my next (first) and possibly only purchase (though some of the Sony exclusives are looking good).
I fucking hate Microsoft for not porting Fable 2 to PC (I assume it was their fault). Who the fuck breaks a trilogy up like that FFS.
When you can't is it due to a blackout that would render gaming impossible anyway, or a natural event/disaster that would take precedence over gaming?
Do you rely on the discounts/money made by buying/trading used games in order to fund your gaming?
If you answered yes, yes and no then you're cleared for purchase.
There's nothing anti consumerist about the XBone they've been open about what their console does and that gives consumers the same freedom they always have, the freedom to choose.
If Microsoft bought out everyone else and forced all their DRM on people, that would be anti-consumerist.
If they put all this DRM in their console and weren't open about it, that would be anti-consumerist.
There are people for whom Microsoft's console will be everything they want it to be, and there are those for whom it is a bad choice. For the second group there are other options.
So for you, its a matter of first answering the questions above and then asking yourself what's more important. Playing games with your friends? Or buying the console you'd prefer (for whatever reasons you find valid).
And before anyone accuses me of fellating Microsoft or being indoctrinated or even being paid by them, since that seems to be a trend round these parts.
I have never owned a Microsoft console.
Of the 3 new consoles, WiiU will most likely be my next (first) and possibly only purchase (though some of the Sony exclusives are looking good).
I fucking hate Microsoft for not porting Fable 2 to PC (I assume it was their fault). Who the fuck breaks a trilogy up like that FFS.
I had the same problem with ps3 vs Xbox 360, ie friends on one system, me on another. Ultimately it didn't matter though, I just hung out with them in real life and enjoyed the exclusives of my console (did have both but two 360s died on me, didn't get another one after that.
My rule of thumb is that they should see both press conferences and make up their own mind. The PS4 won as far as anyone at E3 is concerned and after seeing the press conference I've even signed up for PS+. Sony didn't just win by features, they literally pummeled Microsofts Xbox division on stage by demonstrating they understand the concerns of the consumers. Also, get a list of what games are exclusive on both systems because the conferences aren't showing just console exclusive titles. Games like TitanFall, Battlefield 4, Final Fantasy XV, etc, are not console exclusive.
Not many of my friends still game I suppose 2 of them do alot and a fair few more semi regularly most play the 360 and those 2 along with myself have all 3 wii/360/PS3 but they play primarily on the 360 while I changed a few years ago to the PS3 for my primary gaming needs (free online).
Those 2 have both had 4 360s now thanks to the RROD and they still persist actually I dont know anyone who hasnt had a RROD. I fully believe these two will still get the Xbone and I dont care they are still my friends although when I asked them about it they couldnt name a single plus feature of the Xbox One its was all ah well it dosent affect me crap so basically `I will put up with it` which I found pretty poor and they agreed.
As for a few of my other friends we have talked about the Xbone and PS4 and they know how I feel about the Xbox One and I fully believe they will not purchase one either although like me that dosent mean they will purchase a PS4/WiiU either.
My friends can ultimately do what they want I am not going to disown them because of their horrible purchasing decisions but I will still debate with them on their reasons for buying the Xbox One if they do buy it. Last time we talked about it they could not find anything to say in its defense, they may be fan boys of it but they are not stupid enough to believe that its the superior console.
Those 2 have both had 4 360s now thanks to the RROD and they still persist actually I dont know anyone who hasnt had a RROD. I fully believe these two will still get the Xbone and I dont care they are still my friends although when I asked them about it they couldnt name a single plus feature of the Xbox One its was all ah well it dosent affect me crap so basically `I will put up with it` which I found pretty poor and they agreed.
As for a few of my other friends we have talked about the Xbone and PS4 and they know how I feel about the Xbox One and I fully believe they will not purchase one either although like me that dosent mean they will purchase a PS4/WiiU either.
My friends can ultimately do what they want I am not going to disown them because of their horrible purchasing decisions but I will still debate with them on their reasons for buying the Xbox One if they do buy it. Last time we talked about it they could not find anything to say in its defense, they may be fan boys of it but they are not stupid enough to believe that its the superior console.
Why are you trying to convince them? Honestly, who cares what they think? If they won't listen to reason then fuck them. Let them buy an XBone, you buy what you want, and when they complain about all of the stupid bullshit they have to deal with on their system, point out that that's not an issue for you. They'll either figure it out when they blew their money on a shitty system or they'll continue to be ignorant. Either way, you'll have a system that doesn't completely suck.
Look mate it's just consoles. Get a PS4 if that's what you want. There's no complicated business in that decision. They do what they want, you do what you want. If they stop being your friends over something so stupid as an object with a logo on it, then bad news mate, you never had friends to begin with. If not, then there's nothing to stress about. Hell, I tried convincing my best friend to get a PS3 and recently (yeah he took his time to buy one) he decided to get a 360. I wasn't mad at him and he wasn't mad at me for always buying the Sony brand. It's just a thing that sits in your bedroom/living room/kitchen/bathroom/wahteveroom.
Had the same sort of argument back last gen when I built a PC stronger that the ps3 for less money than the ps3 at launch. They wouldn't believe my PC was objectively more powerful. Instead of trying to convince them or telling them I don't want to be friends because they don't share my ideals I just quit talking about that. Just because you disagree on something doesn't mean the end of a friendship. All my friends loved COD, I didn't, we still had great times. I liked rock music, not all my friends did, we still had great times. Your friends don't have to think what you think to be your friends.
Yeah, this. Some of the comments here are a bit alarming.9thRequiem said:
Anyway. As someone above mentioned, asking a bunch of strangers on the internet isn't really gonna help, because we don't know your friends or what they're like. If I had to guess, I'd probably say they were casual gamers and don't care about DRM or whatever. If that's the case, trying to rally them to your noble crusade against evil is pointless.
I remember as a kid (although, these were the days before online multiplayer on consoles) we would actually encourage each other to buy different consoles and games, so we'd only have to visit each other instead of having to buy everything. I wish it all just stayed as simple as that.
If you can't convince them that it's a superior console, maybe your argument that it's a superior console doesn't actually hold true for them.