Is autism a mental disease?

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Thaluikhain

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BonsaiK said:
Aspergers isn't just "I'm antisocial and don't have a lot of empathy", it's much, much more.
Except when it isn't. The spectrum is wide and covers all sorts of things.

Dom Kebbell said:
Research that linked Autism to the MMR was basically faked to satisfy the people that commissioned it. there is no link to environmental factors, even the paper has been withdrawn.
It has been proven though, or rather someone went on Oprah once and said it was true, which was taken as being proof by hordes of people. Leading to lots of people choosing not to vaccinate their kids, which totally won't cause problems later on.

dragonslayer32 said:
ie anything a male brain can do better than a female brain, autistic people can do it even better
You mean nothing? Such differences are purely cultural, there's no reason why autism should follow cultural trends.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Dom Kebbell said:
Research that linked Autism to the MMR was basically faked to satisfy the people that commissioned it. there is no link to environmental factors, even the paper has been withdrawn.
It has been proven though, or rather someone went on Oprah once and said it was true, which was taken as being proof by hordes of people. Leading to lots of people choosing not to vaccinate their kids, which totally won't cause problems later on.
Pretty much why the doctor that authored it got disbarred from practicing medicine.

OT. No Autism is not a disease any more than intelligence is.
 

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So... questions, comments, arguments, funny stories. People with or without. I've really considered it to be an "ignored issue" in society as people consider it a disease like any other (and some go one step worse and say a curable one), so I want to hear anything that anyone has to say on the issue. Honestly, anything is better than completely ignoring the fact that it is one.
I can only see having Aspergers to be a bonus for me. Not just mentioning my extraordinary capabilities to keep myself organized mentally and physically...

Since in Sweden, I can, WHENEVER I WANT, just grab a reserved apartment and be damned to caution.
Oh yes, we get random apartments reserved, normal folk have to wait their turn. Some kind of law that enforces some benefits for our kind of folk.
(Of course, you still got to pay and be mature and all that jazz. Just that I never have to bother searching nor waiting.)

It's also quite funny to suddenly say "Sorry sir, I have Aspergers" to someone yelling at you. They will change their face and tone quite hasty, depending HOW you told him.
Never seems to work twice though... Sad.

Frankly, I have seen myself justify after Aspergers a lot less, "it's not that serious" and all that have lingered daftly away... *Coff* bribery *coff*

I suspect that the peeps with Autism gains higher benefits however. But that I'd salute, because after having gone through middle-school for 3 years with a class mixed with mental illnesses, I have seen some people that would find themselves struggling to be social.
 

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Speaking as an autistic myself, ASD is not a mental disease. That implies that you would be better off without the "disease" and I'm not sure if I'd be any happier as a normal person. A better term to describe ASD would be a mental disorder, as that is what the D stands for officially. And when is someone going to tell Yahtzee that Aspergers' is not ADHD?

Also, wow, a lot of Aspies visit the forums. No bigotry intended
 

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Sniperyeti said:
It seems likely you underestimate the effects of serious autism. You claim to have understood your condition of aspergers since you were 8, my autistic brother was still learning to put more than two words together in a sentence at that age...
Whoever you are replying to is lots more in the right than you are. I have Autism myself, as mentioned in my last post, and I was so proficient in reading and writing at half that age I was teaching my OLDER BROTHER how to read. I can barely remember it was so long ago.
 
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Definition [http://www.autism.org.uk/en-gb/about-autism/autism-and-asperger-syndrome-an-introduction/what-is-autism.aspx]

Best Fictional Representation : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curious_Incident_of_the_Dog_in_the_Night-Time

Rainman's view of autism is as accurate as A Beautiful Mind's Manic-Depression. I.E. Not.

Savantics (a rare case of Autism) allows rapid learning in one particular area (usually maths). This makes them capable of incredible feats of maths, but leaves them with an OCD relating to counting.
 

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Toby Watts said:
Speaking as an autistic myself, ASD is not a mental disease. That implies that you would be better off without the "disease" and I'm not sure if I'd be any happier as a normal person. A better term to describe ASD would be a mental disorder, as that is what the D stands for officially. And when is someone going to tell Yahtzee that Aspergers' is not ADHD?

Also, wow, a lot of Aspies visit the forums. No bigotry intended
Waaait Yahtzee realy doesnt know that O-o. i mean its fairly much Opposite of eachother. well a lot of times it is. also im sure That ADHD is not an Autistic "?condition?". also a problem is that people with ADHD are generalised as being always overly hyperactive.
 

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I got ADD, which I wasn't diagnosed with until I was right about to start high school. My school years before this were rather miserable, because I had tons of problems(forgetting homework, misunderstanding intructions, being unable to focus during long periods of time and I was always exhausted when I got home. I honestly thought I was just stupid.
Now that I got the diagnose, I get the help I need, I can better handle my issues and endorse the positive sides(I'm rather creative for example), so I don't really know if disease is the right word for it. It's a mental disorder, as I understand it, but usually it's possible to handle it and medicate if it's needed - although every case is different so different needs apply.

I really can't speak for anyone but myself - but me getting my diagnose has improved my life tremedously, especially socially and in school. And I wouldn't be me if I didn't have my faults, so I'm not at all bothered by it. I understand why I have my problems and can turn them to my advantage.
 

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Seraniel said:
Waaait Yahtzee realy doesnt know that O-o. i mean its fairly much Opposite of eachother. well a lot of times it is. also im sure That ADHD is not an Autistic "?condition?". also a problem is that people with ADHD are generalised as being always overly hyperactive.
Possibly it is best not to take what Yahtzee says too seriously some times. I don't think he even knows a prostitute with three vaginas.
 

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My mom thought I was autistic, Because I liked analyzing things.. And I got good at it eventually. Good times indeed.
 

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I don't like it when people say: "You don't have autism!" like it's a soothing thing. It's not a soothing thing! It means: "You're weird, weak and talk funny for no reason!"

When I told someone I had autism at highschool she replied: "But you're not agressive..."
':| 'agressive'?

It seems her brother had a different kind of autism, causing agressive behaviour.
 

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I believe it's classified as a development disorder.

"Autism" is excessively broad though, from light Asperger to severe infantile Autism crippling intellect, language, and the ability to even take care of oneself.
 

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Autism isn't a disease it is classified as a "disorder".

You can't just throw people with a disability into a melting pot and treat or interact with them as if they were all the same. Everyone is a individual, treat them as such.
 

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BonsaiK said:
Drake_Dercon said:
I have asperger syndrome, or high-functioning autism (to what is considered a mild degree).
I think autism and aspergers is vastly over-diagnosed depending on country. In places like the USA there's an obsession with diagnosis and people seem to throw around the "A word" like hotcakes compared to other countries. Many other countries only have a few thousand Aspergers cases each. I can see the temptation that both patients and doctors may have to want to "name that illness" - for the doctor it means they can prescribe things and feel like they've done something worthwhile, and not feel like they're profited from wasting the patient's time, for the patient it's extra comfort because if they can define something and put a label on it, it then becomes easier to deal with both practically and psychologically, it's better than running around thinking to yourself "something's wrong with me but I don't know what". In my opinion though, most autism cases that are "mild" are in fact not autism at all, rather they're just someone who hasn't learned certain social skills but has instead invested that mental energy somewhere else, like a pursuit or hobby etc. I've worked with genuinely autistic people before and there's sure one hell of a difference between them and someone capable of making an articulate argument on an Internet forum. Just going on the standards of definition for autism where I live, actual austistic people who are even aware enough of themselves to say "yes, I'm autistic" and understand exactly what that means, let alone type about it, are shockingly rare. So it's very weird for me to see post after post on Internet forums from people claiming autism.

The brain is like a muscle - exercise certain parts of it,and those parts will grow. Don't use certain parts and those parts will atrophy from lack of use. In the case of "mild" autistic people, I think that a lot of these people are just a bit socially stunted, just like I was when growing up, and if those people made themselves interact more socially they would probably get over their "autism" quicksmart given enough time and practice. They'd probably also correspondingly get worse at some of their special "autistic" skills as the brain rewires itself accordingly.
you... i... wow, i.. have no words. this restores some of my faith in the internet.
my girlfriend agrees.
WHERE ARE YOU FROM AND CAN I MOVE THERE
 

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Asperger's is a disease as the brain is not functioning within the 'normal' parameters derived from the average.
My brother has medium to high functioning Autism, exacerbated by speech problems. He's just turned eighteen and can only now, after a lot of help, walk to a specific building on his own.
The issue isn't whether or not it is a disease, because it is, which is a medically established fact.
The issue is how severe, and the impact on your life.
 

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iLikeHippos said:
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I can only see having Aspergers to be a bonus for me. Not just mentioning my extraordinary capabilities to keep myself organized mentally and physically...

Since in Sweden, I can, WHENEVER I WANT, just grab a reserved apartment and be damned to caution.
Oh yes, we get random apartments reserved, normal folk have to wait their turn. Some kind of law that enforces some benefits for our kind of folk.
(Of course, you still got to pay and be mature and all that jazz. Just that I never have to bother searching nor waiting.)

It's also quite funny to suddenly say "Sorry sir, I have Aspergers" to someone yelling at you. They will change their face and tone quite hasty, depending HOW you told him.
Never seems to work twice though... Sad.

Frankly, I have seen myself justify after Aspergers a lot less, "it's not that serious" and all that have lingered daftly away... *Coff* bribery *coff*

I suspect that the peeps with Autism gains higher benefits however. But that I'd salute, because after having gone through middle-school for 3 years with a class mixed with mental illnesses, I have seen some people that would find themselves struggling to be social.
Your good fortune would stem more from being Scandinavian than aspie, I think. It would pose a significant challenge in many other places.

If not already occupied, can certainly recommend also taking advantage of the excellent access to free higher education and increased government grants to those with diagnosed development disorders though. Life is long, and a reserved apartment on government welfare hardly a worthwhile end goal.
 

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Autism, including Asperger's Syndrome, is not a 'disease' in it's current definition. It is a condition or disorder, and is better defined as a disability, like losing the ability to walk. it is not contagious - it is developed through genetic disposition or physical/mental trauma (i.e. brain damage and/or nervous breakdown).

There IS a tendancy for Autism and Asperger's Syndrome to be over diagnosed, and this is for two main reasons - firstly, in places where healthcare is paid for, it allows the specialists to make money. Secondly, it gives those suffering from it justification for acts that they might not otherwise get away with, and generally makes things easier for everyone - people don't have to treat those suffering from Autism and Asperger's the same as everyone else, thus they can care about them less.

That said, there is no doubt that Autism and Asperger's Syndrome is a genuine condition, that has a profound effect on many people's lives, just like many other forms of mental illness and learning disability, which are often treated similarly in the fact that they are invisible illnesses that are rarely seen and often cause great misery for people affected by them until they are properly diagnosed and treated, if not cured.

The main issue is that we are more than just thinking machines. The majority of our cognative differences, our identities and personalites, comes from our experiences. But you get beyond that, into the subconscious, where we don't really have too much control over our thoughts, actions, and impulses, and here is where the issues lie. No matter how much you try and teach someone with Autism and Asperger's something, even if they really want to learn it, if it's within the scope of their condition, it will be beyond them. They might understand the reasons why they should, how they should, and so forth - but that doesn't mean they are able to.

And, s0denone, don't worry about it - it's fairly standard for Asperger's Syndrome to feel like that. You'll probably still feel the same when you are 30 - I know I do. You've just got to try and not let it get to you - and not let people get to you. You will think and feel differently, and you need to embrace that. The majority of humanity has a tendency to act like dicks towards each other, yet only spot when others act like dicks to them, rarely admitting when they act like dicks to other people. There are those few that don't, naturally, and while most people believe they belong in this category, the majority of them fail to remain in it for very long.

In my experience, those with Asperger's and related issues tend to be amongst the best people, simple because they simply don't bother with all the complexity that human society tries to bring to life. But in reality, things can really be THAT simple, if you want them to be, and ignoring the rules of society is very much a good thing. Most creative thinkers fall into this category. You'll probably get moaned at a lot for being inappropriate and crossing the line, but in most cases, those with Asperger's, including myself, will simply look around confused, shrug, and say "There was a line? Where? Oh, I'm sorry," before wandering off and carrying on as normal. You'll get a lot of people hate you simply because you'll make them look and feel bad - you'll make them unable to avoid the fact that they are being dicks, even when they are trying to dehumanise you by calling you a dick.

In the end, it doesn't matter - they'll change the goal posts so much to fit their own ends you won't even bother playing by their rules. You'll create your own - and in time, you'll come to be happy with them, so happy that others will be jealous and wonder why they can't do that. The trick is that they can - once they stop trying to fit in with those ever-changing goal posts and being dicks to everyone else.

So, you think your mother should have got an abortion - you are probably right. I was declared a phantom and died while within my mother's womb, and wish I stayed dead. Life and fate conspired otherwise. There's a multitude of children born every day into a world and a life they neither wanted nor asked for, and given the choice, would wish for exactly the same thing. But they are here now - we are here now. We have two choices - be dicks to others because we wish we weren't here, which pretty much sums up the majority of the human race, or seek out ways to be happy and make the world better for others. We're the ones to do it - we don't just cross the lines and break the rules, we don't even SEE them!