Is anyone else starting to get annoyed by Square Enix?
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I have lost faith in most publishers, to me the FF series started to decline during it's "emo" phase which is from FF7 onwards.
because the OP is 100% american right...?lasting_Child said:
and America isn't the biggest gaming market...nope. would've never thought that...
America, fuck yeah.
nice try though.
I've seen his posts around, and he types in American English, I know this is a little presumptuous, but you know. Yeah, but their American fans are fickle, their Japanese fans love everything they put out, they're making the smartest move they can.JochemDude said:
Sorry about this, but I'm going to copy paste a later post here, but,
"Yeah, it sucks, but they have to work with what they have you know? The guy who made Kingdom Hearts is also the guy who is making Final Fantasy Verses XIII. So fans have been pissed at him for abandoning Verses XIII to keep working on Kingdom Hearts game, and now that he's working on Verses XIII fans are pissed at him for abandoning Kingdom Heart 3. He's in a bad situation, it's sad that one of his games has such huge hype, and one of his game series is a massive success, he's kinda torn, but he's one guy, he can't direct two games at once. He really needs a break on this, I feel for him. When he proposed Verses XIII he didn't know how big Kingdom Hearts would actually explode into."
Not really, it's mixed (leaning towards dislike) in the US from what I can see, it was pretty neutral here in Australia, and why not make a sequel, it's both a chance to redeem FFXIII in the west, and make huge bank in Japan.
I've seen OP's posts around, he types in American English, a little presumptuous, but, you know. I can't tell if that was sarcastic or not, in case it wasn't, for Square Enix, their biggest market is in Japan, not America. If it was sarcastic, I know a lot of people realise this, but a lot of people whinge and complain and say that FFXIII was hated and FFVII is the most profitable to remake, it's really not, because that's the western perception, but they make their money from Japan.gmaverick019 said:
I liked it. >_>Steppin Razor said:
OT: Eh. I don't really care about what Square Enix does. By the looks of the gameplay footage of a pre-release version of FFXIV though, it doesn't look very good at all. Of course that's just me.
I don't know. Zidane seemed to kept things together as well.mikey7339 said:
Oh american english? Alright, i'll make sure to look down on him right away then.lasting_Child said:
and respective to square enix, yeah japan is, but that's not what i said.
So because someone wants their favorite game remade, which nearly always is misunderstood as whining over the internet, you instantly blame americans/or the generalizing sweep of "western perception"? Nice stuff there, you might just deserve a gold star for the day.
I like many can say I've played the majority of the FF games that came out. I never played 9 simply because I watched someone else play and wasn't interested. I will point out I said "played" I'll also admit I left afew unfinished. Among the unfinished FFs is 13. One reason for this is that I've been busy,another is that more games came out and I easily get distracted. But those points aside I lost some interest quickly. The overall feeling of the game wasn't there for me. It was like playing an action game with RPG elements. No control of your squad mates sounds good, but I rather it was an option and not default. I feel guilty getting it at midnight and having it get dusty on my shelf, but it's not alone in the sense alot of my games go unplayed of late.
FF14 is an MMO, that alone gains it plenty of ire. But after playing it I can't see anything too wrong with it. It's actually quite nice looking, they're still messing with the battle system and upgrading combat controls. Don't think it anyone from WoW will abandon ship for it, and most people don't like true MMOs. It's all about freeplay with micro transactions.
FF14 is an MMO, that alone gains it plenty of ire. But after playing it I can't see anything too wrong with it. It's actually quite nice looking, they're still messing with the battle system and upgrading combat controls. Don't think it anyone from WoW will abandon ship for it, and most people don't like true MMOs. It's all about freeplay with micro transactions.
I never said to look down on him, that's my justification for calling him American, nice straw man.gmaverick019 said:
Well the only thing I said contrary to America not being the biggest gaming market was in relation to Square Enix, nice misinterpretation.
Oh wow, another straw man? OP said nothing about it, I argued against OPs points and then went on to address larger generalisation, yes I was wrong for blaming Americans in the beginning, that's why I changed it to western, and you still weren't happy. I never said they weren't generalisations.
Seriously, if you straw man me in the next post, I'm not going to reply.
Let me show you two games from massive franchises, after which I ask that you tell me which scenario you think Final Fantasy (Specifically, Versus 13) will fall under:
The Last Guardian -- Developed for an ungodly amount of time, but overwhelmingly expected to be good, purely citing the developer's high standards of excellence; Little to no information has seen the light of day. The verdict is out on this one.
Duke Nukem Forever -- Developed for a notoriously ridiculed amount of time, and overwhelmingly expected to never be released. After switching hands and trailers a few times, it finally proved it's critics wrong. To the horror of everyone.
The Last Guardian -- Developed for an ungodly amount of time, but overwhelmingly expected to be good, purely citing the developer's high standards of excellence; Little to no information has seen the light of day. The verdict is out on this one.
Duke Nukem Forever -- Developed for a notoriously ridiculed amount of time, and overwhelmingly expected to never be released. After switching hands and trailers a few times, it finally proved it's critics wrong. To the horror of everyone.
I love Square Enix's games, XIV was always meant to be on both PC and Ps3 just letting you know, they just released it on PC first and realised it was a failure and then delayed the Ps3 version indefinitely.
Knowing how many games they've actually developed this gen on consoles that have been released, The Last Remnant, Final Fantasy XIII, Dissidia: Final Fantasy and The World Ends With You being about it excluding the Wii and Mario Basketball I can honestly say I love all three of these games and how innovative, unusual and different they are, the four of them aren't perfect by far and have plenty of faults but there are so many games that don't challenge their genres that have more faults so it's forgivable.
Going for what they've published, well I'm enjoying Star Ocean IV: The Last Hope, Dragon Quest IX and Deus Ex: Human Revolution quite a lot this month and I'm really looking forward to Versus XIII, Thief 4, the new Tomb Raider, Batman: Arkham City, Kingdom Hearts: DDD and even a few others, not to mention the release of two great quality Facebook games.
Square Enix are my favourite developer and publisher and I feel they still have a lot going for them and get too much flak...especially from the guys who say all their games are the same (those guys didn't research before making that comment).
The only developer I've lost respect for massively this gen is Capcom, Sega are going back up in my opinion, Konami are staying the same and while American's can hate Nintendo all they want, they've been nothing but nice to us in England.
Knowing how many games they've actually developed this gen on consoles that have been released, The Last Remnant, Final Fantasy XIII, Dissidia: Final Fantasy and The World Ends With You being about it excluding the Wii and Mario Basketball I can honestly say I love all three of these games and how innovative, unusual and different they are, the four of them aren't perfect by far and have plenty of faults but there are so many games that don't challenge their genres that have more faults so it's forgivable.
Going for what they've published, well I'm enjoying Star Ocean IV: The Last Hope, Dragon Quest IX and Deus Ex: Human Revolution quite a lot this month and I'm really looking forward to Versus XIII, Thief 4, the new Tomb Raider, Batman: Arkham City, Kingdom Hearts: DDD and even a few others, not to mention the release of two great quality Facebook games.
Square Enix are my favourite developer and publisher and I feel they still have a lot going for them and get too much flak...especially from the guys who say all their games are the same (those guys didn't research before making that comment).
The only developer I've lost respect for massively this gen is Capcom, Sega are going back up in my opinion, Konami are staying the same and while American's can hate Nintendo all they want, they've been nothing but nice to us in England.
There are many AAA developers/publishers that have been annoying me lately, in fact most of them have; and Square-Enix no more so than any of the others. They're all making questionable decisions and churning out lackluster games. The one at which the majority of my ire is directed currently is EA. No more shall you get any of MY money EA.
*ugh*lasting_Child said:
i hope you do realize i was doing that on purpose, right?
I don't disagree with your opinions nor sources, i disagreed with the fact that you were turning your post into a "stupid american *scoff*" post.
chillax bud ;]
It's all in good jest
My opinion on the matter is pretty much the same as Veldt Falsetto posted above, they do develop some great titles that I have enjoyed over the years, and now also seem to be doing an alright job as a publisher, I have yet to hear of any complaints from devs about SE making demands/restrictions on their games.
Most of the games I have that SE have published and not developed are great games, JC2, DE:HR, Disgaea 3, to name but a few.
Frankly, as much as I also disliked the direction they took FF13 you cannot deny it was an extremely successful game, and 13-2 looks like it will at least be improved in a few ways. (get rid of that fucking blue trousers dude though)
As stated many times, 14 was always planned to be a Ps3 release and had the Pc release not been so utterly terrible for bugs and problems it would have been out on the ps3 my now anyway. (pretty sure it was originally slated for a march release? not 100%)
Oh, and the whole "Final Fantasy games are all emo from 7 onwards" is little more than a meme used by the sort of sheep that haven't even played through the crap they are moaning about. It is overused, old, does not make you cool, and to be honest it isn't even remotely accurate.
You don't like the games, we get it people, but at least use a genuine criticism and a personal opinion as to why you don't, not just something funny you saw in a flash cartoon or video review once and so copy/paste it to the entire series past the "kool cos they oldskool" titles of the series.
Most of the games I have that SE have published and not developed are great games, JC2, DE:HR, Disgaea 3, to name but a few.
Frankly, as much as I also disliked the direction they took FF13 you cannot deny it was an extremely successful game, and 13-2 looks like it will at least be improved in a few ways. (get rid of that fucking blue trousers dude though)
As stated many times, 14 was always planned to be a Ps3 release and had the Pc release not been so utterly terrible for bugs and problems it would have been out on the ps3 my now anyway. (pretty sure it was originally slated for a march release? not 100%)
Oh, and the whole "Final Fantasy games are all emo from 7 onwards" is little more than a meme used by the sort of sheep that haven't even played through the crap they are moaning about. It is overused, old, does not make you cool, and to be honest it isn't even remotely accurate.
You don't like the games, we get it people, but at least use a genuine criticism and a personal opinion as to why you don't, not just something funny you saw in a flash cartoon or video review once and so copy/paste it to the entire series past the "kool cos they oldskool" titles of the series.
Nah, not really.
Only thing that annoys me about Square-Enix is that they're working with huge budgets yet they keep churning out incredibly mediocre games with awful, awful writing. I honestly can't think of any JRPG with worse dialogue or plotting than Final Fantasy XIII. If there are any remotely competent writers on that dev team, then they're probably being harassed and beaten by the rest of the staff.
Granted, that's only one game. I'll have to wait and see what happens with Versus, Type-0 and XIII-2.
Only thing that annoys me about Square-Enix is that they're working with huge budgets yet they keep churning out incredibly mediocre games with awful, awful writing. I honestly can't think of any JRPG with worse dialogue or plotting than Final Fantasy XIII. If there are any remotely competent writers on that dev team, then they're probably being harassed and beaten by the rest of the staff.
Granted, that's only one game. I'll have to wait and see what happens with Versus, Type-0 and XIII-2.
Yeah, and the syntax and dialect between written words of the English language are SO massive that it is easily to sort out one's nationality. Right. Also, I just love how you generalize all Americans as butt hurt FFVII fanboys... its freaking hilarious.lasting_Child said:
Final Fantasy XIII has a metacritic score of 83% percent with several top critics giving scores below 8/10. Also, if FFXIII hadn't gone multiplatform, it would have been one of the lowest selling main Final Fantasy game ever as well as the lowest selling FF since before FFVII. This doesn't even take into account the fact that the original sales goal was well over ten million copies sold (they said they expected it to greatly surpass Final Fantasy VII, which sold close to 9.75 million copies). They only changed that goal to six million after the initial reception. So really, it wasn't all that well received outside of Japan. (Just to let you know, I actually did like the game...well, Lightning became my favorite character and the combat was excellent...but the story was complete bollux. Just letting you know so you don't take the whole "haterz gonna h8t" route).
Also, America made up almost 40% of all Final Fantasy XIII sales while Japan made up around 31% of all Final Fantasy XIII sales with 29% of sales coming from Europe and Asia. Not listening the the Western market is a dumb idea if one goes by your logic. Also, let's take a look at how well Square Enix's current business model has treated them...over $194,602,500 in lost revenue...looks like they are about to collapse (they've been losing money like this for the past five or six years now).
There was no excuse for the utter garbage the FFXVI turned out to be. The only reason this happened was because Square Enix refused to give the development team any extra time and forced them to release a blatantly unfinished and unready game to the public. They lost something like 80 million dollars on this one and have already announced that it will take another full year to get everything up to par. Let me reiterate...Square Enix released a game that needed another TWO FULL YEARS of development. Again, there is no excuse.
What does KH III have to do with anything? If you look at it that way...that means that for six years... Normura has been working on a game that hasn't even been announced yet while putting off another game that has been in production for the past six years. Once again, poor management.
To reiterate, Japan only made up 31% of overall sales and was basically the only place where critics praised the game as the best FF... so saying that one poll in a magazine shows that the whole world (sans America) loves the game is hilarious.
Nah, they just have a LOT of monkeys with typewriters... and one editor. The editor should be praised for taking all that shit and making it relatively comprehensible.mireko said:
Am I annoyed with Squeenix? Honestly yes I am. I want my Kingdom Hearts 3 and it's well past time for it to have hit. If you didn't want to make the game or weren't sure when you were going to get around to it then you're game should have had a solid end that felt like an ending. I didn't cry for the ten years I didn't get Street Fighter 4 because Capcom made me no promise (implied or otherwise) that I would get a 4. If Final Fantasy 15 never happens I won't cry because aside from the most general no promise of said title has been made.
I can get behind the dislike of XII (I haven't played XIII yet) because the game kinda played itself. I just set up the gambits and went to make a sandwich. Heck since my heroes were automatically targetting the next baddie and it was rare that the monsters were behind us they'd kinda navigate the dungeons while I ate. Still it was solid enough.
I want my remake of six on my DS. Right now. Everybody else 1-5 has gotten it by now and I want mine. Then just keep going and remake everything. I'm kind of in the club that things every (worthwhile) game should if not be remade every other cycle at least re-released on modern systems.
I can get behind the dislike of XII (I haven't played XIII yet) because the game kinda played itself. I just set up the gambits and went to make a sandwich. Heck since my heroes were automatically targetting the next baddie and it was rare that the monsters were behind us they'd kinda navigate the dungeons while I ate. Still it was solid enough.
I want my remake of six on my DS. Right now. Everybody else 1-5 has gotten it by now and I want mine. Then just keep going and remake everything. I'm kind of in the club that things every (worthwhile) game should if not be remade every other cycle at least re-released on modern systems.
Am I annoyed with Ennix? A little. Some of their games are still reletively good, but there are a few black marks from them right now -
1) Front Mission Evolved. Just...Front Mission Evolved. The PC port at least was godawful, but even from there the game is cliche upon cliche, with sone or two accidental innuendo's at points (Wanzers - seriously?).
2) Their attitude towards DLC. They did this with FME, and it looks like they're doing it to Deus Ex: Human Revolution. With FME, it was to do with crappy pricing - £3 for 2 Wanzers. Nothing else. That really should have cost half that amount tops. And then with Deus Ex, it's the cut content they're shilling back to us in every penny. The two DLC packs on Steam? Both of those are what's missing from your Augmented Edition packs! The upcoming "new" DLC I also have a nasty feeling is content that was deliberately cut out just so it could be shilled back to us as DLC, as will a lot of future DLC.
1) Front Mission Evolved. Just...Front Mission Evolved. The PC port at least was godawful, but even from there the game is cliche upon cliche, with sone or two accidental innuendo's at points (Wanzers - seriously?).
2) Their attitude towards DLC. They did this with FME, and it looks like they're doing it to Deus Ex: Human Revolution. With FME, it was to do with crappy pricing - £3 for 2 Wanzers. Nothing else. That really should have cost half that amount tops. And then with Deus Ex, it's the cut content they're shilling back to us in every penny. The two DLC packs on Steam? Both of those are what's missing from your Augmented Edition packs! The upcoming "new" DLC I also have a nasty feeling is content that was deliberately cut out just so it could be shilled back to us as DLC, as will a lot of future DLC.