INVASION!!!!!! What country do you trust to help?

[Mucinex-D]

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Excuses. It's their fault they failed to properly prepare for any type of invasion. They just let the nazis maneuver around it? And after a year of preparation they shouldn't have had too much smaller an army than Germany. I'm not saying 1 on 1 that France should have won, but as quickly and easily as they fell? And I knew about the Maginot line, but that isn't much help when you can just walk around it now is it? Yes I know it wasn't that simple but France really should have seen it coming. There's no excuse why after one year of building up defenses your country falls after 2 or 3 months. I wouldn't call the German tactics a sucker punch, I would call it common sense. Or stupidity on Frances part, you be the judge. Why pass through the enemy lines when it's easier to go around. France has been a joke since Napoleon in my opinion. They did okay in WW1 but were extremely close to falling early in the war even then.

Germany went around the Maginot line by illegally passing forces through neutral countries. An effective and clever tactic, but also one that "broke the rules". It might seem silly that wars have any rules at all, but even Germany had a tendency to uphold these sort of agreements (like refusing to fight under false flags). This out-maneuvering, which had been predicted, though the British and French forces expected an attack furhter south, allowed Germany to blitzkreig their way into France. The mobile assault by the German's worked much akin to "Shock-and-Awe" tactics - an overwhelming display of power which surprised and demoralised the Allied forces.

You talk about one year being enough to mobilise and rebuild an army - yet in the context, Germany had been rebuilding its forces for a number of years. France could not just pull together a massive, modern army even in a year's time. Britain, likewise, had undergone preperations long in advance (such as pouring funds into the airforce), but was still woefully deficient. Britain went into the war with crappy, ineffectual post WWI tanks. Had all that money not been spent on the airforce, Britain would have still been using bi-planes (the navy used dated bi-plane models throughout the war).

Why wasn't the UK and France better equipped? Well, they (like Germany) were still recovering from a serious Depression. Britain could bearly afford spending all that cash on the airforce in the first place. France had the added problem of trying to rebuild it's country, which was damaged more so than any other by the First World War. The governments of both countries would not have been able to justify building up massive forces in such an economically unstable period, especially as the concept of another war right after was abhorrant to the post WWI public. Germany however had the opposite philosophy - humiliated and crippled by WWI, the people were more than willing to "take back their land and pride". To the nazi population, military action seemed not only justifiable, but patriotic.

"Germany went around the Maginot line by illegally passing forces through neutral countries. An effective and clever tactic, but also one that "broke the rules"."

By the time WW2 started they should have known the Germans weren't the type to "follow the rules". They had already shown that they didn't care what Britain and France had to say, or what the rules were.

"France had the added problem of trying to rebuild it's country, which was damaged more so than any other by the First World War."

Actually Germany was the most damaged during the first world war. Also they had been forced to pay reparations for years prior to Hitler rising to power.

The fact of the matter is France was taken so quickly because they let Hitler do whatever he wanted years prior to WW2. Even after WW2 began, the invading German forces equaled the Allied forces (Roughly). The excuse that they weren't ready can't really hold up because they KNEW what Hitler was doing, they had seen him invade a country before and should have known what he was capable of. Even if all your excuses are true, they're still excuses. France and Britain in WW2 really dropped the ball in the beginning. Poor leadership, poor tactics, and lack of updated equipment were all problems that could have been fixed. They had the time and chose not to use it.

Sure Hitler had a huge head start on them, but that's all the more reason they should have seen it coming. That being said, I'm impressed with what the British did after France fell, and Churchill was a brilliant leader.

edit: Technically they weren't neutral countries because Hitler declared war on them when he invaded France.

 

[freakymojo]

well im danish so possibly the united kingdom or sweden perhaps?
depends on who's attacking us

 

[Thee Prisoner]

History of American-Mexican relations you say?

Pray tell, are you speaking of the Mexican-American War, sparking by 2,000 Mexican troops crossing into Texas and killing or capturing a 70 man patrol of United States dragoons?

Or were you speaking of the actions of the United States during the Franco-Mexican War, where the US supplied arms and ammunition to Juárez's troops, forming a blockade to keep the French from landing more troops to help prop up Maximilian, demanded that France withdraw all troops from Mexico and protesting to Austria about Austria volunteers fighting for the Imperialists?




Back to the topic at hand, I'd pick Canada (our closest friend) or the UK for help

America took Texas from Mexico first.

Wrong!

Texas was an internationally recognized free state when it applied for voluntary annexation of the Republic of Texas to the United States of America . In fact, during the Pastry War (1838-1839), the French agreed not to offend the soil or waters of the Republic of Texas (1836-1846).

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the Prisoner adds:

Their was the Mexican land grab of the area that Mexican people owned in the west and South West area of North America in now the United States.

The Mexican people owned the land in a shared capacity and through shady deals with the US gov't, speculators and lawyers their land was taken from them. I know my explanation is simplistic but the evidence is pretty easy to find. You can probably see why that some Mexican people are upset by the US and then we could go on later why Mexico didn't allow US citizens or business to own land in Mexico anymore. BTW, I'm not from Mexico.

the Prisoner

Yes, the territory claimed by the United States after soundly beating Mexico was an imperialistic land grab, there is no denying that. James K. Polk was an expansionist. However, an interesting little fact, the United States had tried to buy everything that was later claimed after the war. The Mexican government declined the sail, because it would hurt Mexico's pride.

This is my opinion but I think the reason they didn't sell was because then they wouldn't have had any legal rights to try and get it back. The Spanish and Mexican land grants were too fuzzy in their legalize. Good discussion.

the Prisoner

 

[the infected (teamkiers)]

UK and USA ftw. We've been in shit before, we'll dig each other out of it again!

 

[Count Igor]

I'm from the England (Not U.K. England.)
And based on the History, I wouldn't really trust the U.S, as they'd come in a decade later, guns ablazing, to find us all speaking German.

(Working on the assumption that if there's a big war, Germany started it. I mean c'mon. Twice? WW3 coming up soon)

Nah, come to think of it, I would choose the U.S, as they never really give in. Just send lots of people in.
Again.
And Again.
And Again.
Untill the enemy suffocates.

 

[luclin92]

the USA because they dont want to lose some oil

 

[Plurralbles]

britain, australia(i'd hope), and the ol' canadians.

Of course, who would invade the US?

 

[WolfMage]

Wait, I'm supposed to trust another country?
To help?!
Fuck that silliness.
But, if pressed, I'd have to say France.
We, by which I mean the US, are in good enough standing with them, they are a big military power, and they know how to get shit done, see "History" for examples.

 

[SpecklePattern]

China. Im in europe but the amount of people in there is just staggering and they are growing all the time.

 

[Kinguendo]

Wrong!

Yes, I couldnt have put it better myself... you are WRONG!

Texas was legally recognized as Mexican territory, there is nothing I hate more than people trying to change history and that is exactly what you are trying to do.

Its an undeniable FACT that Texas belonged to Mexico.

 

[Shock and Awe]

The French as they've faught in every major conflict the worlds had, also they have a good military or the Sweedish as they have a good military too.

Not the US, as they've only one 2 of the worlds major conflicts and the second they had to come in at the end to help and glory hog like they single handedly won the war. Other than that they've mostly lost their wars against developing nations or farmers.

It seems to me like you are letting prejudice get ahead of logic.

 

[HandsomeJack]

I dont really trust any country sadly enough. It seems these days the old USA is the only country willing to go into somewhere. I would say England, but these days every country but the US prefers to spend years talking nice when civilians are slaughtered before active involvement even becomes a consideration.

One might think it sounds silly to say "I trust the US to come to our aid" when I live in the US, but there is one element to remember: The civillian population of the US is armed. A good amount of our armed population are organized members of militias in order to keep our government in check (as articulated in our constitution). Anyone who invades the US is going to have to deal with both our military and our civillians. And for all they get made fun of in our media, the southern states know thier territory well and know hunting and marksmanship well and are not to be messed with.

I would like to say that most other countries that play nice with us can count on the US to back them up if they get into trouble...but lately we see to have lost that famous drive Patton spoke of in favor of trying to be everyone's friend and be popular (which we arent succeeding at mind you).

I desire peace as much as those who would call me a warmonger for what I am about to say (and use that term incorrectly I might add), but I believe that there is a time for war as much as there is a time for peace. We should strive for deplomacy, but deplomacy is worthless without the intent to use force. No determined conqueror will settle for 50% without a fight when he can take all 100% without a fight. It is all well and good to remember your enemy is another human being, but you must not doubt what you are willing to fight for and that the greatest mercy you can offer is to win fast and hard; a protracted battle costs more lives. The other man is your enemy until the fighting is done, then we show humanity in how we handle victory.

I gotta end this with a quote from "Patton" since I mentioned him...

"...Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country. Men, all this stuff you've heard about America not wanting to fight - wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, big league ball players, the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war, because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans. Now, an army is a team - it lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of crap... Now, we have the finest food and equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the world. You know, by god, I actually pity those poor bastards we're goin' up against. By god, I do. "

 

[effilctar]

I still say it's cheating...
And i wouldnt class uk as a country, rather a nation but i see wiki also calls it a country! RAGE!! Hate being lobbed in with England.

I'm half Scottish half English so I can say that Scotland needs to get off their high horse, it's much worse in Scotland than England... MUCH worse. Glasgow is worse than East London.

Anyway, if the UK was invaded, I'd probably go to France because it's one of the languages I speak; it's close and they'd probably surrender if we invaded.

 

[zakski]

History wise....I'm Irish so I have France as help mainly because Britian is'nt exactly on good terms by us.

Only from the Irish point of view, the UK would much rather you rejoined the commonwealth ...

Also I wouldn't trust the US to give reliable help, they seem more likely to be the invaders ...

We'll outlast any potential enemies on our island-fortress like we always have. After all, it would take a particularly spectular event or a more massive concentration of naval vessels than most nations have or would be willing to dedicate to the task.

 

[Vilcus]

I live in Canada so I'd just have everyone retreat to the frigid north and live there for a while. It would be very hard for any army besides Russia to wage war up there.

OT: I'd trust the U.S. to have our backs. Even though our history wasn't always the friendliest, I'm willing to forget that if a massive army of evil and death comes a knockin'.

I am sorry if this is a double post but I had to say something.
America and Canada currently has the best international relationship between 2 nations. The only past tension have had was when we were a British colony and that is more of a Britian vs America thing than Canada vs America.

Currently, yes. However in the past Canada and the U.S. clashed many times. During the war of 1812 Americans burned down Toronto, in response we burned down the White House. Total over-reaction on our part, Toronto isnt that great to begin with.

 

[Shock and Awe]

I live in Canada so I'd just have everyone retreat to the frigid north and live there for a while. It would be very hard for any army besides Russia to wage war up there.

OT: I'd trust the U.S. to have our backs. Even though our history wasn't always the friendliest, I'm willing to forget that if a massive army of evil and death comes a knockin'.

I am sorry if this is a double post but I had to say something.
America and Canada currently has the best international relationship between 2 nations. The only past tension have had was when we were a British colony and that is more of a Britian vs America thing than Canada vs America.

Currently, yes. However in the past Canada and the U.S. clashed many times. During the war of 1812 Americans burned down Toronto, in response we burned down the White House. Total over-reaction on our part, Toronto isnt that great to begin with.

Yeah, but considering how long ago that was it is negligibly as far as international relations are concerned today. The US and Canada are so damn close that before 9/11 you could pass through the border at many places without any kind of check.

 

[DividedUnity]

The germans. If we asked the british to help defend theyd probably wait another few hundred years to leave again.

 

[Jark212]

American here. I'd like to fight along with the Russians and there nukes...

 

[Warped_Ghost]

I live in Canada so I'd just have everyone retreat to the frigid north and live there for a while. It would be very hard for any army besides Russia to wage war up there.

OT: I'd trust the U.S. to have our backs. Even though our history wasn't always the friendliest, I'm willing to forget that if a massive army of evil and death comes a knockin'.

I am sorry if this is a double post but I had to say something.
America and Canada currently has the best international relationship between 2 nations. The only past tension have had was when we were a British colony and that is more of a Britian vs America thing than Canada vs America.

Currently, yes. However in the past Canada and the U.S. clashed many times. During the war of 1812 Americans burned down Toronto, in response we burned down the White House. Total over-reaction on our part, Toronto isnt that great to begin with.

As I said earlier we only had tension when we were a British colony.

 

[real life potato]

britain, australia(i'd hope), and the ol' canadians.

Of course, who would invade the US?

Any nation in their right mind wouldn't, but heh, so many people would LOVE to invade the US.