Well if you count the times where they knocked it off when I called a friend to counter gank then thats closer to a dozen but yeah.matthew_lane said:
Is ganking girl gamers a bad thing?
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From the first video in the link it's pretty hard to tell if he thinks all girl gamers are attention whores or not. From what I can tell he just hates attention whoring girl gamers and is adamant about ganking them. I almost agree with him (think about ganking PewDiePie, Tobuscus, and the like because you hate their content and believe they don't deserve their popularity) but I think he could've easily overreacted and would pretty much just be a misogynist.
Either way, killing players in a video game for arbitrary reasons is ok in my book. Going public about it and insulting them is when it gets iffy.
Either way, killing players in a video game for arbitrary reasons is ok in my book. Going public about it and insulting them is when it gets iffy.
One of my best friends "happens to be" of the female persuasion. I always try to kill her first in civilization games, because once she has nukes, nobody is save.
Also I harass her all the time. With my pillaging horsemen!
(But seriously. What's going on in the world of videogames, man?)
Also I harass her all the time. With my pillaging horsemen!
(But seriously. What's going on in the world of videogames, man?)
I used to gank a girl in EVE online with an alt because it would make her cry on teamspeak(real tears)....after she had bragged about being such a good player, something she did almost daily.
A couple of my friends (during vanilla, at level 60) once promised to take a new player to a "secret treasure area." They escorted him all the way to the bottom of a dungeon/cave thing in the badlands (took them more than 2 hours) then told him that the get into the secret treasure area he had to trash his hearthstone.
Then they hearthstoned away from him while loling their faces off.
Now THAT is how you do it.
Then they hearthstoned away from him while loling their faces off.
Now THAT is how you do it.
Making anything in which a woman is at the butt of the situation a massive deal about women being mistreated because misogyny is the current fad.ShipofFools said:
I had a friend who played a wizard back in EQ who did something beautiful and evil. You see, instead of everyone being able to set their spawn point to any inn like in WoW, in EQ spellcasters could set their spawn point wherever they liked, but non spellcasters had to get a spellcaster to set their spawn point, and they could only do it in city zones. The spell was called "Bind Affinity" and so the process was referred to as binding.Smeatza said:
My friend the wizard was in the woold elf city (a bunch of tree platforms really high up above the newbie area [which was technically in the same zone]) when someone asked to be bound. My evil wizard friend told him sure, if he'd come to him to do it, cast levitate and floated out in the middle of the air between platforms. Cast levitate on the newbie, got him to come out there with him, and bound him there. Newbie dies doing newbie things, and is then locked into a spawn-fall-die loop until GMs came to fix him.
On a less evil note, I remember the patch the honor system was first introduced in WoW (it's first incarnation, that encouraged open world PvP). Me and a couple of guildies were doing the newly introduced quest to get the infernal summon without grinding Blackrock Spire and at the bottom of Jaedenar we saw this named demon and I had a "hold my drink and watch *this*" moment. I enslaved it. It hit for more than my HP per hit, had an AE, and was the source of my first dozen HKs, all from other Warlocks working on the same quest only to get giant angry elite dreadlord to the face. They made him immune to enslave later.
My guild thought it was hilarious though, especially our drunken Russian GM. That was the Gang on Bloodscalp for you though.
It seems pretty clear from the articles she's published that Kotaku hired Patricia Fernandez exclusively to write articles full of sensationalist rubbish to publicize their site and attract loads of viewers to see what all the internet rage is about and go on about Hernandez. I'm pretty sure that she's committing the most elaborate trolling on the internet right now about a subject bound to create rage even without all the nonsense. If she is a feminist and not just in it for the laughs, her real revenge must be how worked-up men from known misogynist sites get over her writing. That, or she's totally bonkers.Ellie O said:Here's a link [http://kotaku.com/5914348/three-words-i-said-to-the-man-i-defeated-in-gears-of-war-that-ill-never-say-again] to the article that the photoshop was made from, for whatever that is worth.
On topic: players will always find a reason to kill other players. Trying to claim that some reasons are worse than others is a level of "thought police" that bothers me every time, so I think I'll just stick to co-op games.
Seriously, there is no way any of those articles shown are genuine.
Patricia Fernandez is sexist as fuck because if the Question is "Should killing female gamers online be considered rape?" the implication is rape can't happen to men
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/features/9766-The-R-Word
As a community I think we have already established that line of thinking is bullshit.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/features/9766-The-R-Word
As a community I think we have already established that line of thinking is bullshit.
When it comes to PVP in MMOs being ganked is par for the course regardless of gender. Being targeted specifically for a trait would be reprehensible but unless you're readily advertising that you possess said trait then it would be difficult for any player to know the type of person behind the screen.
To be honest, if someone ganks someone horribly whilst knowing any fact of their life, be it sex, religion or political persuasion, they're gonna use that if they're truly dedicated to pissing the other person off.
But hey, sexism in vidya gemz from a lone person gets blown up and huge controversy. Who knew.
But hey, sexism in vidya gemz from a lone person gets blown up and huge controversy. Who knew.
barbzilla said:
I get that this isn't about anti-video game advocacy and thank you for correcting me on the identity of the girl, but its things like this, the deeds of this boy that gives those annoying anti-video game agenda their ammo to shoot.
And I doubt that agenda is big only in the U.S.
They're not. They're all spoof articles courtesy of /v/.gravian said:
Spoof article courtesy of /v/.psijac said:
I'd really like to take a minute here so we can all example the power of confirmation bias and how easy it is to provoke outrage with a completely fabricated article. I'm willing to bet a statistically significant percentage of people viewing that thing decided it was real, despite the fact it's patently ridiculous, and did NOT stop to post their thoughts on it in a forum where helpful folks could point them towards the fact that it was a parody. It'll color their perceptions, and form the base line of their attitudes and behaviors towards the subject in the future.
The lesson in this isn't that satire and parody is bad, but that we need to not leap to conclusions when we see inflammatory things on the internet.
if your streaming on a pvp server you sort of have it comming if your getting ganked no matter what gender you are. having some delay on your stream might help a bit though, atleast when your trying to run away from someone ganking you. Also the guy is streaming himself so he's kinda drawing a lot of attention to himself this way and people will probably try to gank him. which is some of the fun of pvp servers, beeing hunted by angry people. I remember back in the day when servers and guilds had KoS lists.
i think people are just missing the point of playing the game. you can hostile anyone and if someone chooses to attack you, you can choose to attack em back. or just go to a different server altogether.
videogames dont have a gender, cuz they're just plain videogames. so do what your best at and just play the game.
videogames dont have a gender, cuz they're just plain videogames. so do what your best at and just play the game.
First of all, rape is a pretty extreme thing and I wouldn't even compare most forms of harassment to it. Rape is horrible.
However, harassing women in video games is not great and something is very wrong with people who target female gamers just because they're women. Or girls. Or whatever age group they may be. Yes, "ganking girl gamers" indeed sounds like a bad thing.
However, harassing women in video games is not great and something is very wrong with people who target female gamers just because they're women. Or girls. Or whatever age group they may be. Yes, "ganking girl gamers" indeed sounds like a bad thing.
I see that, and raise you one better: "This looks shopped."matthew_lane said:
If you're on the internet, and you take every image you see, particularly one who's main feature is text, and you don't question it, you are in the unfortunate position of being rather gullible. Fortunately, there's a solution for this. Google the site the image is supposedly a screenshot of and get a primary source, like any primary schooler writing an essay does.
Poe's law doesn't change the fact that to fall for such a thing is to show no level of critical thinking, or skepticism.
The appeal is randomness and the chance of getting ganked to break up the monotonous nature of leveling/questing.BloatedGuppy said:
WoW world PvP didn't fall out because of excessive ganking (again, that's the whole APPEAL, you either like it or you don't)...it fell out thanks to flying mounts, server/faction transfers, etc.
After getting ganked enough times, you would begin to develop a genuine HATRED of your opposing faction and truly see them as the enemy - nothing was really more immersive than that, Blizzard genuinely intended it!
I would sit there, as a low level, looking at my corpse after getting killed by the same max-level rogue for the 5th time and start saying "seriously FUCK HORDE, why are they such assholes? When I level up I'm going to kill every single one of them on sight, those fuckers will pay..." and before I knew it, I was a max level picking on horde newbies with a genuine satisfactory feeling of "this is payback for what happened to me!". Of course I wouldn't just pick on newbies (where's the fun in that), I'd mix it up with pretty cool duels-to-the-death with higher levels all the while hoping that they didn't call their friends for backup.
An endless circle of hate became known as the Horde vs Alliance, and till date I haven't come across any MMORPG that encouraged such an intense sense of rivalry and pride in your faction. There was a certain urge to kill the other faction out of sheer hatred and competition, it was fucking AWESOME! We truly began to see them as the enemy.
But those were the old days of WoW before shit like flying mounts, server transfers and faction transfers. Thanks to all that happening, those days are now behind us.
I at least hope you see how it could appeal to some people. Ganking reveals the cold harsh feeling of not standing a chance, but knowing deep down that your enemy has most likely gone through the same ordeal as what he's putting you through. Occasionally ganking can lead to spectacular spur-of-the-moment fights and those were the truly golden memories from my experience in MMO's.
More on topic, if someone ganked a female player while she was livestreaming on a PvP server (could a person get any more stupid?) and then started yelling "YOU'RE A GIRL AND I GANK GIRLS, AAHAHAH" then I'm not really going to look down on that person because he's doing it for no other reason than to troll/enrage the person who is livestreaming - by completely legitimate means too. It's that simple and doesn't really need any kind of controversy surrounding it.
They either accept the fact they're getting ganked (regardless of the ganker's motives), or log out and sit in a corner to cry...and maybe take a herbal scented bath to clean their massive vagi...err..I mean balls
Or to put the nail in the coffin for this whole (dumb) discussion, if a GUY was livestreaming and a GIRL had ganked him screaming "I'm gonna gank you beacuse you're a guy!!" and if the guy complained about getting ganked due to sexism, he would've been told to man the fuck up and deal with it. Actually no, the poor sod would've been laughed at and made an absolute joke out of. Oh and the girl would've been showered with praise for being so brave n' bold.
So to any girls who are getting ganked out there for whatever reason in MMO's, knowingly playing on servers which allow ganking - if you're going to cry about getting repeatedly ganked by someone (even if they claim to enjoy ganking girls), you need to either "man up" and deal with it...or uninstall. That's what guys are expected to do, why should girls be treated with sympathies and surrounded by white-knighting?
FYI guys call each other all sorts of nasty things when they're ganking each other, when the shit truly hits the fan I've seen guys go for the LOWEST of the low insults that try to maximize the emotional damage and enrage people into either quitting or playing badly. The worst I've seen are racist slurs or homophobic insults, and those are barely regarded as flesh wounds to people who have been in that business for a long time. It's a harsh world and nobody's forcing anyone to stay