Is ganking girl gamers a bad thing?

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Vigormortis

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matthew_lane said:
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However, what the pathetic little shit in the video was doing is pure misogynistic harassment. The bastard not only sought out and harassed a fellow gamer (not his only time either), simply because she was female, but he and his pathetic cronies did it for days.
No he didn't.

If you stream your location on a PVP server, you are fair game.

An if you try to trade off your sexuality for money, while also simultaneously streaming your PVP game live then you are also an idiot.

An please don't pretend he doesn't gank anyone else... he's got an entire youtube account of PVP gankings.

As for your claim of days of ganking, i say nonsense: Said cronies have no way of knowing where you are if you are not streaming.
Guess you didn't watch the video(s) then. There's at least one part where he flashed up a title card labeled "Day 2". Implying he and his "buddies" sought her out at least a second time.

Also, I never said he never "ganked" anyone else. In fact, I said the opposite. Don't put words in my mouth, please.

Either way, are you implying that, simply because she streams her play sessions, she should be the target of deliberate harassment? Are you saying harassing someone is a better solution than just ignoring them? Really?

Regardless, I don't care how you and others try to rationalize it. The asshole was harassing her. Pure and simple. It had nothing to do with "being on a PvP server" or any other such ridiculous excuse you come up with. He, and his goons, were specifically targeting her for harassment. Their sole intention was to be cruel. Simply because she was a woman. (which doesn't matter to me. again, had they done the same to a male I'd still consider the guy an asshole)

You may be okay with defending that.

I'm not.
 

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Yeah. I'm obviously just searching them out. Right there on LoL's main page for Twitch. I'm sure that 26 second video with the second highest views from this week totally has everything to do with her playing ability. Definitely. That's totally it.

It's not about daring to have tits. It's about streaming, making them the focal point and asking for money while doing it. Do they have every right to do it? Sure. But they have no right to get offended when it's irritating to people like me who don't go to a place like Twitch to get off.

Edit: Because it's kind of hard to read, the title of that video is "I did my make up pretty". Yep. Totally for her playing skill. Definitely belongs there.
AHMAGAAAAAD.

Seriously, dude.
Deal with it.
If I have to deal with mostly having to hide my gender in case some dudebro drops his fucking monocle, you can deal with this.

If you don't go to twitch to get off, don't watch those videos. I don't go to Youtube to watch videos of spiders but they show up in my recommended every now and then without me having to cry about it.

Some people exploit things.

I dont think that phasmal is getting bent out of shape about girls on twitch using there teets. I think he simply wants to prove that its not just boys club mentality. its "seriously your tits take up more of the screen than the game" mentality that drives such a thing.

Its not fair to come at him like that either just because he had evidence to back up his beliefs. Granted I think the guy in the video did make some generalizations but they were about cam whores rather than the entire gaming populous. Since twitch and cam whores are a new thing it makes sense that they be relegated to weaker dungeons. its a ten year old game is it not? If you started now you couldnt do the later content. The video in general is is satirical and just funny in general.

Also if your going to call him out on his supposed refusal to deal with such things. Than perhaps it would be wise to take your own advice. People dont like jumping on the "its sexist so shun it" train and its natural.

Most of us who grew up in games likely played alone. We wanted girls to play with us but it was a "boys hobby" so they didnt want to.(A coworker the other day called gaming a "boys toy" so yes the ideal still carries in alot of women.) I know a lot of male gamers of many stripes I cant think of one who doesnt relish having a woman as a friend that he can call an equal in gaming. I know I do. And yeah there are e bullies but until people stand up for themselves and report them en masse it will continue.

But again because most of us played alone and wanted girls around. We didnt start descriminating whenever the mikes turned on. I think we need to separate this whole "gamer culture" from online players in games like cod because I dont think thats enough to count. A "gamer" truly doesnt think like that 9/10 but a bro dude who just jumps online everytime theres a new map pack.
Who knows honestly perhaps Im just blind but I am speaking from my own experience. Geek culture being bereft of women for so long but at the same time filled with straight men yet these straight men want to keep women away? the basis of there attraction? It doesnt quite make sense unless there are other factors. Why would nerd culture invite such a way of thinking? These factors just dont create woman haters from what I see? if anything I imagine it makes more men from the earlier days of our culture more desperate to get women on board.

But then there is alot of sexism out there in cod land and elsewhere so it came from somewhere. perhaps its gamings mainstreaming that has introduced these elements.
 

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Ganking another person because... ganking... is fine.
ganking another person because female is bad.
i wish internet woudl stop askig for genders at registration. internet accounts have no gender, why add a unnecessary complication. i didnt come to internet for stereotypization.
 

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Frankly, I think that ganking is just a dickish thing in general. If I'm just minding my own business and then some asshole comes out of nowhere and kills me instantly, needless to say, it's really fucking inconvenient for me. If you only gank female players and you single them out, then yeah, I'd say you were an asshole and have issues. But if you gank a bunch of people, and they just happen to be female, I'd still say you're an asshole, but I wouldn't say you have issues, since you just seem to want to stick a knife in anything with a pulse and don't discriminate about what it is.

It's kind of a "it's not racism if you hate everyone equally" type of deal.
 

kamay

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To answer the original question: I gank and grief both genders equally. I do no discriminate when it comes to annoying noobs online.
 

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Ganking a female player isn't bad, if it just happens.

Singling out female players specifically just makes you an asshole. I've seen this guys stuff before, and I don't care what kind of weird reasoning he makes out for doing what he does, because he's being a douche.

That said, it's also Kotaku the gaming equivalent of a rag. They tend to blow things out of proportion as click bait. Doesn't mean the guy isn't a dick, but the article is rather sensationalist.
 

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Don't wanna be ganked? Don't play on a pvp server.

With all the focus on gender bullshit and games recently, this guy just found a way to boost his views.

Especially if you are streaming what your doing of course some asshole is gonna take advantage of it. Just like people who try to stream snipe in any other game. SC, lol, dota, whatever.
 

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matthew_lane said:
No, he was trolling her, which is something else entirely.
Sort of off topic, but isn't this splitting hairs? How do you make a distinction between the two things?

matthew_lane said:
Yes, that is what real sexism looks like.
I suspect you are conflating the reality of sexism with the severity of sexism. Sort of like showing a reasonably healthy homeless gentleman in the US a picture of a starving, dying child in Africa and saying "This is what REAL poverty looks like".

ShrineNI, whether he did this honestly or satirically, is aware that he is assuming a sexist position. There's really no argument on that front. He is either a genuine sexist, or he is, as you say, "trolling", and deliberately provoking an inflammatory response by assuming a contentious position. I'm not sure why either merits a defense. But then I'm not a fan of trolling in general, and don't find it "hilarious". At least not by the definition of trolling I am familiar with (i.e. distinct from satire, intended to provoke, upset or inflame instead of parody or illuminate).
 

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On one hand, if you don't like the environment of online gaming, dont play. On the other hand, do you really want online gaming to be an environment of "If you want to game here, you have to be ok with being verbally abused by people who dont know you."

This topic has an air of "We're looking for excuses to keep acting like assholes with no repercussions. We hate being told that people dont like it when we do it."
 

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Ganking isn't against the rules. Annoying? Yeah. But it's not considered griefing. If anything, it's encouraged.

I am convinced the video is a joke. The part about common girl gamer spots is literally full of things that every WoW player does.

If you're griefed, call your guild, friends etc, and revenge kill the son of a *****. And then farm his ass until he logs off. I've done this several times. Is ganking some asshole a bad thing? Maybe, but it's also one of the most cathartic parts of an MMO.

If anything, trying to get special treatment for anyone because they're being ganked is worse than the ganking itself. If you think it's harassment, get off of the PVP server. If anyone ever bitches about being ganked on the offical forums, that is the exact response you will get.

EDIT: It's not harassment as far as Blizzard's rules are concerned. If you report a player for camping you, the GMs will basically tell you, "too bad so sad, it's a part of the game."
 

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It's not harassment as far as Blizzard's rules are concerned. If you report a player for camping you, the GMs will basically tell you, "too bad so sad, it's a part of the game."
Ganking and corpse camping are kind of officially sanctioned harassment on PvP servers. They're harassment by any real definition of the word, but it's harassment you sign yourself up for.

It's a shame, really. As I stated earlier in the thread, "gank culture" has kind of destroyed the PvP server. Or at least destroyed the PvP server as I would like to see it. I don't see a lot of "player vs player" on PvP servers, the way you would in a more structured environment like DOTA, or SC2, or even the game's own PvE servers and consensual battlegrounds. Just a lot of lopsided encounters with preordained outcomes. I'm afraid I don't really understand what the appeal is.
 

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First, we should probably clearly define the difference between "ganking"/attacking/"harassing" someone because it's the sake of the game, and doing the same with the intention of just displeasing someone.
No matter what the game is, those two are always distinctly different; when I play fighting games, there are people who may play in a "cheap" fashion because that's just part of their strat, and there are people who play in a cheap fashion just to caue as much irritation as possible. Those are really the only key differences. And it is a rather big difference; with the former, there's at least justification for it as it might be the only option left to the person to fill in a gap in his play, and the respect between two gamers is still upheld for the sake of what online gaming is about, which is to have a good time with other people. It doesn't matter what the game is, it is positive for both people, assuming they are both play games in a healthy state, and not getting unnecessarily irritated with the game.
With the latter, however, that person's sole intention is to infuriate you. No matter what the situation, this is a bad thing. It is disrespectful as it ruins the key point to even playing a game in the first place, and it's really not acceptable behavior ANYWHERE. Who the heck would want to go out of their way simply to cause other people grief? It's NOT what any game is about at all; there is not a single (successful) game in which the goal is to make the other person not enjoy the game and NOTHING ELSE.

Secondly, in light of what I had just written, instead of asking "Is it bad to do this to girl gamers?", I would in turn like to ask "Why does it matter if they're girls?" As I've explained, it's an unpleasant thing to do to both guys and girls. There is literally no reason it should annoy girls more than guys.

In short, it all relies on the intention behind the act. Doing it for the sake of enjoying the game is fine any way you look at it, but doing it for the purpose of upsetting someone is low, with no exceptions.

Also, some folks here should, and a couple of ussers (hopefully most) already do realize that some "gamers" (Not just girls), will intentionally provoke people to comment on them, then act irritated simply to garner attention and get people to defend them. The most generic example of this is the girls who flaunt their bodies and then get irritated if people point out that they are doing so, with claims that they're only interested in gaming. And, just as expected, even in this thread some people are already trying to justify it without even knowing who the person is.Of course, that's not the only sort of person you'll find doing that sort of thing.
And if you are (Or at least peg yourself as) clever enough to spot people doing this sort of stuff for attention, I hope you can are clever enough to remember NOT to assume that all people, guys and girls alike, are doing it for attention. For example, a girl may just be very attractive and simply come off as "provocative", even if that isn't their intention. Because if you just assume that, and label all of them as doing it for attention, you might just become one of those people who do nothing but annoy people, as I mentioned earlier.
 

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I'm ashamed that that guy is from the same country as me...I don't believe that ganking a player who happens to be a girl is sexist, but actually looking for a girl on twitch to then hunt down and gank is just pathetic and if I ever bumped into the guy in real life, i'd gank him, with repetitive punches to the face. :D
 

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Targetting women exclusively PVP areas? morally wrong, unless its a role-play choice? Don't know, think so...

Does the opposite ever happen? do particular people specifically not kill women if they know they are women? would that be a problem?

If its PVP, i'd say just kill, don't grief. end off.
 

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RageVG said:
Secondly, in light of what I had just written, instead of asking "Is it bad to do this to girl gamers?", I would in turn like to ask "Why does it matter if they're girls?" As I've explained, it's an unpleasant thing to do to both guys and girls. There is literally no reason it should annoy girls more than guys.
This is the main reason I post like I'm defending the guy, when I'm really not. Ganking happens to everyone, and it bugs me that it's been sensationalized, only because some guy made a video saying he only ganks females.

Bah. There's a lot more interesting stories from WoW than this. I don't think we ever even brought up interesting stories like the identity theft and passport forgery drama from when Cataclysm was ending. Even if it's old news.

And now I just realized that this is old news too. From 2012.
 
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Aah.

The point of a pvp server is to kill the enemy, she don't like it no one made her join a pvp server. That's a part of playing in one in WoW. There's a reason all of that is specifically said to be allowed.

Getting ganked constantly by a single guy for arbitrary reasons has happened to me twice now, and that's just what they are: arbitrary reasons. An excuse to have fun.

Yeah the guy is kind of a dick but it's an online pvp game, it's part of the point of these servers to be allowed to irritate people on purpose.

He probably just picked a random reason and it happened to be this player because she happened to be a girl.

People are just overreacting like always.