Is a fanfiction depicting the murder of Randy Pitchford ok?

[RicoADF]

Fictionalized real person. It is not rare in parodies or satires. Unfortunately, I'm certain that the words "the systemic problems of sexist depictions of women in the games needs to be stopped" never left Pitchford's mouth.

It's a valid response. I mean, I don't find offensive because of the tone; the true criticism and humor is about the games and not Pitchford as a person, but I get it that makes you feel uncomfortable.

These lines make me wonder if you would still say "it's not offensive because of the tone" if it was a fanfiction of a guy murdering a woman, someone in Randy's position and had done the same thing as him. I find it quite hypercritical that people are fine with men being depicted this way but whenever a girl is on the receiving end it's magically wrong even when done the exact same way for the exact same reasons.

 

[shadowuser10141]

Neither are funny and both are bad, but for different reasons. The flash game is seen as bad is because Anita's cyberbullying. The flash game isn't critisism nor parody; it is just more cyberbullying. The Randy Pitchford fan fic, on the other hand, has no context and is just a random act of cartoon violence with the intent to parody. If you don't understand why context changes people's view on things, then your delusional.

If the flash game was simply a "random act of cartoon violence with the intent to parody", would people still white knight over it? Or would it not get as much attention from the gaming press like the Randy Pitchford fan fic?

And no, this isn't a case of "sacred cow". That trope is specifically for criticism and calling out flaws, not cyberbullying.

The entire Anita thing is a case of "sacred cow". Any criticism or calling out her flaws is met with "she has received death threads...etc" or simply personal insults/accusations of misogyny.

 

[Tenkage]

Fictionalized real person. It is not rare in parodies or satires. Unfortunately, I'm certain that the words "the systemic problems of sexist depictions of women in the games needs to be stopped" never left Pitchford's mouth.

It's a valid response. I mean, I don't find offensive because of the tone; the true criticism and humor is about the games and not Pitchford as a person, but I get it that makes you feel uncomfortable.

These lines make me wonder if you would still say "it's not offensive because of the tone" if it was a fanfiction of a guy murdering a woman, someone in Randy's position and had done the same thing as him. I find it quite hypercritical that people are fine with men being depicted this way but whenever a girl is on the receiving end it's magically wrong even when done the exact same way for the exact same reasons.

Its called a double standard. Feminists love to ignore it and so do their followers as you can see in previous posts

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Well I question the mental state of the person who wrote that as well as that of Ms. Sarkeesian for liking it.

 

[RicoADF]

Its called a double standard. Feminists love to ignore it and so do their followers as you can see in previous posts

I know, hence why I'm pointing it out. Ah sexism, still alive and well I see..... bah humbug.

 

[Tenkage]

Its called a double standard. Feminists love to ignore it and so do their followers as you can see in previous posts

I know, hence why I'm pointing it out. Ah sexism, still alive and well I see..... bah humbug.

sexism is a two way street, I wish more people would realize that, and then realize that feminism and the MRA are useless, its unity that works. But humans are such idiot creatures, I should know, I am an idiot heh heh

 

[KissingSunlight]

I fail to see the connection between fiction and murder.

I once wrote a fanfic where I killed off a character I didn't like. Difference between that and the fanfic that Anita endorsed. If I wrote that you walked up and killed the actor who played that character and you said, "I liked this story." You would be endorsing a death threat.

 

[Bocaj2000]

Neither are funny and both are bad, but for different reasons. The flash game is seen as bad is because Anita's cyberbullying. The flash game isn't critisism nor parody; it is just more cyberbullying. The Randy Pitchford fan fic, on the other hand, has no context and is just a random act of cartoon violence with the intent to parody. If you don't understand why context changes people's view on things, then your delusional.

If the flash game was simply a "random act of cartoon violence with the intent to parody", would people still white knight over it? Or would it not get as much attention from the gaming press like the Randy Pitchford fan fic?

And no, this isn't a case of "sacred cow". That trope is specifically for criticism and calling out flaws, not cyberbullying.

The entire Anita thing is a case of "sacred cow". Any criticism or calling out her flaws is met with "she has received death threads...etc" or simply personal insults/accusations of misogyny.

Did you even read what I wrote? Go back and read everything that I have written on this post. Then make a response when you want to have a civil conversation. If your response is civil and respectful towards me, then we will continue our discussion, but if you're still antagonizing and dismissive, then I'll probably laugh from my chair and ignore you.

 

[Kyber]

If this was a random person i couldn't care less, but it's Sarkeesian so i think it's completely inappropriate.

 

[xaszatm]

EDIT: It has come to my attention that Anita has many supporters and think she can do no wrong. I present to you from her own Bible that is T.V. Tropes. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SacredCow The sacred cow trope.

http://femfreq.tumblr.com/
It has come to my attention that Anita Sarkeesian has posted on her tumbler a fanfiction in which she and Spider man team up to take down Gearbox, and has her shooting and killing Randy Pitchford, "For Alien's Colonel Marines". She is ok with this fanfiction. She posted it saying, "I kinda like it"

Is this ok? Don't know about you, but I don't think its ok. Because it shows she is a hypocrite, that its ok to kill someone you don't like. And to anyone who says, "You are just trying to hate on her" and "It's just a joke"

To the first, no I am not, people have gone to court for writing stories detailing themselves killing someone who is real. Just because she didn't write the story, she still condones it.

Two, by that logic, any of the death threats she has gotten, can be considered a joke, by that logic.

And to the Escapist, I don't care if you take down this forum and ban me. Because I am not promoting hate speech, I am just showing the facts, giving my opinion, and letting people who read this to come up with their own answer and opinion.

Alright, since you seem determined to pass off anyone who disagrees with your original post as someone who worships Anita as a god, let me start this response by saying that I often find that I disagree with Anita. I think that it is unfortunate that she is currently the face of women in representation in gaming because, no matter how hard others scream the opposite, their IS a problem with women in gaming. But with her in charge, everyone's actual criticisms get shoved as garbage because I'm on the same "side" as her.

Also, I'm not the best person to talk about this because I'm not the best writer, so if you're confused by my writing, just let me know.

That being said, I do think that you're reaching here. I do not think that, by showing fan fiction of her and Spider-man teaming up to kill the Gearbox director, means she thinks its okay to kill someone. By that logic, isn't all companies doing the exact same thing? I mean, most games make it a requirement to at least beat up enemies, if not outright kill them, does that mean that the games are telling us it's okay to kill? This line of reason is very, very faulty in my eyes.

As for you saying that her complaining about the fact that you could beat up Anita in a flash game was hypocritical because of the fan fiction, I also disagree. You argue that if we say "The fan fiction is a joke" you could say that, by logic, all death threats written to Anita could follow under said joke and be easily dismissed. I would however argue that context is king here. If someone were to write a similar story in which, let's say Ridley Scott and Superman teamed up to kill Anita for making Tropes vs. Women. If Anita were to say that this story was sexist, THEN we would have a problem. However, the many death threats Anita received in comparison to this? Yeah, it isn't hypocritical.

Again, apologies for the weak writing.

 

[Tenkage]

EDIT: It has come to my attention that Anita has many supporters and think she can do no wrong. I present to you from her own Bible that is T.V. Tropes. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SacredCow The sacred cow trope.

http://femfreq.tumblr.com/
It has come to my attention that Anita Sarkeesian has posted on her tumbler a fanfiction in which she and Spider man team up to take down Gearbox, and has her shooting and killing Randy Pitchford, "For Alien's Colonel Marines". She is ok with this fanfiction. She posted it saying, "I kinda like it"

Is this ok? Don't know about you, but I don't think its ok. Because it shows she is a hypocrite, that its ok to kill someone you don't like. And to anyone who says, "You are just trying to hate on her" and "It's just a joke"

To the first, no I am not, people have gone to court for writing stories detailing themselves killing someone who is real. Just because she didn't write the story, she still condones it.

Two, by that logic, any of the death threats she has gotten, can be considered a joke, by that logic.

And to the Escapist, I don't care if you take down this forum and ban me. Because I am not promoting hate speech, I am just showing the facts, giving my opinion, and letting people who read this to come up with their own answer and opinion.

Alright, since you seem determined to pass off anyone who disagrees with your original post as someone who worships Anita as a god, let me start this response by saying that I often find that I disagree with Anita. I think that it is unfortunate that she is currently the face of women in representation in gaming because, no matter how hard others scream the opposite, their IS a problem with women in gaming. But with her in charge, everyone's actual criticisms get shoved as garbage because I'm on the same "side" as her.

Also, I'm not the best person to talk about this because I'm not the best writer, so if you're confused by my writing, just let me know.

That being said, I do think that you're reaching here. I do not think that, by showing fan fiction of her and Spider-man teaming up to kill the Gearbox director, means she thinks its okay to kill someone. By that logic, isn't all companies doing the exact same thing? I mean, most games make it a requirement to at least beat up enemies, if not outright kill them, does that mean that the games are telling us it's okay to kill? This line of reason is very, very faulty in my eyes.

As for you saying that her complaining about the fact that you could beat up Anita in a flash game was hypocritical because of the fan fiction, I also disagree. You argue that if we say "The fan fiction is a joke" you could say that, by logic, all death threats written to Anita could follow under said joke and be easily dismissed. I would however argue that context is king here. If someone were to write a similar story in which, let's say Ridley Scott and Superman teamed up to kill Anita for making Tropes vs. Women. If Anita were to say that this story was sexist, THEN we would have a problem. However, the many death threats Anita received in comparison to this? Yeah, it isn't hypocritical.

Again, apologies for the weak writing.

Well played, you gave a good arguement. Let us wait and see her reaction to the contriversy.

 

[xaszatm]

I fail to see the connection between fiction and murder.

I once wrote a fanfic where I killed off a character I didn't like. Difference between that and the fanfic that Anita endorsed. If I wrote that you walked up and killed the actor who played that character and you said, "I liked this story." You would be endorsing a death threat.

...I can't believe I'm going to be doing this but...

Well, take any parody movie like Airplane or Epic Movie *shudder* or Meet the Spartans *greater shudder*. They show parodies of actual still living people (well, at the time) being hurt and even killed, but that doesn't make the audience endorse a death threat. I believe the same applies here. Now if you excuse me, I must bathe myself in lava to get the fact that I just semi-defended those horrible movies away from me...

 

[Tenkage]

I fail to see the connection between fiction and murder.

I once wrote a fanfic where I killed off a character I didn't like. Difference between that and the fanfic that Anita endorsed. If I wrote that you walked up and killed the actor who played that character and you said, "I liked this story." You would be endorsing a death threat.

...I can't believe I'm going to be doing this but...

Well, take any parody movie like Airplane or Epic Movie *shudder* or Meet the Spartans *greater shudder*. They show parodies of actual still living people (well, at the time) being hurt and even killed, but that doesn't make the audience endorse a death threat. I believe the same applies here. Now if you excuse me, I must bathe myself in lava to get the fact that I just semi-defended those horrible movies away from me...

You are excused, and I understand *shivers*

 

[DragonStorm247]

I fail to see the connection between fiction and murder.

I once wrote a fanfic where I killed off a character I didn't like. Difference between that and the fanfic that Anita endorsed. If I wrote that you walked up and killed the actor who played that character and you said, "I liked this story." You would be endorsing a death threat.

False.

Fiction is not a death threat. If I endorsed the story, then I endorse it as a story. That is not the same thing as saying "I would do this in real life." Anita is a hypocrite if and only if she does not comprehend the difference between fiction an nonfiction, and I'm willing to be that she does

 

[shadowuser10141]

Neither are funny and both are bad, but for different reasons. The flash game is seen as bad is because Anita's cyberbullying. The flash game isn't critisism nor parody; it is just more cyberbullying. The Randy Pitchford fan fic, on the other hand, has no context and is just a random act of cartoon violence with the intent to parody. If you don't understand why context changes people's view on things, then your delusional.

If the flash game was simply a "random act of cartoon violence with the intent to parody", would people still white knight over it? Or would it not get as much attention from the gaming press like the Randy Pitchford fan fic?

And no, this isn't a case of "sacred cow". That trope is specifically for criticism and calling out flaws, not cyberbullying.

The entire Anita thing is a case of "sacred cow". Any criticism or calling out her flaws is met with "she has received death threads...etc" or simply personal insults/accusations of misogyny.

Did you even read what I wrote? Go back and read everything that I have written on this post. Then make a response when you want to have a civil conversation. If your response is civil and respectful towards me, then we will continue our discussion, but if you're still antagonizing and dismissive, then I'll probably laugh from my chair and ignore you.

How am I antagonizing you? Is antagonizing a form of cyberbullying?
If a form of media that depicted violence towards Anita was presented as a parody and not cyberbullying would that change people's views on things?
No, people would still white knight over it (more than anybody has done over Randy) because of who she is and not because of context.
That's not a dismissal it's a rebuttal.

If you're not going to reply then I am just going to assume you are backing out of the argument. "re-read my post" is just an anti-debating tactic that is as old as the internet.

 

[wulf3n]

I do not think that, by showing fan fiction of her and Spider-man teaming up to kill the Gearbox director, means she thinks its okay to kill someone.

I don't think anyone's saying that, just that It's kind of creepy to put something like that written about you on your website, especially when she of all people should understand how disrespectful and hurtful it is to glorify fictionalized violence against you just because you have an opinion they don't like.

 

[xPixelatedx]

If a developer makes a game you don't like? Go ahead, hate them all you want. But writing fanfiction about killing the head of said developer? No, you cannot in any way say that's an okay thing to do. It's just a fucking game, after all, and not even a very offensive one (as in it's not offensive in its message or anything like that) so there's no justification for this sort of desire at all.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with this, completely.

People are allowed to imagine killing whom ever the heck they want. Actually making threats at people is one thing.. and yeah, that's totally NOT OK. [small]I also won't even cover acting on the impulse to kill or hurt another, either, since that's not what this is about[/small]. People can however write stories or draw pictures about what ever the hell it is they want. Heck, I've seen TV shows kill off skeezy politicians before.

And no, I am not an Anita Sarkeesian fan trying to defend her. Just like Phil Fish, I see her as a manipulative person who enjoys hitting beehives just for the sympathy she'll receive from the inevitable stings. She can like (and even write if she wants) any story she wants about killing anyone. I honestly don't care if she personally wrote a story about giving all men on earth terminal penis cancer, right before she repopulates the earth with a giant alien queen egg sack in her hive. I'd even defend her right to do that, because I don't believe we should play 'thought police' on anyone. That's exactly what you're doing when you say "it's not ok to write a story about so&so".

 

[KissingSunlight]

I fail to see the connection between fiction and murder.

I once wrote a fanfic where I killed off a character I didn't like. Difference between that and the fanfic that Anita endorsed. If I wrote that you walked up and killed the actor who played that character and you said, "I liked this story." You would be endorsing a death threat.

...I can't believe I'm going to be doing this but...

Well, take any parody movie like Airplane or Epic Movie *shudder* or Meet the Spartans *greater shudder*. They show parodies of actual still living people (well, at the time) being hurt and even killed, but that doesn't make the audience endorse a death threat. I believe the same applies here. Now if you excuse me, I must bathe myself in lava to get the fact that I just semi-defended those horrible movies away from me...

There was a reason why you believe that what you were going to write was wrong. First and obvious reason, these movies were horrible and people were celebrating their hatred about real people. It was disgusting and wrong. Second reason why this argument is a fail, it was fictional characters killing and injuring real people. I guess this what separates decent people from other people without critical thinking and a conscience. If someone wrote a story that I would walk up and kill someone over a videogame, I would tell them to please take it down. I would not post on my site and endorse it.

 

[xaszatm]

I fail to see the connection between fiction and murder.

I once wrote a fanfic where I killed off a character I didn't like. Difference between that and the fanfic that Anita endorsed. If I wrote that you walked up and killed the actor who played that character and you said, "I liked this story." You would be endorsing a death threat.

...I can't believe I'm going to be doing this but...

Well, take any parody movie like Airplane or Epic Movie *shudder* or Meet the Spartans *greater shudder*. They show parodies of actual still living people (well, at the time) being hurt and even killed, but that doesn't make the audience endorse a death threat. I believe the same applies here. Now if you excuse me, I must bathe myself in lava to get the fact that I just semi-defended those horrible movies away from me...

There was a reason why you believe that what you were going to write was wrong. First and obvious reason, these movies were horrible and people were celebrating their hatred about real people. It was disgusting and wrong. Second reason why this argument is a fail, it was fictional characters killing and injuring real people. I guess this what separates decent people from other people without critical thinking and a conscience. If someone wrote a story that I would walk up and kill someone over a videogame, I would tell them to please take it down. I would not post on my site and endorse it.

Actually, the reason why I wrote it like that is because I DESPISE those movies as they weren't funny. It had nothing to do with the real person insults. Black humor can be incredibly funny. Unfunny Black Humor is horrid.

I do agree that Anita making a mention of the fan fiction was in poor taste. I disagree that she was endorsing a death threat though. Why do you think it is endorsing a death threat? As I'm confused by your reasoning.

EDIT: Also, here's a tip: don't assume anything. It can lead to bad results.

 

[Lieju]

I'm not a fan of revenge-fantasies directed at real people, but depends on the context. How many fanfics you have read about fans of Star Wars killing Lucas? If it's done in a satirical and clever manner, it can be fine. If it's done in a way that suggests a real threat of violence or is just offensive, it becomes creepy and possibly threatening.

But you are blowing this way out of proportion and making it seem like you just want to complain about Sarkeesian, whether you have any actual criticisms or not.

Easy, by putting it up onto her tumbler, not mentioning anything about the fact SHE KILLS A HUMAN BEING, it is clear she condones it. If she would put on her twitter she doesn't like the killing part, then I wouldn't put this on the forum.

I wrote a story where a man ends up killing his sister and then himself and put it on the net. Clearly this means I condone that in real life.

Actually, I have 'kinda liked' several stories that had murder and rape in them. So I guess this means I'm okay with mass murder and rape.

Let us wait and see her reaction to the contriversy.

She is probably laughing at the all the extra traffic and attention you (and other people like you) are directing at her way.