Internet troll is jailed after mocking deaths of teenagers online.

[drmigit2]

Double post.

 

[Raddra]

Hell yes.

Now go get those scum who crashed the online funeral on world of warcraft years back.

 

[M920CAIN]

Went to jail for posting a comment? This... this... this is something that would happen in Soviet Russia maybe... the guy is an asshole yes... but damn... he should've got something like community service or the like not jail... something that would teach him to care about other people's feelings... hell talk about over reacting both from this guy and the justice department. Can't blame the family & friends though...

 

[Korak the Mad]

Now that's what I call justice!

Now, I'm not an expert on the subject, but I'm pretty damn sure Aspergers sufferers know a sense of right from wrong.

Four months of time for a man with Aspergers? We are thinking of the same disorder, right? The one where sufferers have no idea how to communicate properly?

I agree with you on this, and for being some who has Aspergers, I will say it is sometimes hard to know when you should or should not say something. People who have it don't always understand social cues and have a hard time understanding subtlety. I have gotten in trouble on several occasions when I had said something that I may have found hilarious, but everyone else found in very inappropriate.

Over time I have learned that I should not always say what I'm thinking, and that has helped me quite a bit. I still might say something that other people may react negatively to, but I very rarely do that now. I will be quiet rather than speak my mind, knowing how someone might react.

 

[Riff Moonraker]

Not only did he get what he deserved, but I hope he was locked up with Bubba, and they became bestest friends!

 

[Wanzer]

This is insane, he trolled and he gets 4 months? First amendment has died today, sorry to say everyone. He should have been fined 600 or so dollars for damages, I guarantee he would have stopped after paying 600 for it.

Firstly he was in the U.K., secondly that isn't protected under first amendment rights, thirdly go study law before you open your mouth again.

Firstly, if that is the case, then the U.K is fucking retarded. Next, if that is not covered under the first amendment, then why the hell is the WBC running around saying god kills your son because there are gay people in America? My point was that he should have been fined, probably around the 500-1000 dollar(or in this case euro) range. There are way worse people deserving jail time, think next time before you open your mouth again.

Refer to my post prior to this and there is an explanation; however, I suppose i can just say it again here. The WBC is protected because they aren't protesting any particular solider, rather they are protesting gays in the military. They just 'happen' to be doing it right next to a solider's funeral. In any case I don't like the WBC and I despise what they are doing, but they are still protected in their legal rights to do it.

 

[manofwar618]

I don't see how this guy got arrested, but the world's largest trolls, the West Baptist Church, are still free to go. If you don't know who that is, then Google them. HUGE trolls that say much worse things. They picket funerals!

 

[The3rdEye]

You don't understand.

You're right, I don't understand.

You're damn right, because you've missed the entire point of my post again. Don't bother replying if you're not going to read it dude, that's no way to argue.

Alright, I'll use someone else's words instead:

To paraphrase Draconalis' statement, "your freedom of speech is null and void the moment it harms or invites harm upon someone."

And quoting from Wanzer's Wiki link to the UK's hate speech laws:
"Hate speech laws in the United Kingdom are found in several statutes. Expressions of hatred toward someone on account of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship), ethnic or national origin, religion, or sexual orientation is forbidden. Any communication which is threatening, abusive or insulting, and is intended to harass, alarm, or distress someone is forbidden. The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both."

 

[ThunderCavalier]

I believe it warranted some time, although I agree that the punishment was definitely unproportional.

I do believe in Free Speech and the rights trolls have to (unfortunately) troll. However, fi you're going out of your way to harass someone in such a manner, especially someone who DIED and whose people are in MORUNING, you deserve to have the police knock on your door and tell you how much of an ass you're being.

But this seems like an overreaction. The groups could have easily asked for someone to delete the comments. Still, it seems like he was going out of his way to offend and mock the people involved, so it still seems like, imo, he got what he deserved.

 

[jonyboy13]

Jail?

Are we gonna start jailing people who call each other "fatty" or "four-eyes" next?

How about moderating comments better?

You mind censoring it? There are children here.

Well, that was very stupid. Let's say he deserve it, that means thousands of others deserve too and I don't see them getting arrested so that means the enforcement of this "law" is 0.1-0.00000001%?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

offended == harassment, riiiight...

are you going to mount a decent argument, or do you just want to waste my time? also, i like how you singled out the only line in my post that wasn't expressing the message that people need to grow up and stop whining about rude remarks. i'm calling it now, if anyone responds to this they too will cut out most of my post(s).

I'm sorry you felt I cut the quality bits out of your incredibly insightful and worthy post.

I'm actually not interested in arguing anything with you, as your two contributions to the discussion so far have illustrated quite proficiently exactly what the outcome of that would be. I thought, since you were an advocate of people acting like grown ups, you might want to educate yourself on the law before making random, off-the-cuff statements that you bubbled up out of the stew of your imagination. I see now that I was mistaken in that. I will therefore cease to waste your time, and you can resume howling purposelessly at the internet.

 

[drmigit2]

This is insane, he trolled and he gets 4 months? First amendment has died today, sorry to say everyone. He should have been fined 600 or so dollars for damages, I guarantee he would have stopped after paying 600 for it.

Firstly he was in the U.K., secondly that isn't protected under first amendment rights, thirdly go study law before you open your mouth again.

Firstly, if that is the case, then the U.K is fucking retarded. Next, if that is not covered under the first amendment, then why the hell is the WBC running around saying god kills your son because there are gay people in America? My point was that he should have been fined, probably around the 500-1000 dollar(or in this case euro) range. There are way worse people deserving jail time, think next time before you open your mouth again.

Refer to my post prior to this and there is an explanation; however, I suppose i can just say it again here. The WBC is protected because they aren't protesting any particular solider, rather they are protesting gays in the military. They just 'happen' to be doing it right next to a solider's funeral. In any case I don't like the WBC and I despise what they are doing, but they are still protected in their legal rights to do it.

Don't try deny that they are way worse than some stupid internet troll. This is a mockery of justice. I get that he is an asshole, and he probably deserves punishment, but jail time is not only insane and way too severe, it also is a waste of the nation's resources (they have to feed, clothe, and bed him for 4 months).

 

[Iron Mal]

Take the big picture of the Facebookers condemning the Tsunami or the Japanese beating America at football. I'm not going to link to it, but I'm sure people have seen it by now.

There are a LOT of people on the Internet who are just plain vicious.

Are you going to jail them all?

Jessi Slaughter. [http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/jessi-slaughter#.Tm-9XexLqSo] Her father "You dun goofed", died of a massive heart attack just over a month ago.

Any of 4chan going to jail for that? Or Boxxy? Or Mitchell Henderson?

The case of ignorant people on Facebook making harsh and cruel statements again comes under my 'in bad taste but not really worth taking serious action over' sentiment that I outlined earlier (it's unfortunate but there isn't much you can do about that).

In the case of Jessi Slaughter (based on the information you've given me) she brought all that attention onto herself (she directly antagonised and tried to make comebacks against them herself) and the hassle she recieved was the result of her posting pictures and videos of herself online (which is pretty far removed from the tragic death of your daughter via train).

While the death of her father recently is unfortuneate and I'm sure it's very saddening to her I doubt that this was the result of internet trolls so I would find it harder to be able to support punishment for them because of the case of the back and forth between her and 4chan.

That isn't a very good example if you're going to make a comparison, that was just trolling while the incident at the beginning of this thread didn't have a victim like Jessi Slaughter, she antagonised the people who attacked her while the family in grieving did nothing to deserve what happened to them.

If that was the best example you could think of to try and undermine my point then I think you might need to try a different angle.

 

[Dogstile]

You don't understand.

You're right, I don't understand.

You're damn right, because you've missed the entire point of my post again. Don't bother replying if you're not going to read it dude, that's no way to argue.

Alright, I'll use someone else's words instead:

To paraphrase Draconalis' statement, "your freedom of speech is null and void the moment it harms or invites harm upon someone."

And quoting from Wanzer's Wiki link to the UK's hate speech laws:
"Hate speech laws in the United Kingdom are found in several statutes. Expressions of hatred toward someone on account of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship), ethnic or national origin, religion, or sexual orientation is forbidden. Any communication which is threatening, abusive or insulting, and is intended to harass, alarm, or distress someone is forbidden. The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both."

Firstly, again, stop going on about freedom of speech. If you read ANY of my other posts after my first you should realise that in the UK, we don't have it, as your quote puts it.

Secondly, since when does that justify four months imprisonment? In a system that already is struggling with the amount of-

You know what, i'm done. You're not even close to getting why I think this is ridiculous.

 

[RQshadowe]

Moronic.
He wouldn't have been arrested if he had been doing it in real life.
Yet he was arrested for doing it over the internet?

Think about it, if someone shows up to a memorial and says "Oh i'm glad this guy is dead" etc, the worse thing thats gonna happen to them is someone is gonna sock em one.

Hell people crash funerals and wakes all the time and they sure as hell don't get 18 weeks.

 

[Alcamonic]

Maybe if he wasn't an ass to begin with it would be fine. Freedom of speech is not an excuse to spew idiocy towards other.

I hope they put him into slave labour in jail, some people needs to be taught some manners the hard way.

 

[WilliamRLBaker]

Up next more of your civil liberties are taken away more at 11.

Was what he did wrong? yes Was it unlawful? no the first moment we start regulating our opinions, and actions outside of physical harm through the law is the day we give up our power to have any opinion whatsorever except that which perscribed by those in power.

Get over it delete his remarks, report him to youtube, facebook get his stuff taken down but put him in jail? yeah that doesn't fly.

 

[Draconalis]

I'd like to point out that I mentioned he was arrested on harassment chargers that were more akin to stalking than anything else. Making a comment in the heat of rage that might be cruel and insensitive is one thing, but I doubt highly anyone is going to mock the dead in their moment of rage. Still, it is plausible and I give you some respect for the point; however, sad to say that this isn't a slippery slope with this guy. As I mentioned, he was basically being a stalker and going up to these peoples windows and constantly reminding them of the fact therefore becoming both harassing and stalking. Under the cyber protection laws, he does deserve jail time as Cyber Stalking and cyber harassment are still both serious crimes. As someone who has gone through it and still is, it isn't fun, it isn't funny and it seriously begins to screw up your life after a point. Most of the time police can't do anything simply because people can switch their IP addresses like that now and in most cases, there is a lack of 'proof' that comes from it. So I'm glad this guy got jail time and wish he would have gotten more because he invaded another families life and tried to hurt these people through the internet.

Hmm... when looked under the light of stalking, my resolve waivers a little. 4 months for Cyber stalking sounds more solid than 4 months for trolling.

B) your freedom of speech is null and void the moment it offends someone.

You have Rights up till and only when they don't infringe on the Rights of others.

excuse me? come again? where does any nation give its citizens the right not to be offended? pop music offends me for being corporate whores masking an acting career as music, sports offend me for being a massive waste of money that accomplishes nothing but the spectacle of teams of sweaty men groping each other. religion offends me for being nothing but a pyramid scheme that aims to keep scientific development and social progress at bay with a mask of goodwill and faith. are you to say that every theist, sports fan and player, pop star and listener is to be arrested? i don't say this often, but you're an idiot, learn what you are talking about before you try to argue it.

http://www.freedomforum.org/packages/first/curricula/educationforfreedom/supportpages/L04-LimitsFreedomSpeech.htm

Try reading something. You might, dare I say... learn?

Don't be stupid.