Whenever someone uses the word "fuck" in a fantasy game/movie/book, nothing is worse for breaking immersion.
Immersion breakers
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My biggest immersion killer is when a character in a game will tell you something along the lines of, "A allows you to jump." It just makes me think, this is a game, no, no you do not say that in real life.
Worse than that, is when objects go through other objects in a game, completely kills the immersion for me.
Worse than that, is when objects go through other objects in a game, completely kills the immersion for me.
It's a nice idea, but this kind of thing works both ways. These cunning traders, always out to get the best deal, will quite happily buy thousands upon thousands of Septims worth of total junk from me. I can go in there with 600 1 Septim arrows and they'll snap them up just as willingly as they buy magic swords and rings of power.Chipperz said:
If these guys were always out for the best bargain with the highest return, they wouldn't be quite so pleased about filling their inventory (and emptying their purses) on worthless crap that nobody will ever buy because it mostly just lies around on the floor.
Hm...I always had an opposing viewpoint on seeing your hands and feet.
See, my understanding is that in real life, you don't "notice" your legs. You feel them through your muscles inherently, so it's never any surprise that they're there. When you see them in a video game, it doesn't seem to add anything; you don't need to be reminded that you have feet. In real life, I look down because I want to see what's below me. In a game like HL2, that's what you see.
Immersion for me comes more from a sense of agency; I do, and it happens. Ironically, it breaks so often in those first-person non-interactive cutscenes that games are so obsessed with.
See, my understanding is that in real life, you don't "notice" your legs. You feel them through your muscles inherently, so it's never any surprise that they're there. When you see them in a video game, it doesn't seem to add anything; you don't need to be reminded that you have feet. In real life, I look down because I want to see what's below me. In a game like HL2, that's what you see.
Immersion for me comes more from a sense of agency; I do, and it happens. Ironically, it breaks so often in those first-person non-interactive cutscenes that games are so obsessed with.
"I was in a videogame. Funny as hell, it was the most horrible thing I could think of."
-Max Payne
That is all.
-Max Payne
That is all.
Maybe it's just me, but every time I see my own feet in a video game I try to shoot them, or swing a sword at my own legs, and it never has any effect. Even if I am an insane masochist, that kind of thing always reminds me that I'm just playing a game; I should be able to blow my own bloody feet off if I want to, and to hell with the consequences!Katana314 said:
I think that the mission complete screens were really handy. And they look like Cerberus reports which is pretty immersive. And it's a much better system than having to add up all your crap after a mission. Plain and simple it says: "You got this, this and this happened."Machines said:
It actually makes sense. The car is (barely) hidden from the combine and is nothing more than an engine with some wheels. It does have a poorly explained use. What were the rebels going to do with it? They can't use it to attack the combine since the whole area would have been filled with rollermines and striders.Hazy said:
What ruins my Suspension of Disbelief(fuck immersion, this is more important) is 'realistic' graphics with everything clipping through other objects, getting stuck behind invisible walls, physically impossible actions, wrong physics and poor (voice)acting.
The difference between immersion and SoD is that the former depends on the latter. While you might not be fully immersed in a metal gear solid game, you can still accept that the world stops when you use the codec.
I think you may have misunderstood me - Mr. Freeman's limbs are not visible while driving the car.Flour said:
Ergo, the car essentially drives itself.
I could care less what it's purpose was, but until I see some arms on that steering wheel, that shit is a ghost car.
This this this. I swear, half the reason I like The Darkness so much is because when I look down I can see Jackie's body and his feet as well as his hands. It just really helped the immersion some amount when it looked like there was an actual body there as opposed to a floating gun.Irridium said:
It's even weirder in games where you have the hands, but still no feet, like in Bioshock. It's like the guy is a double amputee with hover attachments where his legs used to be.
The whole 'animation not catching up to the speed' is another thing that got me in Bioshock. Not the animation though, but the sound. I don't know if it was just a glitch or if I got something wrong but it seemed like the guy could go full metres without putting his foot down.Layz92 said:
The whole sideways crab slide is why I never play in third person view in Oblivion. It just looked... weird.
I agree. For a game that's so reliant on immersion it did throw in a lot of stuff that flings you out of the game. My favorite part was when Weynon Priory was atacked and the NPC ran to tell me about it and we had a mildly long conversation while the enemy was chasing him! But it's ok, because the enemy respectfully stood completely frozen in the background when I talked to the NPC.
"Now Mister Freeman let me introduce you to Kitt.Hazy said:I think you may have misunderstood me - Mr. Freeman's limbs are not visible while driving the car.Flour said:
Ergo, the car essentially drives itself.
Well I see it the other way, there are worse things than seeing no feet, like looking down and seeing feet that just don't move right.Irridium said:
See the standard FPS controls it is easy to get the camera to move around smoothly and naturally as if it were a real point-of-view. But trying to stick a body underneath that that moves properly has been notoriously difficult in the past, the legs can seem to just skitter around like a zombie moon-walking on ice.
I'd rather see no feet than feet that can't interact well with the ground.
This isn't a problem with 3rd person games as the camera is not fixed to wherever the head is, but can just hover behind the avatar.
OT: I personally don't like systems with an UNNECESSARILY SIMPLE limited inventory system, classic one is Resident evil where a tiny key takes up the same inventory slot as a gigantic 4-barrel rocket launcher!
Resident Evil 4 had it better with a square-based system. At least that has some flexibility though it was quite illogical as weight didn't seem to be any limit at all. Annoyed that Resi 5 abandoned it.
Another minor pet peeve I have is say I have a shotgun and completely out of ammo, I pick up an ammo crate which recovers 100% of my ammo capacity... only it doesn't because once I have reloaded the 6 shells into my shotgun i now have max-capacity minus-6-shells.
A few games do it right, so say your max-ammo store is 30 shells plus 6 in the shotgun right? Picking up a max-ammo crate brings your ammo store to 30+6.
So really the maximum ammo I can carry should not merely be "30 shells outside the gun" but rather "absolute total of 36 shells, either 36 in store and none in gun, ranging to 30 in store and 6 in the gun"
Admittedly this is more annoying for a game with fewer round of ammunition like a rocket launcher where you have only 20 rockets in-store but 4 in your gun, that's 20% of your maximum capacity of rockets lost if you pick up a 100% ammo crate with an empty gun!
Stairs.
Why in the name of God can't someone program an animation for climbing stairs in which a persons feet actually contact the stairs in a normal manner.
Total immersion killer when you're in 3rd person and the characters' feet can seemingly find purchase in the gaps between steps just as well as the actual steps themselves. (see any FPS or Oblivion for examples..)
Why in the name of God can't someone program an animation for climbing stairs in which a persons feet actually contact the stairs in a normal manner.
Total immersion killer when you're in 3rd person and the characters' feet can seemingly find purchase in the gaps between steps just as well as the actual steps themselves. (see any FPS or Oblivion for examples..)