Industrial music, hard rock, metal...

[Arsen]

Rap and techno = bollocks.

How exactly do they take no skill? Because the artists can make great songs with only a weeks worth of experience?

Because it's computer made, and the first is made by a poorer class of American Society that believes America owes them something, hence they stole each and every sound they could, added a drum beat and lyics which are only relevant to their own ignorance, and thus decided to call it music.

There are no true visionaires, there are no true imaginations, there is no heart, no soul, no love, and above all... nothing about it which exemplifies the art which Beethovenm Bach, The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest...etc...etc...etc...have added to music as a whole.

/win

 

[Reaperman Wompa]

Rap and techno = bollocks.

How exactly do they take no skill? Because the artists can make great songs with only a weeks worth of experience?

Because it's computer made, and the first is made by a poorer class of American Society that believes America owes them something, hence they stole each and every sound they could, added a drum beat and lyics which are only relevant to their own ignorance, and thus decided to call it music.

There are no true visionaires, there are no true imaginations, there is no heart, no soul, no love, and above all... nothing about it which exemplifies the art which Beethovenm Bach, The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest...etc...etc...etc...have added to music as a whole.

/win

Not "/win". /opinion.

 

[jebussaves88]

I love SOAD, Korn, Metallica and the like, but I don't care for a lot of what you'd call Death Metal bands. I like some here and there, but there has to be something more to it than just an angry dude and his guitar wielding friends. Dark Tranquility are an example of a good death metal band (I call it death metal, but I'm sure it belongs in one of those other sub catagories of metal).

I think the reason that a lot of people who have heard death metal have found it to be equally as shallow as the "Hey Hey You You I don't like ur boyfriend" pop music of the day. A man screeching about pain and suffering isn't particularly deep. If they could hear better examples of the genre (and maybe be able to understand the words too) then more people might start to like it.

 

[GenHellspawn]

Because it's computer made

Find me a song by any reasonably popular artist that wasn't at least partially made with a computer.

There are no true visionaires, there are no true imaginations, there is no heart, no soul, no love, and above all... nothing about it which exemplifies the art which Beethovenm Bach, The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest...etc...etc...etc...have added to music as a whole.

What if I don't like those artists(well, JP is pretty cool, but other than that)? What if you're view on said music is totally ignorant (which I have to say, it really is)? What if somebody's opinion on what music is good *GASP* differs from yours? You have to take these things into account, you know.

 

[Puppeteer Putin]

Rap and techno = bollocks.

How exactly do they take no skill? Because the artists can make great songs with only a weeks worth of experience?

Not great songs, mediocre. It's my personal opinion, many think Heavy Metal is screamy-weamy BS that has no musical integrity. Fine, I accept that, some screamy stuff is bad, like SlipKnot (not to rock the boat or anything )

My problem with Rap and especially recent Hip-Hop is that any douche-bag with a mic that can do abab or ababb or any variation of rhyme, can go onto become a huge superstar not so much because of their musical ability but because they're pitched as attractive, "you-wish-you-were" kinds of people. These idiots don't write their own songs, the marketing execs do. Or some talented person is left to write mindless drivel for some pop-star who doesn't even bother to know what the songs about and does what they're told to do. Shake some ass, make some innuendo, and you're there. Example: PussyCat Dolls, 50 Cent, Brittany Spears, Atomic Kitten, Backstreet Boys, the list goes on.

Granted I LIKE some hip hop, especially the older stuff in the early 90's, and some Aussie hip-hop is excellent, getting to the core of what hip-hop WAS all about - talking about social issues and attempting to incite peace, still heavily embedded in it's funk heritage. It's just become a vehicle for profiteering. I know that argument could be made for any genre, but that's my personal bias.

/rant.

EDIT:

Rap and techno = bollocks.

How exactly do they take no skill? Because the artists can make great songs with only a weeks worth of experience?

Because it's computer made, and the first is made by a poorer class of American Society that believes America owes them something, hence they stole each and every sound they could, added a drum beat and lyics which are only relevant to their own ignorance, and thus decided to call it music.

There are no true visionaires, there are no true imaginations, there is no heart, no soul, no love, and above all... nothing about it which exemplifies the art which Beethovenm Bach, The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest...etc...etc...etc...have added to music as a whole.

/win

And sort of that. But yes, it is opinion, not fact. Those who set out to create Hip-Hop had visions, and it was a worthy cause, yes they stole samples etc but that was a clever use of the material.

I think this quite from Edgar Degas is rings especially true for any art:
"It is all very well to copy what one sees, but it is far better to draw what one now only sees in one's memory. That is a transformation in which imagination collaborates with memory."

 

[GenHellspawn]

My problem with Rap and especially recent Hip-Hop is that any douche-bag with a mic that can do abab or ababb or any variation of rhyme, can go onto become a huge superstar not so much because of their musical ability but because they're pitched as attractive, "you-wish-you-were" kinds of people. These idiots don't write their own songs, the marketing execs do. Or some talented person is left to write mindless drivel for some pop-star who doesn't even bother to know what the songs about and does what they're told to do. Shake some ass, make some innuendo, and you're there. Example: PussyCat Dolls, 50 Cent, Brittany Spears, Atomic Kitten, Backstreet Boys, the list goes on.

90% of everything is crap (Sturgeon's Law, I did not make that up). Like you said, most good rap is the stuff made before most of it became commercialized.

 

[Puppeteer Putin]

My problem with Rap and especially recent Hip-Hop is that any douche-bag with a mic that can do abab or ababb or any variation of rhyme, can go onto become a huge superstar not so much because of their musical ability but because they're pitched as attractive, "you-wish-you-were" kinds of people. These idiots don't write their own songs, the marketing execs do. Or some talented person is left to write mindless drivel for some pop-star who doesn't even bother to know what the songs about and does what they're told to do. Shake some ass, make some innuendo, and you're there. Example: PussyCat Dolls, 50 Cent, Brittany Spears, Atomic Kitten, Backstreet Boys, the list goes on.

90% of everything is crap (Sturgeon's Law, I did not make that up). Like you said, most good rap is the stuff made before most of it became commercialized.

Ahaha, brilliant! I like Sturgeon's Law.

Yes true, just a shame that you have to dig so deep for these great examples of genre.

 

[Arsen]

Rap and techno = bollocks.

How exactly do they take no skill? Because the artists can make great songs with only a weeks worth of experience?

Not great songs, mediocre. It's my personal opinion, many think Heavy Metal is screamy-weamy BS that has no musical integrity. Fine, I accept that, some screamy stuff is bad, like SlipKnot (not to rock the boat or anything )

My problem with Rap and especially recent Hip-Hop is that any douche-bag with a mic that can do abab or ababb or any variation of rhyme, can go onto become a huge superstar not so much because of their musical ability but because they're pitched as attractive, "you-wish-you-were" kinds of people. These idiots don't write their own songs, the marketing execs do. Or some talented person is left to write mindless drivel for some pop-star who doesn't even bother to know what the songs about and does what they're told to do. Shake some ass, make some innuendo, and you're there. Example: PussyCat Dolls, 50 Cent, Brittany Spears, Atomic Kitten, Backstreet Boys, the list goes on.

Granted I LIKE some hip hop, especially the older stuff in the early 90's, and some Aussie hip-hop is excellent, getting to the core of what hip-hop WAS all about - talking about social issues and attempting to incite peace, still heavily embedded in it's funk heritage. It's just become a vehicle for profiteering. I know that argument could be made for any genre, but that's my personal bias.

/rant.

EDIT:

Rap and techno = bollocks.

How exactly do they take no skill? Because the artists can make great songs with only a weeks worth of experience?

Because it's computer made, and the first is made by a poorer class of American Society that believes America owes them something, hence they stole each and every sound they could, added a drum beat and lyics which are only relevant to their own ignorance, and thus decided to call it music.

There are no true visionaires, there are no true imaginations, there is no heart, no soul, no love, and above all... nothing about it which exemplifies the art which Beethovenm Bach, The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest...etc...etc...etc...have added to music as a whole.

/win

And sort of that. But yes, it is opinion, not fact. Those who set out to create Hip-Hop had visions, and it was a worthy cause, yes they stole samples etc but that was a clever use of the material.

I think this quite from Edgar Degas is rings especially true for any art:
"It is all very well to copy what one sees, but it is far better to draw what one now only sees in one's memory. That is a transformation in which imagination collaborates with memory."

TO a degree, rap may be art, it does have a message, and I am not one to bash it...

However, there is a lack of humilty within that genre in terms of making their own sounds. Seriously, one can easily pick up an instrument, work to purchase one, practice it to gain an appreciation for the art, THEN decide to collage every piece of it.

Otherwise it is thievery. It is not "anyones" fault within society that the originators of this genre decided to mercilessly thieve from other artists. Most kids who listen to rap these days seem to be the type who are too unintelligent to understand real music. Just because it becomes a social acceptance does not mean it is acceptable.

Classical music is music.
Jazz is music.
Rock is music.
Metal is music.
Everything beyond that requires talent is music.

Rhyming, talking about the same endless subject without justification, and the notion to only climb higher in society...is NOT music.

Call it an opinion of mine, which it is, however I believe there is greater justification to this than the average child these days now wishes to claim.

Edit - Don't get me wrong though, I love the fact that it exists. It keeps the idiots away from MY music. It's like a bright bug zapper.

 

[GenHellspawn]

understand real music.

Do you even realize how ignorant that is? That everybody else listens to different music because they don't understand yours? You really need to under stand that people have different tastes. That's the beauty of human nature. If we all liked the same exact things and had the same opinions about everything, where would we be now?

 

[USSR]

Most of that is pretty normal here, boo to your freinds

I second that.

 

[Arsen]

understand real music.

Do you even realize how ignorant that is? That everybody else listens to different music because they don't understand yours? You really need to under stand that people have different tastes. That's the beauty of human nature. If we all liked the same exact things and had the same opinions about everything, where would we be now?

My opinion maybe?

But yes, most people don't listen to some forms or art due to a lack of intelligence and understanding the concept behind music, I believe so personally and in a completely humble manner. It is meant to ascend the soul, not bog it down with cultural irrelevancies.

Edit - Likewise, it is ignorant of you to claim that everything sold, produced, and marketed as "music" IS music. Equally so...

 

[ZeCrow]

Metal-wise, my favorite subgenres would have to include prog/power metal, symphonic metal, heavy metal, and death metal. Bands like Dream Theater, Opeth, Between the Buried and Me, Symphony X, Kamelot, Rhapsody of Fire, Epica, Nightwish, All That Remains, Trivium, Amon Amarth, Lamb of God, and Kataklysm. Obviously, I prefer progressive and symphonic metal to most other subgenres.

Oh, and <3 techno.

 

[McNinja]

I will listen to anything that isn't boring. Thus i listen to metal mostly, but i also like rock music (yes there is some good stuff from the new pop janx on the radio, but it is very, very few and far between). Also like me some older stuff too, like AC/DC, The Eagles, Crosy, stills, and nash, etc.

As for metal itself Mercenary, As I lay Dying, August Burns Red, The Showdown, Demon Hunter, are some of the ones.

And Thread derailment: Who else listens to "christian" metal?

 

[Arsen]

I will listen to anything that isn't boring. Thus i listen to metal mostly, but i also like rock music (yes there is some good stuff from the new pop janx on the radio, but it is very, very few and far between). Also like me some older stuff too, like AC/DC, The Eagles, Crosy, stills, and nash, etc.

As for metal itself Mercenary, As I lay Dying, August Burns Red, The Showdown, Demon Hunter, are some of the ones.

And Thread derailment: Who else listens to "christian" metal?

Jacob's Dream and Sypher are very good.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

I would like to point out that none of those bands you mentioned are Industrial. And neither are Rammstien before anyone even mentions their name.

Meh, I'll listen to anything, the more extreme the better, sometimes.

Marilyn Manson is industrial/alternative rock. And i was just listing my favorite bands as examples. I like nine inch nails, the prodigy, and.. and.. RAMMSTEIN! who could be considered industrial but yeah your right Rammstein is more along the lines of rock.

EDIT: I repeated myself about three times

actually wrong

Manson is hard/glam/shock rock and NOT industrial, there's nothing synthesized about his stuff it's all live instruments and no samples or anything that other industrial bands use. a lot of the media likes to label him as that but he's not

Rammstein treads the fine line between industrial and metal, leaning more on the metal side tho.

NiN is industrial but the rest of the bands you listed were metal and/or hard rock

Try Nine Inch Nails
best Industrial/Metal band EVER
(now go on hate me)

i think Skinny Puppy or Front 242 might have a word with you about that

 

[Artificial Idiot]

If anyone here listens to Combichrist, Icon of Coil, VNV Nation, Apoptygma Berzerk, Panzer AG, or Goteki, I'll pee my pants in joy.

You know what, I LOVE Icon of Coil, VNV and Combichrist so much I had to actually register to proclaim my surprise that somebody else here loves them too! Apop I have a few songs by, which I do enjoy, but I've yet to seek out more and I've never heard of the other two. But still... Three out of six ain't bad, eh?

 

[Rusty Bucket]

I advise any metalheads to head over to this thread: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.78837
Yes, i realise this is shameless adverstising, and i apologise, but it feels necassary.

I'm into pretty much anything death metal. Can't see the appeal of nu-metal or metalcore.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

I don't think that those bands you listed are all necessarily bad.. god knows I like some of their songs. However, it does seem odd that the bands you listed are all radio friendly iterations of hardcore, industrial, and "nu-metal".

I recommend not locking yourself off towards one radio aesthetic since you're just limiting yourself in the long run. Overall, nothing weird about the music you listen to since the audience is sizeable enough that they do get radio play.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

If anyone here listens to Combichrist, Icon of Coil, VNV Nation, Apoptygma Berzerk, Panzer AG, or Goteki, I'll pee my pants in joy.

going to see combichrist in a month, seen vnv nation live a few times, seen icon of coil once and might go see them in may, apop is kinda hit and miss with their good stuff tho

 

[VoleurdeThym]

Idiot- Yeah, not bad at all. I'm surprised TWO people knew who I was talking about. *Pants are pee'd in*

Clever- I envy you, you lucky bastard. I'd love to see any of them in concert, even once.