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EclipseoftheDarkSun

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SL33TBL1ND said:
370999 said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
370999 said:
This isn't anyone's fault, it's how society has just turned out. But it's true. Now I'm not a feminist, but there it is...
Why aren't you a feminist? Feminism is believing that women should be given the same rights and opportunities as men. How can any modern thinking person not be a feminist?
The fact that women are disadvantaged is self-evident. Interest in that subject matter is not something I can easily sum up. In short I find it grubby and boring, and don't really care. That's why I'm not a feminist.
Then you misunderstood what a feminist is. Are you for women having the same rights as men? If yes, you are a feminist. It doesn't matter whether you do anything about it or are enthusiastic on the subject.

I don't do anything about it, or read up on it or anything like that. I'm still for people having equal rights.
I presume she's mixing up feminazi and feminist.
 

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EclipseoftheDarkSun said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
370999 said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
370999 said:
This isn't anyone's fault, it's how society has just turned out. But it's true. Now I'm not a feminist, but there it is...
Why aren't you a feminist? Feminism is believing that women should be given the same rights and opportunities as men. How can any modern thinking person not be a feminist?
The fact that women are disadvantaged is self-evident. Interest in that subject matter is not something I can easily sum up. In short I find it grubby and boring, and don't really care. That's why I'm not a feminist.
Then you misunderstood what a feminist is. Are you for women having the same rights as men? If yes, you are a feminist. It doesn't matter whether you do anything about it or are enthusiastic on the subject.

I don't do anything about it, or read up on it or anything like that. I'm still for people having equal rights.
I presume she's mixing up feminazi and feminist.
I'm a boy!

And I;m disagreeing with him on wherever it means advocate or simply believer of a certain idea.
 

Aprilgold

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Vault101 said:
to be honest? its not the thing that most concerns me when you have "women and agmes" in the same sentence

the problem is within the rest of our culture
Yeah, there ya go.

The issue with culture, sexual appeal and woman when it comes to said sexual appeal is that our culture is shy around sex and sexual appeal, so when a society is less open with it then creators will have a urge to build a sexual appeal that will sell and most people are sexually attracted to women.

Consider it marketing ploy, consider it Men making Women sexy looking for fapping material but its honestly just for easier money.
 

SL33TBL1ND

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370999 said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
370999 said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
370999 said:
This isn't anyone's fault, it's how society has just turned out. But it's true. Now I'm not a feminist, but there it is...
Why aren't you a feminist? Feminism is believing that women should be given the same rights and opportunities as men. How can any modern thinking person not be a feminist?
The fact that women are disadvantaged is self-evident. Interest in that subject matter is not something I can easily sum up. In short I find it grubby and boring, and don't really care. That's why I'm not a feminist.
Then you misunderstood what a feminist is. Are you for women having the same rights as men? If yes, you are a feminist. It doesn't matter whether you do anything about it or are enthusiastic on the subject.

I don't do anything about it, or read up on it or anything like that. I'm still for people having equal rights.
For the sake of argument I looked up a couple of definitions. Emphasis mine

advocating social, political, legal, and economic rights for women equal to those of men.
an advocate of such rights.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/feminist

: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
: organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feminism

the belief that women should be allowed the same rights, power and opportunities as men and be treated in the same way, or the set of activities intended to achieve this stat
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/feminism


So I do believe that is 2:1 to me.
I think you'll find that what most people mean when they say they're a feminist is that they're behind women getting equal rights, not that they necessarily go out and act on that.
 

EclipseoftheDarkSun

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I'm a boy!

And I;m disagreeing with him on wherever it means advocate or simply believer of a certain idea.
My bad - I jumped to conclusions based on your avatar. Anyway, who cares about the definition exactly.. semantics can be quite boring.. I support the feminist ideal (not the feminazi ideal), but I don't go out and do demonstrations for anything, including feminism.
 

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Muspelheim said:
Also, this is fairly topical:

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/310/867/14b.jpg
Strangely, apart from the Hulk, I couldn't tell much of a difference. That's just me though.

On topic though, I'm certain women seen in gaming back in the 90's were just as thin. Reiko from Ridge Racer, the women in Virtua Fighter, etc. I don't think their physic has changed too much, but more what they're wearing.
 

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SL33TBL1ND said:
370999 said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
370999 said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
370999 said:
This isn't anyone's fault, it's how society has just turned out. But it's true. Now I'm not a feminist, but there it is...
Why aren't you a feminist? Feminism is believing that women should be given the same rights and opportunities as men. How can any modern thinking person not be a feminist?
The fact that women are disadvantaged is self-evident. Interest in that subject matter is not something I can easily sum up. In short I find it grubby and boring, and don't really care. That's why I'm not a feminist.
Then you misunderstood what a feminist is. Are you for women having the same rights as men? If yes, you are a feminist. It doesn't matter whether you do anything about it or are enthusiastic on the subject.

I don't do anything about it, or read up on it or anything like that. I'm still for people having equal rights.
For the sake of argument I looked up a couple of definitions. Emphasis mine

advocating social, political, legal, and economic rights for women equal to those of men.
an advocate of such rights.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/feminist

: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
: organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feminism

the belief that women should be allowed the same rights, power and opportunities as men and be treated in the same way, or the set of activities intended to achieve this stat
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/feminism


So I do believe that is 2:1 to me.
I think you'll find that what most people mean when they say they're a feminist is that they're behind women getting equal rights, not that they necessarily go out and act on that.
I haven't. I'm not saying your wrong but the colloquial use I've grown up means advocate. Which I'm not. Agree to disagree?

EclipseoftheDarkSun said:
370999 said:
I'm a boy!

And I;m disagreeing with him on wherever it means advocate or simply believer of a certain idea.
My bad. Anyway, who cares about the definition exactly.. semantics can be quite boring..
I do!
 

EclipseoftheDarkSun

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Terramax said:
Muspelheim said:
Also, this is fairly topical:

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/310/867/14b.jpg
Strangely, apart from the Hulk, I couldn't tell much of a difference. That's just me though.

On topic though, I'm certain women seen in gaming back in the 90's were just as thin. Reiko from Ridge Racer, the women in Virtua Fighter, etc. I don't think their physic has changed too much, but more what they're wearing.
Well, there was one or two genuine Avenger posters (from google images) that showed her side-on, but most didn't have an exaggerated sexual pose. So, I think that distorted reality a bit there.
 

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EclipseoftheDarkSun said:
I support the feminist ideal (not the feminazi ideal)
Well, that works out pretty well, since feminism exists and "feminazism" is a product of Rush Limbaugh's fevered imagination.
 

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Kahunaburger said:
EclipseoftheDarkSun said:
I support the feminist ideal (not the feminazi ideal)
Well, that works out pretty well, since feminism exists and "feminazism" is a product of Rush Limbaugh's fevered imagination.
Oh, thank God, because 'feminazis' would basically be female equivalents of Rush Limbaugh and his ilk.. ie idiots creating fictional problems that distract us from real ones.
 

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370999 said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
370999 said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
370999 said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
370999 said:
This isn't anyone's fault, it's how society has just turned out. But it's true. Now I'm not a feminist, but there it is...
Why aren't you a feminist? Feminism is believing that women should be given the same rights and opportunities as men. How can any modern thinking person not be a feminist?
The fact that women are disadvantaged is self-evident. Interest in that subject matter is not something I can easily sum up. In short I find it grubby and boring, and don't really care. That's why I'm not a feminist.
Then you misunderstood what a feminist is. Are you for women having the same rights as men? If yes, you are a feminist. It doesn't matter whether you do anything about it or are enthusiastic on the subject.

I don't do anything about it, or read up on it or anything like that. I'm still for people having equal rights.
For the sake of argument I looked up a couple of definitions. Emphasis mine

advocating social, political, legal, and economic rights for women equal to those of men.
an advocate of such rights.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/feminist

: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
: organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feminism

the belief that women should be allowed the same rights, power and opportunities as men and be treated in the same way, or the set of activities intended to achieve this stat
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/feminism


So I do believe that is 2:1 to me.
I think you'll find that what most people mean when they say they're a feminist is that they're behind women getting equal rights, not that they necessarily go out and act on that.
I haven't. I'm not saying your wrong but the colloquial use I've grown up means advocate. Which I'm not. Agree to disagree?
Sure. Nice talking to you.
 

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Zhukov said:
Well... yeah. Don't fictional characters usually conform to ideals of physical appearance?

You'll notice that most guys in video games are tall and muscular.

That said, it would be cool to see some more chunky and/or chubby characters in games, if only for the sake of variety.
Pretty much this the only difference is women tend to care more about their appearance than men so that is why you hear much more complaining from women. Also what I tend to find is that the women complaining are normally the ones that have had kids and then spent 10 years sat on the sofa and wonder why they are no longer attractive so they try to bring down women that are more attractive.
 

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I find this woman to be the most attractive person to ever appear in a video game!
URGH!

I was brushing my teeth and I just swallowed and immediately gagged back up toothpaste. I've just been internally rinsed and I still feel dirty after that image.

OT: I have forgotten everything I was going to say about this topic, except that this is an obvious point that I thought we'd established a while ago. Let's either sexualise the hell out of both men and women, or don't at all. Either is fine.

I'm going to go lie down now...

getoffmycloud said:
Zhukov said:
Well... yeah. Don't fictional characters usually conform to ideals of physical appearance?

You'll notice that most guys in video games are tall and muscular.

That said, it would be cool to see some more chunky and/or chubby characters in games, if only for the sake of variety.
Pretty much this the only difference is women tend to care more about their appearance than men so that is why you hear much more complaining from women. Also what I tend to find is that the women complaining are normally the ones that have had kids and then spent 10 years sat on the sofa and wonder why they are no longer attractive so they try to bring down women that are more attractive.
Woah! Never mind, this brought me back to my point.

You're saying that a male protagonist in games being tall and muscular is the same as practically all female characters in all games being thin, busty, and sexualised to fuck and back?

Men don't have to be attractive in most games to be a part, while with women that appears to be the minimum requirement. Honest, go find me a popular mainstream game where the female main character is unattractive and she isn't a joke.

Your view is quite revoltingly insulting, by the way. It's not just women who have a problem with overly sexualised female characters - as a guy I personally find the whole thing patronising as hell.
 

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Aprilgold said:
Vault101 said:
to be honest? its not the thing that most concerns me when you have "women and agmes" in the same sentence

the problem is within the rest of our culture
Yeah, there ya go.

The issue with culture, sexual appeal and woman when it comes to said sexual appeal is that our culture is shy around sex and sexual appeal, so when a society is less open with it then creators will have a urge to build a sexual appeal that will sell and most people are sexually attracted to women.

Consider it marketing ploy, consider it Men making Women sexy looking for fapping material but its honestly just for easier money.
who the hack faps to their-....

actually that was a stupid question...moving on...
 

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Vault101 said:
Aprilgold said:
Vault101 said:
to be honest? its not the thing that most concerns me when you have "women and agmes" in the same sentence

the problem is within the rest of our culture
Yeah, there ya go.

The issue with culture, sexual appeal and woman when it comes to said sexual appeal is that our culture is shy around sex and sexual appeal, so when a society is less open with it then creators will have a urge to build a sexual appeal that will sell and most people are sexually attracted to women.

Consider it marketing ploy, consider it Men making Women sexy looking for fapping material but its honestly just for easier money.
who the hack faps to their-....

actually that was a stupid question...moving on...
Have you seen Final Fantasy lately. At least one dude has masturbated to one of those rabbit chicks.
 

Vault101

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getoffmycloud said:
Zhukov said:
Well... yeah. Don't fictional characters usually conform to ideals of physical appearance?

You'll notice that most guys in video games are tall and muscular.

That said, it would be cool to see some more chunky and/or chubby characters in games, if only for the sake of variety.
Pretty much this the only difference is women tend to care more about their appearance than men so that is why you hear much more complaining from women. Also what I tend to find is that the women complaining are normally the ones that have had kids and then spent 10 years sat on the sofa and wonder why they are no longer attractive so they try to bring down women that are more attractive.
I think there is a line that needs to be drawn

I don't agree with the attitude "aww well that's just fiction for ya right?" because its something of a defeatist attitude

there's a difference between being attractive and being a blatant sex object (a needless sex object)

I've been playing Uncharted 1/2 and it makes me think of Elana, she's attractive, but she's also believable in the cloths she wears and her general appearance, or even Chloe (I think its Chloe) whos more of a "sexy" character is also somewhat belavable

or Ellie from Dead Space 2, Zoe from left 4 dead..most of the females in Fallout NV (provided you don't dress them up in sexy PJ's)....the up coming Tomb Raider (just going buy what I've seen so far)

Mass effect is both guilty of the good and bad, I mean I like a character Like Liara..and sure people like her sex apeal...however it annoys the crap out of me when I see a teeshirt or other merch that depicts her in a seductive pose because thats NOT her character (then again thats just a small nitpick)

on the opposite end....(hmm). any game I guess with the "bikini armour" problem, or where a charachter is scantily clad for no real reason...like at the start of "sabotour" theres this lady who is "suposed" to be some kind of natzi officer...except she literally (I mean literally here) looks like a natzi themed stripper...in fact ALOT of the female characters are scantiliy clad in ways you KNOW was not ok for the 40's.....and it seems to be trying to be somewhat straight in its setting (somewhat)

my point here is that there IS a difference...its kind of hard to explain but its there, like when you think of Batman... what's the first thing that pops into your head? is it his skin tight suit and those rippling muscles?...no, its his determination and pure "awesome" factor

now what's the first thing that comes to mind in regards to cat women?....see what I mean?

there's also the "pose" argument...

anyway..to be completely honest? its not actually the appearance that Im more concerned about...its female characters presence/role in the story