Is FF13 a good jumping on point for the series?

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The Rockerfly

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As a final fantasy fanboy I would say no

Try 10, 7 or 9 first

They are almost universally seen as the best ones in the series. Also maybe try adding a poll to this kind of thread next time
 

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Yopaz said:
Edit: Also don't start with VII. Then you'll be one of those guys. And you don't want to be one of those guys... Those who started with VII and enjoyed it are unable to see that it was only a decent game and sees every game since that as complete rubbish. I am being stereotypical now, but it's not pretty...
Not necessarily. My first Final Fantasy title was VII and, to be honest, I think that it and VIII are both overrated. My favorites are IV (though I've only played the DS version), VI, IX, and X.

Of course, you did point out that it's a little stereotyping and I'll definitely admit that some of the more outspoken VII fans can be horribly annoying.
Eh? If anything, VIII seems to be underrated. Very few seem to like it among the FF fanbase.

OT: I'd go with FFX first, just to get into it. Then, uh, go backwards from there. Yeah, that sounds weird.
 

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You don't mind 2D PS-era graphics, do you? You aren't really going to get Crysis-level stuff from JRPGs anyway, so I assume you don't.

Final Fantasy titles are good, but I'd dare say they are more about style and flair than cohesion. All JRPGs feature tight linear storylines, so limiting yourself to the FF series is unwise. More than the stories, they feature this specific flavor of JRPG, always with the same character archetypes, same themes, plotlines, tunes, references to older games, etc. If you're not a FF fan, you'll likely ignore what most FF fans buy the games for.

If you want superb storytelling, I'd recommend starting with FF9. It's cute, colorful, imaginative, epic, has interesting characters and a rather simple, but nicely-told story. The classic JRPG pitfalls are almost completely absent, the fights are quick and pretty, the mechanics are really simple and efficient, and most importantly, the game as a whole is endearing and memorable.

In comparison, FF8 has a convoluted plot, unlikable characters, complete lack of focus and central story, bad dialogue, horribly unintuitive and abstract game mechanics, and overall feels like a committee-designed FF7-extract.

FF7 probably has the most thought-out story of the series, and a must-play simply for its classic status, but I felt FF9 had a bit more soul to it. The setting and feel is very well designed, but the graphics may be a bit dated. Early-3D doesn't hold up that well.

FF10 is basically FF13 done right, though I still dislike the complete lack of freedom. The plot of 10 is also rather convoluted and badly-written, but it doesn't feel that way while you're playing - the entire game has this "road trip"-vibe, never deviating from the central story, and seemingly very focused (even if it doesn't hold up to critical analysis). The world and character design are, frankly, unappealing, but that may be my personal gripe. The personalities and relationships of the characters are above average, though.

FF12 is so damn perfect as far as game mechanics are concerned that playing is almost effortless. If you set up your gambits properly, you can play the game with just the left stick for movement. As much as this is an admirable achievement, do you really want to play a game without actually playing? Besides, it's barely a FF game - it's made by the FF Tactics team, set in the same universe as Vagrant Story, and generally diverges from other FF games in theme and feel, concentrating more on international politics than any save-the-world quest. It's by no means bad, it's just rather bland and it feels off.


I sincerely recommend trying the Suikoden series instead. It features much more involving stories, it never feels ostentatious or forcibly spectacular, and it takes place in a cohesive and interesting world. The games mostly focus on the political machinations between countries, raising liberation armies, defending against tyranny, and so on, but the stories are all very human and very touching. Suikoden 2 is generally regarded as the best in the series.

Also, pretty much any JRPG by Atlus, their Shin Megami Tensei, Digital Devil Saga and Persona series are all excellent. I haven't seen much of them, but I've heard great things about their quality.

Another favorite of mine is the aforementioned Vagrant Story, another brilliant PS1 title by Squaresoft. It's very unconventional, and concentrates more on atmosphere and dungeon-crawling/puzzle-solving than linear storytelling, but it's original and unusual even today. The story is a kind of Renaissance occult mystery thing, and sadly it was never continued in a sequel. Definitely a refreshing title.

There is also the Tales series, of which I have played only 3 games, but I'll recommend Tales of the Abyss because it has one of the most amazing character arc for the protagonist that I've ever seen. The series is typically famous for its self-aware humor and great characters, and I thought Abyss had the best of those.
 

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DragonsAteMyMarbles said:
I'd recommend 10, 9 or 6 (ranked in order of how easy they should be to get hold of). 12 should be easier to find than 9 or 6, but isn't as good.
If you've got a PS3 7-9 is extremely easy to snag up. I would recommend starting with 9 because it has the easily identifiable class archetypes at the start of the game (black mage, white mage, theif, and warrior) To me 9 has always felt like a very good introduction to the traditional flow of a FF game and how its gameplay typically flows. (rising action with a crescendo in the middle and the action deflating and rising again into the climactic finale)

Now if you're really serious about doing entry level FF pick up the remake of 1 for the gameboy advanced (which can be played on most DS) It will be the best tool of introducing you to the "leave no rock undisturbed" credo that the FF series lives by.
 

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Eduku said:
KezzieZ said:
Yopaz said:
Edit: Also don't start with VII. Then you'll be one of those guys. And you don't want to be one of those guys... Those who started with VII and enjoyed it are unable to see that it was only a decent game and sees every game since that as complete rubbish. I am being stereotypical now, but it's not pretty...
Not necessarily. My first Final Fantasy title was VII and, to be honest, I think that it and VIII are both overrated. My favorites are IV (though I've only played the DS version), VI, IX, and X.

Of course, you did point out that it's a little stereotyping and I'll definitely admit that some of the more outspoken VII fans can be horribly annoying.
Eh? If anything, VIII seems to be underrated. Very few seem to like it among the FF fanbase.

OT: I'd go with FFX first, just to get into it. Then, uh, go backwards from there. Yeah, that sounds weird.
I suppose it depends on the fans you run into. I've seen several fans that act like it's the best FF ever created. The only thing I really liked about VIII was the music; Nobuo was as great as usual.

Also, I think I agree with your suggestion on playing X first. Either that or IX for a slightly more old-school plot and style (the gaming style, I mean, not the art style past Yoshitaka Amano's designs).
 

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I always prefer to start at the begging.

That way you get a good feel for how the series has progressed, and you don't lose any features as you backtrack to earlier titles.
that really doesn't work well for FF games since each one is totally standalone aside from 10 2 and the less said about that one the better

if you have the option go for persona 3 or 4, both of those games have fantastic stories that square cant hope to match but if your set on a ff game I would suggest FF IX since it was probably my fav 3d ff game and you can get it off the playstation network for like 10 bucks but if you have the option then go for ff3 or 6 (released as FF2 and 3 here on the snes)
 

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DragonsAteMyMarbles said:
I wouldn't start with FF13. It's the only Final Fantasy game I've played that couldn't hold my attention until the end.

I'd recommend 10, 9 or 6 (ranked in order of how easy they should be to get hold of). 12 should be easier to find than 9 or 6, but isn't as good.
I agree.

If you really want a JRPG I'd say Star Ocean: The Last Hope (or Star Ocean: International if you have a PS3) It has a better combat system than FFXIII but the voice acting is a bit ridiculous. If you really want to get into a Final Fantasy though, I recommend one of the DS ports if you can find them. Or downloading VII, VIII or, IX from PSN if that is an option.
 

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For a 3D Final Fantasy, IX and X are the best starting point. X does start to hit some of the pitfalls of JRPGs that everyone hates, but it more than makes up for them.

As for 2D Final Fantasy games, nearly any of them would be a good starting point except for the second one (But that's just my opinion). I would suggest getting the GBA versions rather than a rom.
 

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Steppin Razor said:
Do you have a PS2? If yes, then you should try and find a copy of Persona 3 instead.
/blatant P3 fanboyism

In all seriousness though, I'd say that FFXIII makes for a fairly decent jumping in point. As has already been said, you should be able to find it cheap, and the amount of game play you might get out of it makes it worth the price. A small warning though, it's a fairly divisive JRPG, even amongst the JRPG community, so there's every chance you'll hate it. But it's worth a shot and I hope you enjoy it if you do end up getting it. I love the game myself.
Fuck it, pretty much this, including the fanboyism.

Yeah, you could get it, but it's nothing like the other games in the series. You might like how much more strategic combat is, but you'll probably get pissed off at the tediousness of low-level enemies, the repetitive, cookie cutter soundtrack that's present for the first 20 hours, how the characters are some sort of cliche without any depth, the story is kind of a jumble of cutscenes showed to you every three minutes for 25 hours, and the fact that half of Vanille's lines are sexual moans. But, the combat's more strategic, the enemies are visible, rather than random encounters, and combat is streamlined more than the other FF's.

The game had pretty much stole the combat system from Persona 3 and made it worse tried something new with the combat, and pissed off some of the older fans, but it's functional, but the story doesn't make much sense for 30 hours from what I heard, even with the copius amount of cutscenes.

So be cautious.
 

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I really want to play a good JRPG. I really don't want to hunt down rare/ older titles, so I was wondering if FF13 is a good title to get? I'm getting New Vegas this month, but I was wondering if it'd be a good title to grab when I get the chance.
I must say that I wasn't fond of 13. Combat wise it had an auto battle option that pretty much outclassed you in most respects, making the fights seem a lot more repetitive.

As for the story, while the plot line seemed good it was an extremely slow starter and it takes a long time until you actually understand much at all and thus the earlier stages of the game just leave you rather confused.

The characters, for the most part seemed like repeats of old final fantasy characters. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but in this case they were really exaggerated versions of their predecessor, focussing on the one thing that made them stand out. In my opinion this actually made them more boring as they could get rather one dimensional at times.

That said, it's not a bad game (the graphics and animations are awesome) but there are better places to start FF. I recommend FFX as the combat is passable and the plot and characters are good (so long as you ignore the infamously badly voice acted laughing scene.

TL:DR Not a bad game as such but there are better places to start.

Don't get FFX-2. If you do I will personally hunt you down.
 

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smearyllama said:
I really want to play a good JRPG. I really don't want to hunt down rare/ older titles, so I was wondering if FF13 is a good title to get? I'm getting New Vegas this month, but I was wondering if it'd be a good title to grab when I get the chance.
FF13 is the WORST game in series, do NOT start of with this one, DO NOT!!!.
 

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Eh? If anything, VIII seems to be underrated. Very few seem to like it among the FF fanbase.
Are you serious?

I suppose it depends where you live but where i live VIII is treated like gospel. 13 is alright but i wouldn't start with it. VII an X are safe bets as they have good learning curves If you can find it VI an IV are also good and make sure you try out IX

Not necessarily. My first Final Fantasy title was VII and, to be honest, I think that it and VIII are both overrated. My favorites are IV (though I've only played the DS version), VI, IX, and X.

Of course, you did point out that it's a little stereotyping and I'll definitely admit that some of the more outspoken VII fans can be horribly annoying.
True, but it think that's the same of all fanboys no matter what the game is, where I am it is a never ending battle between VII and VIII fanboys.
 

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For the love of god, no.

Hunt down (BUT I DON'T WANNA HUNT, do it) the Xenosaga series.
Do it or I'll find you.
The only good game outta the Xenosaga series was the first one.

OT: It is an ok one to start with, I would prolly go back to FF10, they go for more continuous action in ff13 which detracts from the story over all but it is still good.

Another option is Lost Odyssey. That is a great game and one of my favorite for this gen. of console.
 

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No. It is not a good starting point. I'm a fan of the FF series, but I haven't even finished 13 yet. I completely forgot about it after about 1/4 of the way. And that is never a good sign.
and it's a shame you don't want to go for older titles, as FFIX is more or less the very best starting point.
 

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No, Final fantasy XIII isn't a good starting point in the series. Playing it might actually put you off playing the entire final fantasy series altogether. It's pretty bad in my opinion.

I would start with either final fantasy VII or IX. Though out of the two i would recommend playing final fantasy IX first as its the most user friendly final fantasy game their is.

While admittedly my favourite is final fantasy VIII i however don't recommend it to newcomers of the series. Mainly due to the complicated battle system and the love it or hate it storyline.

I would avoid final fantasy XII and X-2 as they are terrible.
 

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Any (well beside XI and XIV) of the games are fine jumping off point.

I'd suggest IV, V or VI as my introduction into the series, but try any to get a taste of it.
 

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helldragonX said:
The only good game outta the Xenosaga series was the first one.

OT: It is an ok one to start with, I would prolly go back to FF10, they go for more continuous action in ff13 which detracts from the story over all but it is still good.

Another option is Lost Odyssey. That is a great game and one of my favorite for this gen. of console.
You speak blasphemy then call Lost Odyssey a great game?
I'm sorry for your loss.

As far as Final Fantasy goes I say 9, you can buy is on PSN relatively cheap I think.