Innovative Gaming is done.

[Solo-Wing]

*Raises flame shields*

I am now beginning to believe that Innovative gaming is over. Now a days it seems like when a new game comes out people will be slamming a "Like *Insert Game Here* but" title on that game, and ***** that it rips off the *Insert Game Here". But the thing is... I really think all of the good innovative Ideas are... well gone really. Think about it. Try to come up for a concept for a game. Now most likely that Idea was "Inspired" by a game you have played before.

We as gamers should stop asking for innovative games, but for games that are fun to play, and have a good story/plot. And stop bitching if some developers use ideas from something else.

Thoughts?

I am not looking to piss anybody off, I am just saying this because it is pissing me off how people are demanding so much from Developers.

EDIT: We should always WANT new innovative Ideas. But we should stop DEMANDING them. When a new Idea comes up we should cherish it and make it last for as long as possible, not get bored of it and ask for something new, putting developers on the spot, and end up getting crap.

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[Shakaar9267]

"We as gamers should stop asking for innovative games"

Sorry, but you lost me there.....

 

[Solo-Wing]

"We as gamers should stop asking for innovative games"

Sorry, but you lost me there.....

I am saying we should stop asking for Games that have crazy and good innovations. I mean if there is an interesting way to get EXP or to heal then yeah that could come up, but to have an idea that the entire gameplay flows around? I doubt we will be seeing any more of those. If we do they will be few and far between.

 

[HighPlainsSquinter]

Ideas are not a finite resource, so I can't say I agree with your stance.

 

[Solo-Wing]

Ideas are not a finite resource, so I can't say I agree with your stance.

It is just an personal opinion. I am finding that new and exciting ideas are getting fewer and further between.

 

[Ninjat_126]

There are only so many original ideas, sooner or later we'll run out.

However, we're a long way away from that. We will however run out of people able to have original ideas without being influenced by other media.

Still, I've got a couple of game ideas I've never seen anywhere else floating around in my head, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Define "innovation" for me and then we can start playing with the term. Nobody ever gives their definition of the word and everyone seems to have different definitions yet thinks everyone else has the same definition.

 

[Shakaar9267]

"We as gamers should stop asking for innovative games"

Sorry, but you lost me there.....

I am saying we should stop asking for Games that have crazy and good innovations.

Ummm....
We should stop asking for "good innovations"?! I really don't get it.

Ideas are not a finite resource...

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[Smooth Operator]

So what you're saying is: let innovation die?

Well I'm sure the casual crowd is pushing that boat down the river quite nicely, but some of us do like to see things move forward.

 

[BreakfastMan]

I guess we should stop asking for interesting movies that defy the norms then since Tvtropes exist, eh? Not to be a jerk or anything, but that seems to be the gist of what you are suggesting, and quite frankly, I find it silly.

Nor am I convinced that there are no new ideas in gaming, since it is a relatively new story-telling medium, or that ideas that are inspired by previous games cannot be "innovative". Both seem very bold claims to make that would need a lot of backing up, and the support for both of them does not seem to be all there.

 

[Racecarlock]

Hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa! Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Seriously though, innovation is never going to stop. Also, I think you're only looking at the AAA side of the industry. You should also look at the casual side, the independent side, and the flash game side. Seriously, those flash games have an innovation every day, or at least every week.

 

[Solo-Wing]

Define "innovation" for me and then we can start playing with the term. Nobody ever gives their definition of the word and everyone seems to have different definitions yet thinks everyone else has the same definition.

You reminded me of this here witht that.
Two blokes are arguing about the Definition of flight. We all understand the word flight but the individual definitions of the word could be different for each of us.

 

[Frybird]

I am saying if games that actually TRY to be innovative, we shouldn't shun them like most of us usually do.

I'm STILL pissed at gamer reactions for Mirrors Edge, wich is one of the freshest and most exciting games in the last few years, and most of all, a great starting point on wich could be built on, but in the end hardly anyone wanted it because...well, it's different...and worst of all people actually bitched about it quite a lot.

I think many people, when saying they want innovation, they are actually lying to themselves, since when it comes around, they are just trying to find reasons to either hate the game or not buying it until it is dirt cheap (read: not interesting for the publisher anymore), and rather invest in "safe bets" like Call of Duty because they are more polished and refined...

 

[Yvl9921]

I still don't think innovation is or ever was some sort of holy grail of game design. It's a plus, absolutely, but too many games try to innovate too hard (Indie games, mind you, this is never the case in the AAA community) and somehow wind up coming full circle and being boring.

As for it being dead, it isn't. It's just friggin difficult to innovate this generation due to the cost of development. Which is why you only see it in Indie games anymore - they don't sink millions into graphics, so it's easier to do more unique things. And that's probably why you think it's dead - because these indie games slip by you.

 

[HighPlainsSquinter]

Ideas are not a finite resource, so I can't say I agree with your stance.

It is just an personal opinion. I am finding that new and exciting ideas are getting fewer and further between.

And I agree. It's not so much an issue there being no ideas, however, but of risk: As games become more and more expensive to develop, publishers play it more and more safe. They're putting millions of dollars into development, so they want a return of investment, and the best way to ensure that is to do what's already proven to work.

 

[Shameless]

"Everything that can be Invented has been Invented" ~ Charles H. Duell, he said that in 1899, just put that in your mind.

 

[Solo-Wing]

"We as gamers should stop asking for innovative games"

Sorry, but you lost me there.....

I am saying we should stop asking for Games that have crazy and good innovations.

Ummm....
We should stop asking for "good innovations"?! I really don't get it.

If any good ideas and Innovations pop up then we should Embrace them, but we should not ask for new ideas and expect them to be good.

I guess we should stop asking for interesting movies that defy the norms then since Tvtropes exist, eh? Not to be a jerk or anything, but that seems to be the gist of what you are suggesting, and quite frankly, I find it silly.

What you are refering to is Story/Plot. I can see there being an Infinate amount of good stories and plot. I am referring to gameplay.

 

[IBlackKiteI]

"Everything that can be Invented has been Invented" ~ Charles H. Duell, he said that in 1899, just put that in your mind.

Exactly.

There is always something new left to create. But there is always a shortage of dev's willing to create new things.

 

[Danceofmasks]

It's not so much an issue there being no ideas, however, but of risk: As games become more and more expensive to develop, publishers play it more and more safe. They're putting millions of dollars into development, so they want a return of investment, and the best way to ensure that is to do what's already proven to work.

You may want to find out how much money Minecraft and Angry Birds made. Also, how much they cost to make.

 

[Solo-Wing]

Ideas are not a finite resource, so I can't say I agree with your stance.

It is just an personal opinion. I am finding that new and exciting ideas are getting fewer and further between.

And I agree. It's not so much an issue there being no ideas, however, but of risk: As games become more and more expensive to develop, publishers play it more and more safe. They're put millions of dollars into development, so they want a return of investment, and the best way to ensure that is to do what's already proven to work.

"Everything that can be Invented has been Invented" ~ Charles H. Duell, he said that in 1899, just put that in your mind.

Shit you guys just said my mind. That is how I wanted to phrase this topic but I could not use the right wordings. This is probably why I failed English... Twice. I am horrible at getting my exact thoughts on paper.