If you've got actual supernatural abilities, or if you're the main character in a movie, then sure. In real life? There's a reason why armies don't get into sword fights anymore.
...the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force...and perhaps a little duct tape, yeah.Rednog said:Hey if the Deathstar was built now, it would be unstoppable, a little duct tape over that terrible flaw and it is good to go. No desert boys shooting torpedoes into the deathstar ever again.madcap2112 said:Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed...Joe Matsuda said:no
nothing is practical when you have a deathstar on your side...
Yes, I noted the fact that vehicles were indeed present but within the fiction presented by the movies they were utterly useless when compared to the pathetic, modern equivalent. When air support is relegated to a small battery of anti-armor missiles and direct fire "laser" weaponry, one has to wonder just what they hoped to accomplish with such a payload. Modern aircraft deliver ordinance of far greater lethality from far greater range than was ever demonstrated in the movies. The vehicles that are presented on the ground present just as many problems. The AT-At for example wields a weapon that appears to be less effective at dispatching infantry than a simple MK-19 and oddly enough the vehicle can barely turn AND has a narrow field of fire. There are design compromises and then there are deathtraps waiting to happen - the AT-At falls decisively into the latter category. Some of the newer vehicles at least attept to present a purpose but you find vehicles that that odd two wheeled rocket launching vehicle fielded by the Droid armies and inevitably must be left wondering who the hell through it was a good idea to design a platform only useful on open ground that had a natural field of fire restricted to the direct front.awsome117 said:Actually, there are many MANY vehicles in the star wars universe, also very powerful. The thing about the light saber is, since every army uses lasers, they can be used as "deflectors" or shields. Also with force powers, have way beyond normal reflexes and senses, which makes them and the lightsaber a force (pun is obvious) to be reckoned with.
alright, alright, so we were overconfident that we would win and let our guard down...way down...madcap2112 said:...the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.Joe Matsuda said:what? the empire isn't so bad... I mean, have you seen the American Govt.?madcap2112 said:Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed...Joe Matsuda said:no
nothing is practical when you have a deathstar on your side...
And as I recall, the Empire was brought down by small, furry creatures. So, too, will the American Empire...but probably not.
I've run into the exact same problem when imagining a theoretical lightsaber, so this.Echer123 said:A lightsaber in real life would not have a stopping point.
It would just continue on in whichever direction it's pointed at.
Therefore, it would be completely useless, unless you had to take out an entire army.
Of course, I am a Sith Lord.Joe Matsuda said:oh yeah, do you have force lightning and force choke?
Right hate to burst your bubble but if you recheck the Star Wars: Clone Wars (the old animated version not the new CGI one) you will see that heavy artillery, close air support, heavy armor, coordinated black ops, and to a limited extent calvery charges play a key part of combat in the Star Wars universe. Even in attack of the Clones you can see the use of combined weapons both with close air support and long range artillery being used by the clones to blast through the droid armies. But your point stands and infact it goes a little bit farther.Eclectic Dreck said:The lightsabre is hardly a practical weapon. Effectively what you have a sword of infinite sharpness, but even an especially lethal sword is still noting BUT a sword. For those who have not noticed, most armies around the world relegated the weapon to a ceremonial role because in the face of the terrifying amounts of firepower on the modern battlefield, the ability to slash away at point blank is virtually irrelevent.
The weapon only gains a margin of utility when you consider it is traditionally wielded by people with magical superpowers. The ability of a sword to deflect a projectile is only handy if a person is capable of correctly predicting where a bullet will arrive because, thanks to a strange quirk of reality, bullets move far faster than a person. Even within the narrative of the universe, the weapon only retains it's utility because the entire concept of "combined arms" is utterly lost on the armies of the future past in a galaxy far, far away. Yes, there ARE vehicles present, but none of them are actually armed with weaponry with any serious amount of firepower. There does not appear to be any common weapon system (within the movies obviously) that fulfills the role of indirect fire, air support is about as effective as it was in the first world war and armored units are protected by flimsy bits of cracker. As such, the weapon becomes effective in the Star Wars universe because of a combination of magical super powers and an utter disregard for how a war is effectively fought.
but then..why were you...ahhh forget it...madcap2112 said:Of course, I am a Sith Lord.Joe Matsuda said:oh yeah, do you have force lightning and force choke?
I agree completely, I've only read a handful of Sci-Fi novels, and never seen a Scif-Fi movie/TV series, that addressed that current earth armies could beat their "empires" like red headed step children, they use tactics that were going out of fashion in the Napoleonic wars, carry slow firing in effective weapons, the list just goes on and on, if you know anything at all about tactics Sci-Fi battles make you /facepalmEclectic Dreck said:Yes, I noted the fact that vehicles were indeed present but within the fiction presented by the movies they were utterly useless when compared to the pathetic, modern equivalent. When air support is relegated to a small battery of anti-armor missiles and direct fire "laser" weaponry, one has to wonder just what they hoped to accomplish with such a payload. Modern aircraft deliver ordinance of far greater lethality from far greater range than was ever demonstrated in the movies. The vehicles that are presented on the ground present just as many problems. The AT-At for example wields a weapon that appears to be less effective at dispatching infantry than a simple MK-19 and oddly enough the vehicle can barely turn AND has a narrow field of fire. There are design compromises and then there are deathtraps waiting to happen - the AT-At falls decisively into the latter category. Some of the newer vehicles at least attept to present a purpose but you find vehicles that that odd two wheeled rocket launching vehicle fielded by the Droid armies and inevitably must be left wondering who the hell through it was a good idea to design a platform only useful on open ground that had a natural field of fire restricted to the direct front.awsome117 said:Actually, there are many MANY vehicles in the star wars universe, also very powerful. The thing about the light saber is, since every army uses lasers, they can be used as "deflectors" or shields. Also with force powers, have way beyond normal reflexes and senses, which makes them and the lightsaber a force (pun is obvious) to be reckoned with.
Moreover, the assertion that the armies in star wars are fielding lasers makes the concept of using a hand held implement as a "shield" even more laughable. Even if you grant jedi super human movement capabilities (as they obviously possess) you have to realize they can only block perhaps two shots arriving simultaneously and thanks to the speed at which the attack moves, you quickly realize they rely entirely on their capacity to predict where the shot will land before it is even fire.
But even this presents one with yet another argument that supports my assertion. Since the deflective capabilities of the weapon rely on countering an energy based attack, and it is known that you WILL face jedi from time to time, why does no army seem to field mass driver weapons (which exist in the star wars universe) to readily dispatch them? Yes, it may take several gunners to do the job but when the jedi is relgated to simply attempting to dodge an attack and is denied the use of their most potent form of defense, they would crumble quickly.
This is my point - the weapon is ONLY useful because those who wield it possess magical super powers and those who oppose them utterly refuse to actually come up with an effective plan to combat them when options already exist within the canon.
I like to keep my enemies confused.Joe Matsuda said:but then..why were you...ahhh forget it...madcap2112 said:Of course, I am a Sith Lord.Joe Matsuda said:oh yeah, do you have force lightning and force choke?