Demented Teddy said:
I wish. BTW forums, hows that hope and change working for yaDemented Teddy said:
Is America a mainly Conservative Country?
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I like you. You don't believe the cried of "Republicans are homophobes and racists!".Hunter2458 said:
You figure things out for yourself.
If anything the Left is more Racist, they want to remind every minority of how better off the 'White Man' is, creating programs to help minorities, but not enough to reach the 'Rich White Man' keeping them constantly angry at the 'Evil White Rich Republicans'. There are just as many White Rich Democrats too, and not to mention 80% of Celebrities too.Onyx Oblivion said:
There was no "pro-liberal media blitz" during that era. The irony is that you probably got that impression from watching Fox News, which is extremely conservative, especially in the view of people from other nations. The only really strong liberal TV figures in America are mostly comedians like Stephen Colbert and John Stewart, who I wouldn't count as a part of actual "media" since they're not often taken seriously. Read Doitpow's comments on this too, he's quite right to point out those facts. Take this from a Media Studies student: there is nothing very liberal about your country's media companies.mrhappyface said:
I agree with your main point that America is predominantly conservative, though. The important vantage point to take on this is to note how religious the nation is - Christianity dominates the US population in a way that is no longer seen in most first world Western nations. While there are liberal Christians, they are certainly in a minority among the massive population in the faith. It's amusing that America is seen as a "multicultural" nation, because it's barely multi-religious in any major way, and so conservatism and tradition rule quite powerfully in American politics.
In fact, the Democrats aren't "left-wing" at all, but centre-right. Just more left than the Republicans. Hopefully with time and good thinking about policy over fear, that will change.
The way you've noted the "Left" as the social "other" here amuses me. Have you ever really talked with a left-wing person in a friendly way? Have you ever really thought about their beliefs? Or do you just listen to Sarah Palin's rallies? Most of what you've said here is hardly representative of what common left-wing beliefs are - more a caricature.Hunter2458 said:
Right-wing politics has a tendency to coincide with racism in individuals, since the old world was more divided on racial lines and therefore to be traditionalist may also mean wanting segregation on the basis of race. So on an ideological level, it's actually the right that has that possibility, not the left.
I think the rich in general are a controlling elite in American politics, and they are a problem whatever their race. The fact that they tend to be white more often is just an obvious result of the current socio-economic problems in America. With changes in health care that will change in the long term, however, as better health means better work opportunities for people in disadvantaged situations, like being born in a ghetto.
As a journalist I make a point of watching every news source I can get my grubby mits on.Onyx Oblivion said:
Oh and for the record, I couldn't give a crap about video games in the mainstream of politics, it's the kind of hot button crap both parties drag out to try and impress terrified parents, no-ones going to do a damn thing either way.
Fox sell so well because they capitalise on infotainment and paranoia, go look at the Fox new webpage, no really go look i'll wait.Hunter2458 said:
Hmmm...what have we got here?
An attack on public healthcare in defense of big business...their words, not mine.
A defense of a defeated and publically humiliated right-wing candidate for vice president (shhh don't mention McCain, goddam commie, I heard he's actually regularly consulted by Obama's government.)
An unsourced account of rising threat from Hezbollah, because, wait for it a pakistani (for the record Hezbollah are a Lebanese organisation, have been linked to Iran, but never Pakistan) Cab driver apparently said "boom, boom, boom" (the only quote from him, you'd have though they would have found something more solid to quote him on. Also note no quotation from the defence, just the prosecution)
Yeah, no bias there at all
When 80% of the Media is Liberal (Including most if not all Foreign media outlets), and 20% of the Media is Conservative...it's really easy for people to say "Well everyone else thinks it's conservative too." And have you ever heard of Keith Olbermann? Bill Maher? They're Openly LiberalSilva said:
The Democrats, or more specifically the Progressive Democrats, are moving more left, and so are the Republicans. Both sides keep moving further left.
Honestly, the Us is very split most of the time. You can see that it mainly alternates back and forth between republican and democrat. also, the parties basically switched their political lines in the 1900's. before that the republicans were the progressive onces (freeing slaves and whatnot) and the democrats were still for segregation for a while. then they switched, democrats became the progressive ones (more rights, social security, medicaid, great society, now another health care thing), and the republicans are the one arguing against this stuff.
I still think its funny how republicans main platform is tax cuts for the wealthy, which can really screw over the poor, yet republicans can get a lot of poor people to vote for them.
I still think its funny how republicans main platform is tax cuts for the wealthy, which can really screw over the poor, yet republicans can get a lot of poor people to vote for them.
according to the US constitution it is. hence the whole majority vote thing and the bill passing and being signed. 50.0001% = good 'nuff.Hunter2458 said:
You can also see fox news claiming that everyone at the rallies are true patriots and are saving their country and then you can see some people at the rallies holding up signs that use racial and homophobic slurs against minorities and liberals (often mispelled).Hunter2458 said:
"Conservative" and "Liberal" labels are bullshit. Mostly the second one. They're there only to discredit the opposition.
For example: national healthcare plan over which people are currently raging is a "liberal" thing. But i find it hard to understand why socialist policies are considered "liberal", or why liberal politicans are called "commies". I thought communist states were pretty authoritarian, while "liberal" is a word derived from "liberty", if i'm not mistaken.
On the other side of things we have "conservatives". That makes a bit more sense - they want to "conserve" old values. But again, their rethoric about "American spirit", "American dream", and "American way" contradicts both itself (United States are supposed to be land of the free, right? Then where's sexual freedom?) and their reputation as heavy-handed authoritarian politicans and almost personification of The Man.
Just WTF is with all that? I do not know. Probably better to avoid politics, there's too much misinformation and retardation in there.
But to answer the question: despite particulary vocal religious nuts and rednecks, United States are pretty liberal compared to most countries, except for Netherlands (hoooo boy, do you see what i did there?)
For example: national healthcare plan over which people are currently raging is a "liberal" thing. But i find it hard to understand why socialist policies are considered "liberal", or why liberal politicans are called "commies". I thought communist states were pretty authoritarian, while "liberal" is a word derived from "liberty", if i'm not mistaken.
On the other side of things we have "conservatives". That makes a bit more sense - they want to "conserve" old values. But again, their rethoric about "American spirit", "American dream", and "American way" contradicts both itself (United States are supposed to be land of the free, right? Then where's sexual freedom?) and their reputation as heavy-handed authoritarian politicans and almost personification of The Man.
Just WTF is with all that? I do not know. Probably better to avoid politics, there's too much misinformation and retardation in there.
But to answer the question: despite particulary vocal religious nuts and rednecks, United States are pretty liberal compared to most countries, except for Netherlands (hoooo boy, do you see what i did there?)
I never said they weren't biased, just that the rest are, too. JUST GIVE ME THE FACTS, FUCK YOUR OPINION, ANCHORPERSON!Doitpow said:
And I hope She-Who-Will-Not-Be-Named dies in a fire.
America is exceedingly conservative when you consider the western world. A huge group of Americans are complaining that there is now a public option and that they have to have something that could save their lives when most of Europe has universal healthcare paid for by the government with no privatized option whatsoever.
Here, the word socialist is used as a general insult, whereas in Europe a significant percentage of the governments are controlled by Socialist International affiliated parties.
America is very conservative.
Here, the word socialist is used as a general insult, whereas in Europe a significant percentage of the governments are controlled by Socialist International affiliated parties.
America is very conservative.
The Democrats spend billions on things most Americans don't want to have done and restrictions on their economic & personal lives, and keep funding the Republican programs.
The Republicans... do the exact same thing.
The American political system locks in a two-party system.
Jeez, I wonder why most American's don't bother voting?
The Republicans... do the exact same thing.
The American political system locks in a two-party system.
Jeez, I wonder why most American's don't bother voting?
Where do these statistics come from? Do you have a source? I'm not convinced. They sound like they've been made up, because I know about the six corporations that own America's media and none of those have openly liberal majority owners.Hunter2458 said:
Secondly, it's the basis of popularity, not the basis of number of networks, that defines the media's conventional political leanings. While those figures are liberals, do they really approach the news in a liberal way in the newsroom in such a strong way as, say, Bill O'Reilly is conservative? Keep in mind, also, that conservatives are more likely to use television news to learn about current events than liberals, who predominantly use other sources, which means they're liking what they see more than liberals are (or else, media companies have more reason to cater to the conservative mindset). You also mention "foreign media", but that's very low in popularity in America compared to nationally based media. I studied this very topic only a few months ago.
I'm not convinced that the Republicans are moving more to the left at all. How many actually agreed to the health care plan? Zero. What were their objections? That it was "socialist". To me that implies that the party hasn't changed since Ronald Reagan was president, or if it has, it's gone right back to that era again.
I've honestly listened to maybe one Palin rally, and have more than one Liberal friend who I constantly debate with (never budging in either direction, agreeing to disagree)Silva said:
You're moreso proving my point, continuing to blame rich people for all our problems, personally claiming to care for the people in disadvantaged situations, believing they should be lifted out of that situation instead of pulling themselves out. If you pull them out then they never learn for themselves, they just keep expecting to keep getting pulled out. How often do people go OFF wellfare? How often do people go OFF foodstamps? They don't, they become dependent and decide "Why should I even try and earn myself money through work when someone is willing to give it to me for nothing?"
And your complaint about rich people in general is ironic since this country was founded, and Funded, by Rich people.
I honestly don't see your bias, but let's play your game.Doitpow said:
From CNN.com (Just headlines)
"Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing"
"Gay prom teen hated, lauded"
"Palin pokes fun at Obama"
Msnbc talks about Basketball, and more about Palin supporting McCain, geez everyone is talking about Palin again.
Yeah. WHY IS THAT?!Hunter2458 said:
Seriously, I can't think of any reason to mention her. EVER.
She gives the right a bad name.
That and the Democrats used to support racial legislation in the south. Everything got switched around during the 20th C.HG131 said:
Compared to the rest of the western world, the United States is decidedly conservative. Compare to say, Canada, the Democratic party has roughly the same outlook as our Conservative party, with more extreme examples ressembling the Liberal party (which are center left anyway). However, There are no main stream parties in the States that have anything like the left wing policies of the New Democratic Party or the Bloc Quebecois. (that I know of)