Inside the Sick Mind of a School Shooter Mod

[Seydaman]

i think anyone who plays that game should be removed from schools/arrested/therapy etc.

the game doesnt even look fun or anything like that, so the only reasons you would play it would be curiosity or if you were thinking about shoting up a school or your self.

i dont care about people and their free speech when it comes to this sort of crap. This serves no purpose other than to glorify school shootings and inpire more that end in peoples deaths.

Death out weighs freedom of speech.

I have no problem with violent games, but this isnt just a violent game this is a shoot up a school sim and im guessing it doesnt get rated by esrb or pegi and isnt prevented from being played by 8-12 year olds.

Everyone who has ever shot cits in GTA should be "emoved from schools/arrested/therapy etc."
It's entire unprovoked violence and serves only to serve their sick twisted desires
I was being ironic

 

[pokkuti]

brag about rights. brag about freedom.
it's all come down to intention.

this modder try to destroy game industry and more than half of people here give him support.
I'm loss of words. it's sickening me.

Sorry for my English.

 

[naab]

This game is interesting. Instead of dressing it all up in colorful textures or enemies he placed human faces and real physics.

Take Halo. You're murdering children, and an entire culture of a different race. Let's dress those up a children with bombs strapped to their ankles and tribal looking warriors... Oops that's resident evil.

Not saying the game is right, but I am saying if it was aliens or some other type of gimmick or sugar coat we would have no issues with it.

 

[Tdc2182]

What an absolute son of a *****. I can't believe he doesn't seem to understand what he's doing.

Can you imagine if you had lost a sibling in say, Columbine, and you browse Moddb and this shit comes up? Because this asshole obviously can't.

This makes me sick.

The whole world shouldn't have to stop because some people might be offended by it. I think he understands perfectly well what they're doing, he just doesn't care.

If we all stopped doing what we want just in case somebody was offended, we'd never get anything done.

I don't agree with his game because, to be perfectly honest, its likely going to suck, but i'll at least defend his right to make it.

Hm.

You seem to be saying the exact opposite of what I agree with now. People like you need a swift reality check. Freedom of Speech is a dirty whore who stopped giving a shit about what was right back in the American Revolution.

The only people who use it nowadays are the internet Trolls and Sick assholes like this person here.

Like I said earlier (even to YOU, how taint). You aren't a big hero of Free Speech by letting this guy continue this sick project. You merely are someone who is sitting back and allowing someone to make a game about school shootings.

 

[sleeky01]

I wouldn't have a problem with this if I didn't know that this will bite the whole industry in the ass, sooner or later.

Would it however? "The Industry" is not making it, some clown in his basement is.

 

[Bobbity]

This game is interesting. Instead of dressing it all up in colorful textures or enemies he placed human faces and real physics.

Take Halo. You're murdering children, and an entire culture of a different race. Let's dress those up a children with bombs strapped to their ankles and tribal looking warriors... Oops that's resident evil.

Not saying the game is right, but I am saying if it was aliens or some other type of gimmick or sugar coat we would have no issues with it.

Exactly. It's the context here that makes it so sickening.

 

[Zinaxos]

That's dark, and completely unnecessary. I'm all about freedom of speech and whatnot but this goes a bit too far. I will play this game, I won't like it but I play games and I will have to see if this game is truly deserving of of the names i'm calling it in my head.

 

[Blank Kold]

I love inconsistencies. Because the bits of code and models say that the victims are children, teachers, and janitors doesn't make them any different from the civilians in GTA or the civilians from 'No Russian' or any other character in any other game. The fact that this mod is morally worse in any way than any other shooting game/mod is laughable in its own.

 

[Firetaffer]

look guys, people are way to easily offended now a days.
look at any game we play ussually, it's killing human beings.
now sure this game is in a school, but on a battlefield it's no different.
just cause it has pushed your red offense button doesn't mean it is offensive, just means you personally believe it is.

This game is the same game as call of duty, just with the attempt of justification for the murders taken away. So let's just leave it alone. it's making a point. and i guess not everyone can see that. also just a fun game, releasing some steam. good stuff.

Took the words straight out of my mouth.

I don't care whether it's a middle aged woman, a child, or a dog, killing is killing. The 'violence' in the games we play, the movies we watch, and the books we read should all be considered immoral and sick in todays 'politically correct' society where so much stuff is redeemed unacceptable.

However I can understand why people would get upset over this, since school killings are a new gaming scenario, which very few games have even attempted. I like the way that this game will expand the different kind of games we can play, broadening the different game styles and situations that video games will offer.

This mod doesn't really look that good from the footage I've seen anyways , I barely even notice that it's in a 'school shooting' apart from the fact that it's in the description and the title.

 

[Living Contradiction]

*snip*

I think he is spot on when it comes to a lot of issues. A. The average gamer generally comes across as reactionary and aggressively irrational, based on the loudest people on the online services.
B. He mentions that the source engine games, which this mod utilizes, are generally rated for mature audiences - so, if children wouldn't get their hands on those games, they couldn't run the mod. No, Portal, which isn't rated mature, does not include the source SDK that you need in order to run source mods.
C. Would you honestly say he's wrong about that? Sure, there are occasional exceptions, but most of the best selling titles boils down to exactly that.

So you'd rather be classified as reactionary and irrational then? Forgive me, but I wouldn't. I tend to get irritated when people put me in a box labelled "angry and stupid, keep away from anything sharp" and that is the box that this game is trying to place the gaming community in. Pawnstick firmly believes that he is providing a service for stupid and angry people in the hopes that they will vent their toxic emotions in a video game instead of on the living. He also holds that school shootings, or at least a game about them, should be seen as a form of entertainment. Well, since neither I nor anyone I know of who plays video games delights in the thought of picking up an automatic weapon and gunning down high school kids, Pawnstick's assumptions rankle a bit.

And to be honest, no, I don't consider most games to be shoot-em ups and murder sims. The first person shooter didn't get its legs until the nineties hit, GTA didn't rear its head until 1997 and, while these titles get lots of press, they are not the be-all and end-all of gaming. Never have been and never will be.

Need proof? Here...http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php The top fifty selling titles on the planet. Ever.

For those who want to skip the link, I'll give you a synopsis.

Number of FPS titles: 5 (counting Duck Hunt and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, which hit the list twice because of differing platforms)

Number of GTA titles: 3 (no other title depicting user-controlled crime made the list. Not one.)

That's it. Eight titles out of the fifty top sellers of all time. Want to know what's even more hilarious? Nintendo produced every last one of the top ten and the only one with a gun in it was Duck Hunt.

I repeat: shoot 'em ups and murder sims are not representative of the whole of video games any more than those who shout the loudest on Xbox Live are representative of the average mentality of a gamer. They're out there; I'm not denying they exist. They shout louder than anyone else and get more fuss made over them. But they aren't nearly as prominent as you might think and they certainly are not representative of the whole.

So if you want to base your opinions on the observations of someone that looks upon you with contempt, feel free, Fisk. I'm going to judge myself and others with a little more compassion, and a good deal more taste, than someone who hates the audience he's selling to.

 

[Twilight_guy]

And some quasi-sociopathic moron makes a school shooting game and people are up in arms.
2 points to make.
1. Why are we offended exactly? Shouldn't we be able to just see this is on bad taste and let it go rather then being upset? It's like a dead baby joke, it makes you sick but you move on and try to avoid the weirdo that made it. Games can address this sort of subject matter but horribly mutilating it for a cheap thrill should be addressed and such and exposed to the light as a fucking dumb move not trigger generic disgust.

2. Whoo, games have advanced far enough for people to actually care!

 

[silent-treatment]

What the guy says is logically sound, but ( I think i might get probation for this but w/e) seriously FUCK this guy. This douche is a part of the modding community, which means he obviously has some form of connection, and dedication to the gamming community. ALL this shit will do is put gamming back. The mod will get a lot of downloads because people will be interested, and trolls will love it. And lo and behold a couple months down the line, the main stream will hear about it and the world will fucking explode. It will be seen as a major success, and opponants to the community will see it as proof that video games are evil. For someone who has any dedication to the gamming industry, well at least enough to go through the tedious ass process of MAKING a mod, to make something like this is fucked up.

Thanks bro, thanks for making things harder for actual developers. Thanks for putting the gamming community back a couple decades. Thanks for proving gamming opponents like Jack Thompson completely fucking correct. Is there any way Valve can stop them?

 

[JohnnyDelRay]

Just trying to read between the lines here. The people who are saying he is a troll maybe have a point. I mean, the way he justifies violent games, stating the media overplayed the drama in the victims, and the way he shrugs off everything is just to place gaming in a nasty tight corner.

Then he tries to cover it up slightly, by saying dumb shit like the violent games like this nowadays suck, and no one has done it properly as a poor reason to garner attention.

I know I didn't make all that much sense, but the bottom line:
I think he's trying to ruin the gaming industry, with the context of this game, and the timing of the release. He's trying to pull it out of the slack Flash-based violent and insensitive games pile by putting slightly more production value into a fucking HL mod. Maybe he actually hates games to the core, and this is part of a grand scheme to shut them down for good?

 

[littlealicewhite]

My god, someone shut him up!!!!! How dare he, a game maker, completely undermine everything this community has been striving for?! How dare he say that all games are are violent toys?! Is everything I've learned and felt from a game false then?! Is the love and passion that I and every single true gamer out there put into these games a lie?! Fuck him, and fuck his game! He makes me sick on so many levels I could download it to WoW and play as a level 85 SICK!

We as a community need to stone this ************.

 

[Soet Poet]

And it's not to say that video games can't go where other mediums go, but a movie where all you'd see is kids getting shot down without any context or message, that'd be shunned by movie critics or any sensible human beings. Why would it be okay here? Cause it's just a game and games don't really matter, they are just 0s and 1s?

Have you not seen a single slasher movie? They are almost ALWAYS killing teenagers, just like in this game. The "motive" is just there because "there has to be a reason". People watch slasher movies to see teenagers get brutally murdered and nothing else. Also, see "Postal", where kids being murdered is portraid as being funny. And yes it was.

Also, why do games have to justify everything they do with "they did it first!"? THAT'S childish behaviour if I ever saw it. Why can't games be first?

a book is just ink on paper, a movie is just light projected on a screen, paintings are just color pigments on a canvas, music is just noise, etc...

That is correct. Every piece of art is percieved different by everyone, that is the entire point.

Also, morals have changed up and down through the ages, I have no respect for them whatsoever. I do what I want, for whatever reason I choose. And I am happy.


EDIT: The amount of angry people wanting to inflict pain, physical or otherwise, upon this person don't even seem to realize that THEY are promoting violence much more than this mod, which even the creator said was made for the opposite effect. YOU are the ones hurting the gaming community, if anyone, with your childish banter.

 

[Wintermute_]

This guy is such a cynical... asshole!I mean, god damn, the entire interview, it reads like he just so up on himself, like he's some macho non-conformist, proud to break the norm or something, but this is just wrong!

He says messages in games aren't fun. Fuck him! Bioshock kicked ass and still had messages. And games that can deliver a message, all the better.

This guy needs a swift kick in the head to bring him back to reality: this game is nothing but bad news to the industry, to the people who play it, it sends a horrible message all around! I don't give to shits if he has a right to make it, just because he can doesn't mean he (or they, the developers) should! I just...

This is wrong. At least in war games even, the opposing force is an enemy faction, trying to kill you, as you fight for ideals and values and for something. This is just mindless violence and killing innocents. The suicide option at the end with the snappy one-liners is just the most disturbing part...

Sickening...

 

[frago roc]

For instance, you can right now go to a synagouge and say that you think the holocaust never happened, Jews steal people's money, and any other number of terrible things. That is your right, but we as a society have made rules saying it isn't right.

That is simply wrong. Not only will you be tresspassing (as someone else pointed out), but the "free speech" BS that people like to spew is limited when it comes to infringing on others' rights, and invading a synagouge and preventing worship is also infringing (nuissance and religious freedom laws come to mind). If free speech was absolute then there would be no defamation laws.

 

[Light 086]

Those assholes, how dare they be offended.

On a more serious topic: How didn't they see that this would piss everyone off especially those who lost children, or have survived such an event? Also people don't like to face the truth that children die, so such a motion offends them. The producers were asking to get it up they ass by pushing out this game. Who seriously thought that this game was a good idea?

 

[FogHornG36]

You know why they are making it, because they can, end if story, i can't wait to play this game, just so i can say that i did!

 

[Alexnader]

You're right the Escapist, this is what is going to convince the public that games are "evil". Not EA and all the shit it's done, or people that stand on their soap box and preach the "evils" of the GTA series; it's going to be this, a low profile mod that, as the creator mentioned, has the potential to prevent shootings.

We've all saved and then proceeded to murder the entire unarmed population of Freeside, or take turns passing the controller around the room as we mow down sidewalks packed with civilians in Liberty City, but when someone puts that setting in a school it becomes worse than Satan. Everyone gets frustrated from time to time and I'm sure that many of us have taken out our rage on a game (me included) so why would a game that helps someone do that be bad? While tragic a relatively small number of people die in school shootings especially when compared to WW2 which the gaming industry has made plenty of games about.

Just because you find the concept offensive doesn't mean that it's not okay for someone to make a game about it. Plenty of people found putting the Taliban in a game to be offensive but many of you said that was fine this just crosses your morals so you don't like it.

A key part of the development of any art form or creative work is authorial intent, even if the intent is for the piece to have no visible purpose that still counts as an intent. The intent of the developer of this game is to make school shootings fun, or rather to use the scenario as grounds for "entertainment". You ask what's the difference between this mod and AAA titles like MoH? EA stated that MoH was intended to pay homage to the soldiers serving overseas, they mightn't have done a good job but that was what they were aiming for. Furthermore I doubt the developers of those other games you cited had the sole intent of making pointless slaughter entertaining, they may have offered you the opportunity to do so but that's by no means similar to what this modder is doing.

This modder is instilling a reward system designed to make the mass murder of children fun and that is his sole purpose. No message, no deliberate shock value, just fun. I personally believe this course of action is morally wrong and in breach of the International Game Developer's code of ethics namley "As individual developers, we commit that we will: 1.continually strive to increase the recognition and respect of the profession..." . While that code is not legally binding and is volountary it indicates that this modder has strayed from what a normal developer would consider tasteful or beneficial for the medium and industry.

Furthermore from the screenshots all I can say is that game looks like arse and that shooting things that only run away from you in such a bland and horribly thought out environment will be a chore rather than a cathartic remedy for disturbed individuals.