Iron Man 2 = An awesome sequel!!

[PhunkyPhazon]

Overall it's a very good movie, but it's not as good as the first. The character development is good, Mickey Rourke is great as the villain, and the action scenes do seem to be filled with more, you know, action. But there are a few things keeping it down:

- It doesn't quite have the same charm as the first movie. It tries to replicate it, but it feels kinda forced in some areas.

Spoiler: - I wouldn't really count this as a spoiler, but better safe then sorry

Rhodes seems to know how to operate the armor the second he jumps into it. In the first movie there was a whole scene where Tony was learning how to fly. Naturally, he doesn't quite know what he's doing at first but then perfectly gets the hang of it. The first time Rhodes fly's away he does like he does it completely naturally like he's been doing it for years.

- Not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing, but I was hoping for more action scenes this time around. As it stands, I'm not sure if there is the same amount or less in the sequel. They certainly have more going on in them, that's for sure.

One last thing, there is a very noticable and questionable scene missing. You know how every trailer showed Tony about to jump out of a helicopter and asks Pepper for a kiss, and then she just kisses the helmet? It's no where to be found in the movie. It just jumps directly to Iron Man jumping out. It's seems like an odd move.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The characters seemed less interesting. But they did cut back on the product placement quite a bit.

 

[JaredXE]

Saw it last night. It totally rocked. Seemed longer than it actually was, which didn't bother me, but there were some long stretches to the film. Otherwise, awesome acting (barring Scarlet Johansson...her Widow, while smoking hot and kick-ass, just didn't feel like Widow should), humorous jokes and sight gags, great effects......just an all-around great movie and definately a good sequel.

Can't wait until the Thor and Cap movies come out; hopefully they'll do one more Hulk, but I doubt it.

 

[JIst00]

Its an ok film, but its all about Scarlett Johanssen...

 

[viperthejedi]

It's so interesting to see that the film has people split on if they like it or not. Seems you either really like it or you really hate it.

 

[Instant K4rma]

I really enjoyed it. I actually enjoyed this one over the first film. I thought Mickey Rourke was great as Whiplash, and RDJ was fantastic, again, sa Tony Stark. A great follow up to a great original, in my opinion.

 

[XJ-0461]

I just got back from watching it, and I loved it. It felt like what a superhero movie should be. I got the impression that it was like a comic book up there on the screen.

And one of the fights did actually make me go "holy shit!" when I saw it.

 

[Mr.Black]

Wow I really disagree with you there. Thought Don Cheadle was great in it. The end fight scene with the drones is amazing except Whiplash's end battle is way too short.

I'm afraid my reply is rather long! Sorry.

Spoiler: Glad you kept the reply civil, most newer users see opinions as fact.

OT: The problem with Don Cheadle was the script. It did not suit him. All his lines were poorly written, and this is the guy who made Hotel Rwanda such a epic film. Not only did they write his character into a different person.

Iron man 1: A friend of Tony, who while dissaproving of his actions because it would jepordize his career, is willing to betray his job to keep his friend safe.

Iron Man 2: He is written as a complete asshat. He has a huge fight with Tony for no reason (The film says it's to stop Tony making a drunken fool of himself, but the real reason is because they realised they have too few action sequences) and this results in him betraying him for a suit. Then he ends up working with the obvious villian. His allegance flies all over the shop, and not in a good "General Shepard/Farcry2 Jackel" way. Along with some simply goofy lines this is a huge red mark on Cheadles impressive filmography.

While I'm here, I must say they wrote Paltrow's character much better in this film. She has gone from Miss Exposition for the little, stupid children in the cinema to a actual character. However when she is looking at the beeping self destruct robot at the end (Waiting for our hero to swoop in at the nick of time, no doubt) with that gormless look, that made my day.

On to the battles then.

It was awfully generic. That's a hard thing to write as generic is such a widely used term nowdays. Generic is now generic. What I'm getting at is that there was no real variety, I could tell that the giant globe was going to kill a couple of the Air Force robots when they were introduced - it was easy to guess the "Chekovs". Whether that's because I read Tv Tropes religiously, I don't know.

The heart of the problem is that there was no fear of danger during the battles. After Nick Fury introduced himself and you realise that Iron Man is a huge money sponge, I figured that Iron Man will never die. And now you have War Machine, a fan favorite (for obvious reasons) and as such the ability to never die. War Machine could easily be adapted as a direct to DVD film if they needed.

There was no threat to our characters - even if they lost what happens? They die and some prat gets a defense contract.
Compare to the first film.
They die and some megalomaniac with the ambition of god himself destroys everyone you know and care for and takes over the world with technology that is years ahead of its time.
That is a threat. "Justin Hammer[footnote]Honestly, the writers were crap. Who would think that is suitable villian name?![/footnote]" is not.

Lastly, I agree. Mr Whipfist was a anti-climax. I mean, fucking Dr Doom lasted longer.

MOAR MUST BE COMPLAINED ABOUT!

Spoiler

A hidden diagram for an unknown element? That Tony manages to create in one day with just a laz00r[footnote]Or particle accelerator, whatever bullshit you want to call it[/footnote]?

How did Vanko know that Stark was going to race when it was completely spontaneous? Would he not have been preparing to storm the luxury lounge instead of disguising himself as someone working down at the tracks? How the hell did his legs not get crushed from being smashed into a wall with a car? 5 TIMES! Why the hell was his bird so important if you just replace it and he's fine with it?

How the hell does a machine gun make so many cars explode? Not even in Terminator 2 did they explode from that few bullets that fast!

What happened to the promise that this film would be about Tony Stark's drinking problem? Why replace that with a plot about him being poisoned by what's keeping him alive that can only be solved by a Deus Ex Machina?

How the hell does Don Cheadle know how to operate a suit? Why is the name War Machine only hinted at instead of actually given to him? Why does Whiplash never ever get called Whiplash?

Are we ever going to see Mandarin as a villain? It's been hinted at since the first film.

Why the bodyguard who's only there for comic relief?

I could probably complain about more, but this is from the top of my head.

Hahaha. I'm not laughing at your problems with the film, by the way. They're all pretty warranted and there's really no rebuttle. I do think Sam Rockwell did an amazing job with Justin Hammer. When Stark was off being drunk/boring/MIA we had Hammer stealing the show and keeping us interested.

As far as Mandarin as a villian goes... do you really think he'd be good on the big screen? Characters like Mandarin and Dr. Strange are a different breed of superhero or villian and I don't think they'd make the change from paper to film that well. It's all very supernatural.

 

[viperthejedi]

Wow I really disagree with you there. Thought Don Cheadle was great in it. The end fight scene with the drones is amazing except Whiplash's end battle is way too short.

I'm afraid my reply is rather long! Sorry.

Spoiler: Glad you kept the reply civil, most newer users see opinions as fact.

OT: The problem with Don Cheadle was the script. It did not suit him. All his lines were poorly written, and this is the guy who made Hotel Rwanda such a epic film. Not only did they write his character into a different person.

Iron man 1: A friend of Tony, who while dissaproving of his actions because it would jepordize his career, is willing to betray his job to keep his friend safe.

Iron Man 2: He is written as a complete asshat. He has a huge fight with Tony for no reason (The film says it's to stop Tony making a drunken fool of himself, but the real reason is because they realised they have too few action sequences) and this results in him betraying him for a suit. Then he ends up working with the obvious villian. His allegance flies all over the shop, and not in a good "General Shepard/Farcry2 Jackel" way. Along with some simply goofy lines this is a huge red mark on Cheadles impressive filmography.

While I'm here, I must say they wrote Paltrow's character much better in this film. She has gone from Miss Exposition for the little, stupid children in the cinema to a actual character. However when she is looking at the beeping self destruct robot at the end (Waiting for our hero to swoop in at the nick of time, no doubt) with that gormless look, that made my day.

On to the battles then.

It was awfully generic. That's a hard thing to write as generic is such a widely used term nowdays. Generic is now generic. What I'm getting at is that there was no real variety, I could tell that the giant globe was going to kill a couple of the Air Force robots when they were introduced - it was easy to guess the "Chekovs". Whether that's because I read Tv Tropes religiously, I don't know.

The heart of the problem is that there was no fear of danger during the battles. After Nick Fury introduced himself and you realise that Iron Man is a huge money sponge, I figured that Iron Man will never die. And now you have War Machine, a fan favorite (for obvious reasons) and as such the ability to never die. War Machine could easily be adapted as a direct to DVD film if they needed.

There was no threat to our characters - even if they lost what happens? They die and some prat gets a defense contract.
Compare to the first film.
They die and some megalomaniac with the ambition of god himself destroys everyone you know and care for and takes over the world with technology that is years ahead of its time.
That is a threat. "Justin Hammer[footnote]Honestly, the writers were crap. Who would think that is suitable villian name?![/footnote]" is not.

Lastly, I agree. Mr Whipfist was a anti-climax. I mean, fucking Dr Doom lasted longer.

MOAR MUST BE COMPLAINED ABOUT!

Spoiler

A hidden diagram for an unknown element? That Tony manages to create in one day with just a laz00r[footnote]Or particle accelerator, whatever bullshit you want to call it[/footnote]?

How did Vanko know that Stark was going to race when it was completely spontaneous? Would he not have been preparing to storm the luxury lounge instead of disguising himself as someone working down at the tracks? How the hell did his legs not get crushed from being smashed into a wall with a car? 5 TIMES! Why the hell was his bird so important if you just replace it and he's fine with it?

How the hell does a machine gun make so many cars explode? Not even in Terminator 2 did they explode from that few bullets that fast!

What happened to the promise that this film would be about Tony Stark's drinking problem? Why replace that with a plot about him being poisoned by what's keeping him alive that can only be solved by a Deus Ex Machina?

How the hell does Don Cheadle know how to operate a suit? Why is the name War Machine only hinted at instead of actually given to him? Why does Whiplash never ever get called Whiplash?

Are we ever going to see Mandarin as a villain? It's been hinted at since the first film.

Why the bodyguard who's only there for comic relief?

I could probably complain about more, but this is from the top of my head.

Hahaha. I'm not laughing at your problems with the film, by the way. They're all pretty warranted and there's really no rebuttle. I do think Sam Rockwell did an amazing job with Justin Hammer. When Stark was off being drunk/boring/MIA we had Hammer stealing the show and keeping us interested.

As far as Mandarin as a villian goes... do you really think he'd be good on the big screen? Characters like Mandarin and Dr. Strange are a different breed of superhero or villian and I don't think they'd make the change from paper to film that well. It's all very supernatural.

I loved Rockwell as Hammer. Played the try hard Stark perfectly. Living in Stark's shadow was would hard that's for sure. I think Rockwell played Hammer great.

 

[Laughing Man]

Rhodes seems to know how to operate the armor the second he jumps into it. In the first movie there was a whole scene where Tony was learning how to fly. Naturally, he doesn't quite know what he's doing at first but then perfectly gets the hang of it. The first time Rhodes fly's away he does like he does it completely naturally like he's been doing it for years.

Forget that, how about the big question that never got an answer. How the hell did the suit work at all? Given that Stark has to power his suit using his arc reactor what exactly was Rhodie using to power his suit? Seems strange how they missed explaining that one?

 

[viperthejedi]

Rhodes seems to know how to operate the armor the second he jumps into it. In the first movie there was a whole scene where Tony was learning how to fly. Naturally, he doesn't quite know what he's doing at first but then perfectly gets the hang of it. The first time Rhodes fly's away he does like he does it completely naturally like he's been doing it for years.

Forget that, how about the big question that never got an answer. How the hell did the suit work at all? Given that Stark has to power his suit using his arc reactor what exactly was Rhodie using to power his suit? Seems strange how they missed explaining that one?

Yeah I was also wondering how Rhodes was able to use the suit straight away with no trouble. Obviously he'd done it before but they didn't explain that.

 

[JopperJopJop]

Heard someone saying it was good, not sure if I'll bother seeing it though, I'll wait for further recommendations.

See it.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

Going to see it once it comes out in Canada. I'll probably wait until the second weekend it's out though, as I dislike incredibly crowded theaters.

I saw it opening night a the Colossus theater in Imax. I though I was going to drown in the crowd. Over all fun movie, good summer film to beat the heat.

Edit; The Colossus Theater in Toronto of course.

 

[viperthejedi]

Heard someone saying it was good, not sure if I'll bother seeing it though, I'll wait for further recommendations.

See it.

Second this.

 

[mrhappyface]

It was worse than dark shite all just camp referances nd pointless shit.

Didn't enjoy it at all?

Here's my opinion: The commercials showed what seemed like more action than all of previous Marvel films combined. Sadly, most of the action was contained in those trailers.
For the basic premise, I would say that while the visuals have increased pleasingly well, everything else seemed to have gone in the inverse direction.
First of all, the character of Tony Stark. Tony Stark was a likeable enough character in the first film. In the beginning, he was a deadpanning amoral arms dealer. But by the end, he realized the errors of his ways and set out to do good in the world and well, be a hero. Sadly, he doesn't deliver, and just turns into a completely unlikeable narcissistic, eccentric dick. He also doesn't have any redeeming factor like wit and humor, instead just trying to shoehorn things by talking unreasonably fast and sometimes spouting out a sarcastic comment.
The plot isn't necessarily bad, per se. There's a guy who 's son believes that his father's death is because of the Stark's and vows to get revenge. So naturally, to compensate, he makes his own "Iron Man" and sets out to kill the arrogant dick. Meanwhile, Tony's is just living out the good life and attempting to break as many laws as possible and piss of as many people as he can before the nuclear reactor in his chest kills him. But couldn't Tony just get a regular pacemaker? Or is it to petty for awesome douchebag billionaire inventor? Who knows, Tony just gets lots of people upset at him, and has incredibly irritating overlapped dialogue with his girlfriend.
The Russian dude later goes to France to kill Tony. Tony, being the asshole he is, jacks a Grand Prix racer's car and starts driving around. Why the bad guy just didn't get a RPG and blow up Tony's car, I would never know. So Tony and the Russian guy have a small fight and he gets defeated.
The evil CEO man sees that Russian dude's suit looks cool so he asks him to build suits for him. And then the story goes downhill from there. The movie shifts around from Russian dude making robots, to Tony's failing love life, to Tony being an asshole, to Tony trying to cure his radiation poisoning and being bombarded by Marvel fanservice.