INVASION!!!!!! What country do you trust to help?

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Kinguendo

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blaze96 said:
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Texas has started removing VERY important historical figures from their history books.

And actually, all I have heard people say about Arizona is that it is an unconstitutional law (the constitution trumps everything for you guys, right?) as it not only creates racial profiling but forces people to supply proof for the police officers of their citizenship.

EDIT: And you wonder why Mexicans want to leave Mexico? And yeah, Mexico isnt the only one with a corrupt government. *hint*
Never said our government wasn't corrupt, Mexico is just far worse in their corruption (politicians and police have actually taken kickbacks from the Mexican Cartels that cart drugs over the border and are known to murder all who speak out against them.). The people saying the law in Arizona is unconstitutional are pointing to two parts (all legal immigrants must carry identification indicating that they are, and the police may ask anyone to prove their citizenship), these parts may be unconstitutional. (it hasn't been decided and hasn't been taken to the courts so nobody can definitely say it is or isn't. Though you can argue for either side.) The wording may be vague enough that it isn't discrimination and thus does not violate the equal protection clause of the fourteenth amendment, I can't say for sure though as I'm not a lawyer or court justice. We will find out if and when it reaches the Supreme Court of the United States if the law is or isn't, and any argument before that is pure speculation.

On the Texas point, that is a shame I will admit, but it is the choice of the Texas School Board what is included in text books. The sad truth of it is that history books can never truly include everyone who is of significant historical importance, the only reason this one is getting any play is because they are leaving out certain founding fathers who were anti-church. It doesn't make Texas a cluster fuck, it just makes the Texas School Board one sided and biased. Which, when you think about, is all of history really. As the saying goes, "history is written by the victor", and in the case of content of school books in Texas the religious have won against the non-religious. It is also completely plausible that a new school board will change the content again, as it isn't set in stone obviously. The same thing happened when certain states mandated the teaching of creationism alongside evolution (remember how much chaos that caused and how quickly it died down?). I don't pay attention to Texas for the same reason, in time, nobody will give a shit. Everyone gets up in arms for a little while, then they realize how retarded the whole argument is as it has no affect on anyone other than Texans. Besides, would you take away the Texan's right to choose what they teach just because you don't like it or think it is wrong? I say let Texas do as they please and everyone should keep heir mouth shut if it doesn't affect them. This is an argument for Texans and it is up to Texans to decide what is right and wrong, not a Californian and a citizen of the UK. We both know nothing of Texas culture and thus cannot accurately say what is right for them.
Not just founding fathers thet they dont like (by the way, that too is unconstitutional. By removing founding fathers who were anti-church they are going against the 1st ammendment), major figures in the civil rights movement too like Hugo Chavez and Martin Luther King Jr.
 

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I'm not sure. Anyone willing to help? I'm not sure how many countries would be willing to help if America got invaded, but I'm sure there are some.
 

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The USA i am from the uk so it pretty easy to see why.We take the piss out of each other often but when shit hits the fan its normally the nation that is with us side by side.
Exactly what I was going to say, but then I suddenly thought, I think I'd want Nepal. Why?
The Ghurkas
 

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Well, I live in Canada, so either The USA, or The UK would be most likely. We are one of the world's most prominent energy superpowers after all. Having a good relationship with Canada would be beneficial to a nation's energy need.
 

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blaze96: On the Texas point, that is a shame I will admit, but it is the choice of the Texas School Board what is included in text books. The sad truth of it is that history books can never truly include everyone who is of significant historical importance, the only reason this one is getting any play is because they are leaving out certain founding fathers who were anti-church. It doesn't make Texas a cluster fuck, it just makes the Texas School Board one sided and biased. Which, when you think about, is all of history really. As the saying goes, "history is written by the victor", and in the case of content of school books in Texas the religious have won against the non-religious. It is also completely plausible that a new school board will change the content again, as it isn't set in stone obviously. The same thing happened when certain states mandated the teaching of creationism alongside evolution (remember how much chaos that caused and how quickly it died down?). I don't pay attention to Texas for the same reason, in time, nobody will give a shit. Everyone gets up in arms for a little while, then they realize how retarded the whole argument is as it has no affect on anyone other than Texans. Besides, would you take away the Texan's right to choose what they teach just because you don't like it or think it is wrong? I say let Texas do as they please and everyone should keep heir mouth shut if it doesn't affect them. This is an argument for Texans and it is up to Texans to decide what is right and wrong, not a Californian and a citizen of the UK. We both know nothing of Texas culture and thus cannot accurately say what is right for them.[/quote]
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kingenuendo said:
Not just founding fathers thet they dont like (by the way, that too is unconstitutional. By removing founding fathers who were anti-church they are going against the 1st ammendment), major figures in the civil rights movement too like Hugo Chavez and Martin Luther King Jr.[/quote]
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The problem is that publishers do not print textbooks for every individual state. Since the school system is so huge in Texas where Texas goes on how they want the textbooks to be printed many other states will follow, especially the Bible belt states( possibly nation wide). So the ramifications of this are not just limited to Texas, that is why it is a major problem.

I read an article about this subject a few months ago that explains the situation. We have to pay attention to the religious right and how they want to spread their brand of thinking.

the Prisoner
 

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Kinguendo said:
Not just founding fathers thet they dont like (by the way, that too is unconstitutional. By removing founding fathers who were anti-church they are going against the 1st ammendment), major figures in the civil rights movement too like Hugo Chavez and Martin Luther King Jr.
Actually, it is constitutional to revise history. The first amendment says the government will not have an official religion and will not deny the practice of any religion, they don't have to teach any religion (which is in fact unconstitutional). They also are not under any obligation to teach civil rights either. So long as they don't start mandating prayer or start reading the bible, the school board is perfectly within the bounds of the constitution. The first amendment was designed to protect civil liberties, not historical figures.

On Prisoner's point though, you may be right. Though in the digital age, it is becoming much easier to tailor books to individual states and is becoming more common. There is also my state of California, on the other side of the isle with the highest population in the entire US. If it comes down to it, there will probably be two versions of textbooks, the Texas and California editions, that then get distributed to whichever states pick which. I doubt the Texas decision will have much effect out of Texas and states that share the ideology in the long run though.
 

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blaze96 said:
Kinguendo said:
Not just founding fathers thet they dont like (by the way, that too is unconstitutional. By removing founding fathers who were anti-church they are going against the 1st ammendment), major figures in the civil rights movement too like Hugo Chavez and Martin Luther King Jr.
Actually, it is constitutional to revise history. The first amendment says the government will not have an official religion and will not deny the practice of any religion, they don't have to teach any religion (which is in fact unconstitutional). They also are not under any obligation to teach civil rights either. So long as they don't start mandating prayer or start reading the bible, the school board is perfectly within the bounds of the constitution. The first amendment was designed to protect civil liberties, not historical figures.

On Prisoner's point though, you may be right. Though in the digital age, it is becoming much easier to tailor books to individual states and is becoming more common. There is also my state of California, on the other side of the isle with the highest population in the entire US. If it comes down to it, there will probably be two versions of textbooks, the Texas and California editions, that then get distributed to whichever states pick which. I doubt the Texas decision will have much effect out of Texas and states that share the ideology in the long run though.
If they removed ALL the founding fathers then the problem wouldnt be that they were removing anti-church founding fathers. Clearly that is a government organization supporting a religion, seperation of church and state is exactly what the 1st part of the 1st ammendment is about.
 

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Kinguendo said:
If they removed ALL the founding fathers then the problem wouldnt be that they were removing anti-church founding fathers. Clearly that is a government organization supporting a religion, seperation of church and state is exactly what the 1st part of the 1st ammendment is about.
They aren't removing them explicitly because of their anti-church beliefs. That's just what everyone knows them to be doing. Unless they explicitly say they are removing them for being anti-church, they are not in violation. The Texas school board had another explicitly stated reason, and that is all the courts can use. They are not in violation of the first amendment through their explicitly stated purpose of removal of certain founding fathers. We cannot make a court case on pure speculation, even if it is correct.
 

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blaze96 said:
Kinguendo said:
If they removed ALL the founding fathers then the problem wouldnt be that they were removing anti-church founding fathers. Clearly that is a government organization supporting a religion, seperation of church and state is exactly what the 1st part of the 1st ammendment is about.
They aren't removing them explicitly because of their anti-church beliefs. That's just what everyone knows them to be doing. Unless they explicitly say they are removing them for being anti-church, they are not in violation. The Texas school board had another explicitly stated reason, and that is all the courts can use. They are not in violation of the first amendment through their explicitly stated purpose of removal of certain founding fathers. We cannot make a court case on pure speculation, even if it is correct.
I dont believe them for a second, they are now unconstitutional liars. (and probably racists.)
 

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Australia. No-one will think to look for me there.

Slightly less facetiously...probably the UK? Being American, they seem to be about the only fellas who can tolerate us even slightly right now.

Given a free pick, though, I'd take the Chinese.
 

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Ireland

If ONLY because then I'd get to fight alongside Teddy and Furburt amongst others

Plus, your accents rock
 

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Kinguendo said:
I dont believe them for a second, they are now unconstitutional liars. (and probably racists.)
Neither does anyone else, but their word is all we can use. I don't support the decision either, but I support and respect their right to do so.
 

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blaze96 said:
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I dont believe them for a second, they are now unconstitutional liars. (and probably racists.)
Neither does anyone else, but their word is all we can use. I don't support the decision either, but I support and respect their right to do so.
They are abusing that right, they should be punished. Simple as that really.