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Yeah, that's the one thing everyone seems to forget, if there are any problems with immortality you'd have an eternity to fix them. In fact, there's a Cracked article (http://www.cracked.com/article_18708_5-reasons-immortality-would-be-worse-than-death.html) that lists a few of these problems, I personally would have them all solved within a millenia tops.Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
The only real factor in how a person would handle immortality of any sort is how much will to live they have. If someone can barely stand living now, how could they stand it forever? However, if they have a limitless will to live then they wouldn't have any problems whatsoever.
To an extent, sure.immortalfrieza said:
Just without the whole getting-stuck-in-a-cave-for-3-days thing, but the walking on water but would be pretty cool.
actually, if your friends are immortal with you, they can tell you to invent immortality/time travel so that you go back and give them immortality. paradox avertedFrozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
While I see your point, I would argue life and death are slightly different. One of the distinguishing features of a living organism in biological study is that it is capable of dying. If something cannot die, it is not a living organism. Eating in its definition does not require hunger and sex does not require desire in its definition.Tanakh said:
Nah, No Paradox there. Once you go back and change history, a new time line is created. You won't have to create the immortality potion and time travel, but it won't change what would now be the past of you already doing it. The Back to the Future series explained that nicely.Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
On topic: I'd love to be immortal. Of course, I fully realize that eventually that means I'll end up floating around in space without any ship or suit. Get pulled into a star or 12 and spend countless years waiting for that star to explode. May even get pulled into a black hole. A lot of that sucks. I still would love it.
Depends on the rules of immortality. If it's highlander style immortality or true immortality? IF it's Highlander immortality then yes i absolutely would want that, if its true immortality where nothing can kill you or for simplicity, harm you then no.
Highlander I can keep living until someone cuts off my head, so if i get really bored of it all then I'd just find a guillotine.
If it's true immortality you have so many problems. OH WAIT CRACKED DID A ARTICLE ON JUST THAT.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18708_5-reasons-immortality-would-be-worse-than-death.html
Highlander I can keep living until someone cuts off my head, so if i get really bored of it all then I'd just find a guillotine.
If it's true immortality you have so many problems. OH WAIT CRACKED DID A ARTICLE ON JUST THAT.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18708_5-reasons-immortality-would-be-worse-than-death.html
There are several problems with this:StargateSpankyHam said:
- No, won't, if you mean that by 2029 you might be able to do a neural network in a supercomputer with the same amount of nodes as a human brain has neurons? Probably, but that would be like saying a car made of cardboard is an intricate as a last generation porsche.
- Copy what mate? Copy what? Again the topology? Let me ask you this, if you build a skyscraper in the middle of NY and if you do it in the sahara desert, would it do the same? The brain is much more that a connection of neurons, the difference between those, the chemistry, the input and output strata, all of that matters. What you want and might be possible soon is akin to take a bunch of cultivated organs, sewing them together and expect the result to be a "human".
Is immortality a gift? Yes it can be, but i follow the Alucard Philosophy: You can't just take it, you need to fucking earn it.
Why do i say that? Imagine that annoying dumbass who has done nothing with his life, gets handed everything on a plate and basically does fuck all..would you really want him to have immortality or that smart, humble and hard-working woman who came from nothing and had to work to get absolutely everything they ever had? I know who i would grant immortality to in that case. Plus, it makes sure all those bastards from your Westboro baptist church leaders through to your rapists don't have the capacity to keep going forever without consequence.
So basically, yeah no problems with immortality...but i know i wouldn't want to see it given to the wrong person.
Why do i say that? Imagine that annoying dumbass who has done nothing with his life, gets handed everything on a plate and basically does fuck all..would you really want him to have immortality or that smart, humble and hard-working woman who came from nothing and had to work to get absolutely everything they ever had? I know who i would grant immortality to in that case. Plus, it makes sure all those bastards from your Westboro baptist church leaders through to your rapists don't have the capacity to keep going forever without consequence.
So basically, yeah no problems with immortality...but i know i wouldn't want to see it given to the wrong person.
Well, I think I'd choose to be immortal. For several reasons: A.) I don't want to die, I'm a nihilist and I think that dying is the ultimate punishment ever because you utterly cease to exist. B.) I can accept everyone dying, because I'm going to outlive everyone that I care about anyways, so why not go for eternity. C.) I'd like to live to see the future. This "Present" thing seems like we're one evil conspiracy away from the plot of Human Revolution and I'd like to see that end and become something else.
Oh it's great for a few hundred years, maybe even entertaining to see humanity develop over thousands of years or watch the course of evolution over millions of years, but eternity is a long fucking time. What would you do after 150 million years when the Earth is absorbed by our dying sun? What about the eventual decay of your galaxy. The Universe is approximately 14 billion years old, and with eternity stretched out before you you could possibly exist much longer than that. This universe will eventually die, but you wouldn't. Imagine the whole stretch of time itself, alone. No stars, no matter, no energy, just you. Alone. Forever. Huh, kinda morbid. Okay, a long healthy life is great, say about 300 to 400 years, would be great, but living forever brings some serious considerations.
People always approach this question with their currently perception of time which would change if you were immortal. But the biggest one is whats the difference between dieing and being eternally trapped somewhere. Both are endless non-existance because being trapped like that without dieing means you would eventually either just sleep or space out till time itself helped you back out into a stimulating enough enviroment to return your consciousness.
I've spent innumerous amount of time doing nothing for extended periods of time (Mostly roadtrips) and I can pass an one to fifteen hours in what feels like a couple of seconds. Time would become alot less relevant after a millenia or two.
I've spent innumerous amount of time doing nothing for extended periods of time (Mostly roadtrips) and I can pass an one to fifteen hours in what feels like a couple of seconds. Time would become alot less relevant after a millenia or two.
I think this is a bit irrelevant tbh. If this is actually eternal life that we're talking about then people would lose there petty hangups like that. After you've brought planets to ruin simply but outlasting then you would stop caring about picketing soldiers funerals.Infernai said:
immortality is terrifying. The idea of living forever, with no end, is absolutely terrifying. I used to have constant panic attacks from the prospect of forever. I literally had to shut off that part of my brain to keep myself from having a nervous breakdown (no hyperbole here). That being said, I can't think or talk about it too much. Truly staring down the barrel of eternity, though, a barrel with NO end (the concept of which most humans can't grasp because their brain has unconscious safeguards in place). Well, it's enough to destroy you.
also, there is technically a being which has no definite limit to its lifespan
Under the right conditions, Turritopsis nutricula is potentially immortal. Just an interesting tid-bit.
also, there is technically a being which has no definite limit to its lifespan
Under the right conditions, Turritopsis nutricula is potentially immortal. Just an interesting tid-bit.
This definition irks me for two reasons, it's recursive, so life it's defined by death and death by life (that is the sign of a shitty definition in logic). The second is that virus are freaking alive, "borderline life forms" is crap, sure, they do need a host to function, but we need far more, food, a very specific atmosphere, gravity, air pressure (but not too much or too little), and why do stuff like Conways game isn't even in the discussion for biologists? <youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcuBvj0pw-E>Loner Jo Jo said:
When we manage to make a self replicator machine biologist will have a lot of explaining to do
didn't read others' posts, so if this was already said forgive me.
One day the earth will be swallowed by the sun. Long story short, do you trust mankind to escape earth before that happens? I mean... theoretically, if hell is eternal fire, then getting sucked into a sun is pretty similar. Though who knows, maybe waiting until it explodes may send you somewhere else interesting. Or just floating in space forever.....
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Or just into another sun.
One day the earth will be swallowed by the sun. Long story short, do you trust mankind to escape earth before that happens? I mean... theoretically, if hell is eternal fire, then getting sucked into a sun is pretty similar. Though who knows, maybe waiting until it explodes may send you somewhere else interesting. Or just floating in space forever.....
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Or just into another sun.
Here's the thing about being unable to die: it says nothing about your ability to be in a coma, etc, or if various parts of you can be swapped out for other parts. Simply make my brain able to be put permanently into sleep mode when/if I ever get sick of being forever conscious.