Is chivalry dead?

[Altorin]

The idea of chivalry makes sexist men think they can somehow act nice to get past the defenses of women and when it doesn't work, they get indignant, and feel that they deserve some sort of cookie for being nice.

See, a lot of people have stated this but this appears to miss the point that the anti-chivalry crowd I'm espousing are stating. I'm not arguing that chivalry is bad because it's manipulative; people are all manipulative whether or not they like to admit it. I'm saying that chivalry is bad because it is ideologically worthless; it achieves nothing that can't be done in a way that wouldn't entail enforcing gender roles upon the unwilling. Unless there's some valid justification as to why women deserve different treatment to men (and 'I want to sleep with them' isn't good enough unless you want to sleep with all women) then there's simply no logical reason for chivalry.

I appreciate that your views may differ, I'm not trying to say that mine is 'the only' good reason to dislike chivalry.

I agree with you. I was just saying there is an actual solid real world application reason to abolish chivalry. It gives especially manipulative men an outlet and a shield.

 

[Andrew_Mac]

I don't think chivalry is dead...
I always make sure that any girl i'm with gets home safely. I walked a girl home last week and cos the metro was down i had to walk back home. 5 hours from midnight till 5. she doesn't know or care. But i'm not going to tell her. i don't see why i should.

 

[Andrew_Mac]

I don't think chivalry is dead...
I always make sure that any girl i'm with gets home safely. I walked a girl home last week and cos the metro was down i had to walk back home. 5 hours from midnight till 5. she doesn't know or care. But i'm not going to tell her. i don't see why i should.

 

[Lagslayer]

it's definately dead. all boys care about is sex, which turns women into sluts with low self esteem. I feel like the only gentleman in a sea of animals. and as for feminists who don't want the door held for them, I say they should accept gender difference, rather than trying to claim that men and women are EXACTLY the same. they're not. get over it.

I'd say the sluttiness killed chivalry instead of the other way around.

 

[DefinitelyPsychotic]

Times have changed, and so has chivalry.

 

[Kashrlyyk]

Being overly nice to women just because they are women is sexist.

And again I ask: Is being nice to one race because of their race racist?

Missing the point again, actually you missed the word here: overly.

Chivalry is not about being nice to someone, it is about being nicer to someone because of gender.

So if you ask: Is it racist to be nicer to someone because of the race? Yes, it is.

Doesn't your question imply that you are not as nice to someone else if he/she is of a different/"wrong" race?

 

[Merkavar]

The problem with Chivalry is that it is aimed only at women. I hold the door open for everyone and anyone who is nearby. Old men, young men, old women, young women.

There is a better name for Chivalry that fits well in equal society. Politeness and manners.

pretty much this.

chivalry is dead cause it only works where men are superior and women are 2nd class citizens. so either women forget about chivalry or submit to men again like they did in the 50s.

 

[Merkavar]

If the sole reason is because they're Aboriginal. Otherwise maybe not.

Thank God, someone who thinks. Okay, but there's still no clear distinction between the two. You can make an argument that because they're Aboriginal then they have a lower life expectancy, thus deserve more help. What of that?

Well if it's about lower life expectancy then all with a similar life expectancy should get aid I would think.

yeah. not sure what your talking about but i agree. if your life expectancy is 50 it shouldnt matter if your black, brown, yellow or normal, you should all get the same help.

 

[Radelaide]

The problem with Chivalry is that it is aimed only at women. I hold the door open for everyone and anyone who is nearby. Old men, young men, old women, young women.

I also am not a man myself.

There is a better name for Chivalry that fits well in equal society. Politeness and manners.

Not at all. My boyfriend is very chivalrous, (he'll pay for dinner occasionally, always hold open the door, lend me his jacket) but I'll return the favour with dinner (by cooking his favourite meal or along those lines)

I think most acts of chivalry are considered common manners these days.

What DOES annoy me: A friend of mine has a boyfriend who opened a door for her, pulled out her chair and stood up when she left and his friends paid him out for it. Because he was acting "whipped". <--- That is all kinds of stupid.