Is Half life/Deus Ex have better legacy than Mario/Zelda?

[TheGamerElite33]

Do you think Half life and Deus Ex have better legacy than mario/zelda?

since all 4 are major franchises for respective platform. but when we talk about old franchise that are on going and still strong. ppls always mention Mario/Zelda. and how they revolutionize gaming, how OOT or mario 64 are greatest thing ever. and blah blah

but Half life was the reason how gaming experience should be. same as deus ex.

both Half life 1 and OOT was release in 1998. and compare both of them. HL1 looks like 10 years leap over it.

Discuss

 

[Elfgore]

Nope, not even close. When I was younger and just started getting into video games, no wait, before I even got into video games. I knew about Zelda and Mario. I did not know about Deus Ex or Half-Life until much later. Half-Life because my uncle had it and I didn't even know about Deus Ex until I joined this site. When I think ten or twenty years into the future, I'm pretty sure people will still be talking about Zelda and Mario. Not so much Half-Life and Deus Ex.

Deus Ex and Half-Life may have helped define a genre, but Mario and Zelda got a lot of people into gaming. I think that leaves a slightly larger legacy.

 

[Roxas1359]

Not even in the slightest. Mario and Zelda are not only two of the biggest franchises out there, their impact on the entire industry is more than what both Deus Ex and Half-Life have done. Zelda, especially OoT, influenced RPGs with elements that are still used to this day, and the same can be said about past Mario games (modern ones aren't as impactful as ones like 64). As Elfgore said, people will probably still be talking about Mario and Zelda in the future, while Deus Ex and Half-Life will most likely not be. Heck, I still suspect people to be making Half-Life 3 jokes within the next 20 years because it's taken so long that it's hit Duke Nukem Forever status in that it can't possibly live up to the hype no matter what.

Also, OoT and Half-Life came out in the same year yes, but you are comparing apples to oranges. One is a console game, one is a PC game. Both have completely different mechanics, and both have impacts on completely different genre entirely.

 

[TheGamerElite33]

Nope, not even close. When I was younger and just started getting into video games, no wait, before I even got into video games. I knew about Zelda and Mario. I did not know about Deus Ex or Half-Life until much later. Half-Life because my uncle had it and I didn't even know about Deus Ex until I joined this site. When I think ten or twenty years into the future, I'm pretty sure people will still be talking about Zelda and Mario. Not so much Half-Life and Deus Ex.

Deus Ex and Half-Life may have helped define a genre, but Mario and Zelda got a lot of people into gaming. I think that leaves a slightly larger legacy.

well half life and Deus Ex were hardcore PC games unlike mario/zelda that are way to colorful and childish. well atleast they are not JRPGs.

half life 1 back in 1998 was too amazing. i mean there was nothing like that before because early old school shooters were all Doom clones (they were excellent too) but Half life change the shape of gaming

Deus Ex when it was released was ahead of time with greatest of all time storyline and level design. combine RPG with FPS etc.

 

[tippy2k2]

Are you serious?

I could show pictures of Gordon Freeman and Mario to literally anyone. Can you guess which one people will recognize?

Hint; It'sa me!

Half-Life and Deus Ex have their claims to fame but if you think that their legacy is even close to that of Nintendo, you're deluding yourself. I know you have a weird obsessing hate with consoles but even you must realize how crazy that sounds...right?

If you wanted to argue quality you might have a shot but Mario alone blows out...well...EVERYTHING when it comes to the mark left on gaming history.

 

[Elfgore]

Nope, not even close. When I was younger and just started getting into video games, no wait, before I even got into video games. I knew about Zelda and Mario. I did not know about Deus Ex or Half-Life until much later. Half-Life because my uncle had it and I didn't even know about Deus Ex until I joined this site. When I think ten or twenty years into the future, I'm pretty sure people will still be talking about Zelda and Mario. Not so much Half-Life and Deus Ex.

Deus Ex and Half-Life may have helped define a genre, but Mario and Zelda got a lot of people into gaming. I think that leaves a slightly larger legacy.

well half life and Deus Ex were hardcore PC games unlike mario/zelda that are way to colorful and childish. well atleast they are not JRPGs.

half life 1 back in 1998 was too amazing. i mean there was nothing like that before because early old school shooters were all Doom clones (they were excellent too) but Half life change the shape of gaming

Deus Ex when it was released was ahead of time with greatest of all time storyline and level design. combine RPG with FPS etc.

... Okay, I have no clue why which platform they're released on has anything to do with legacy. I also don't see what's wrong with a game being colorful either. God forbid a game be anything other than fifty shades of brown.

Yeah, those games were great back in the day. I won't deny that. But Zelda and Mario are continuously releasing new games, the same fans keep playing them, and they keep getting new people into gaming . I've never heard of one person who has said "Deus Ex/Half-Life got me into gaming." I have heard a lot of "Mario/Zelda got me into gaming." Being great back in the day isn't leaving a legacy.

 

[TheGamerElite33]

Are you serious?

I could show pictures of Gordon Freeman and Mario to literally anyone. Can you guess which one people will recognize?

Hint; It'sa me!

.

anyone who? hardcore PC gamer? or casual gamers or non gamers?

Mario is popular among non gamers and majority of things that are popular are crap in my book. if you ask any hardcore PC gamer. they will say Half life is better than Mario. while not denying mario is not good because it is.

 

[tippy2k2]

Are you serious?

I could show pictures of Gordon Freeman and Mario to literally anyone. Can you guess which one people will recognize?

Hint; It'sa me!

anyone who? hardcore PC gamer? or casual gamers or non gamers?

Mario is popular among non gamers and majority of things that are popular are crap in my book. if you ask any hardcore PC gamer. they will say Half life is better than Mario. while not denying mario is not good because it is.

You didn't ask quality. You asked legacy. You understand the term legacy, correct? Because it sounds like when you say legacy, you mean quality. Quality you'd at least have a mild shot at getting agreement on since the quality of those two games are going to be subjective.

When I said literally anyone, I mean LITERALLY anyone. Hard core gamers. Casual gamers. Your Grandmother who gets confused if you wanted the Nintendo PS One for Christmas last year. Anyone. Go on, I'll wait here. Print out a picture of Gordon Freeman and print out a picture of Mario, head to your local mall and ask random strangers who these two characters are.

Spoiler Alert; it'll be Mario

 

[Rozalia1]

Here we go again, your naked swipes are amusing at the very least.

Mario and Zelda are shall we say like Hulk Hogan, Half-Life and Dues Ex are more like AJ Styles. Well known among a certain audience, but relatively unknown among the rest.
Proclaiming them as more important is amusing at best. It'd be like if I said Indie star #354 was bigger than Cena or something, complete hogwash.

well half life and Deus Ex were hardcore PC games unlike mario/zelda that are way to colorful and childish. well atleast they are not JRPGs.

half life 1 back in 1998 was too amazing. i mean there was nothing like that before because early old school shooters were all Doom clones (they were excellent too) but Half life change the shape of gaming

Deus Ex when it was released was ahead of time with greatest of all time storyline and level design. combine RPG with FPS etc.

And how pray tell what does them being PC games matter in regards to their impact? Mario and Zelda have been around forever, having driven gaming, and being around in all the high spots. Half-Life and Deus Ex were around during a relative downtime for PC, and to top it off have not continued (well Human Revolution happened, but that game while successful was not greatly so).
The answer is the obvious one, you are unreasonably biased to anyone who has seen your other threads and are playing this platform wars poppycock. Its not against the rules of course so we have to tolerate it, but I'll give you thanks for at least shaming others who may have also indulged in the platform wars from not doing so (in this thread at least).

Colourful and "childish" (which you say based on its colours) are in no way bad traits. The JRPG swipe is...well pointless. It doesn't tell us anything we didn't know.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

I wish mods would pay more attention to the fact this guy has been making multiple threads all taking swipes at anyone who isn't a PC gamer or on PC, i know there's freedom of speech but this guy is doing nothing but crafting new flame baiting topics every few days and he even admits he's come from another website because he couldn't do the same as he's doing now.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Half Life and Deus Ex are on consoles too. The platform doesn't matter. And both of them are FPSs anyways so the amount of depth either can have is rather limited. It takes more skill to play Mario vs Half Life or Deus Ex as well. LMAO at colorful and childish graphics. It's kinda funny how all the best PC games don't even have revolutionary graphics, Deus Ex wasn't graphically impressive when it was released. And, Half Life 3 if it ever comes out won't be nearly as good as Super Mario Bros. 3.

 

[TheGamerElite33]

Here we go again, your naked swipes are amusing at the very least.

Mario and Zelda are shall we say like Hulk Hogan, Half-Life and Dues Ex are more like AJ Styles. Well known among a certain audience, but relatively unknown among the rest.
Proclaiming them as more important is amusing at best. It'd be like if I said Indie star #354 was bigger than Cena or something, complete hogwash.

LOL comparing video games to fake wwf wrestling which apeal to audience mostly consist of little kids and girls.

and yes. best type of games are not utterly popular. but obsecure game to respected fanbase. like Stalker was best game of last gen but COD4 or uncharted was more popular doesnot mean better quality.

 

[Malbourne]

Well, for my part, I typically judge legacy by how much merchandise comes out of the series. You see a lot of adorable chibi Links and Marios. There are dolls of Toads and Tingles, all signs of a game that screams legacy.

Gordon Freeman is typically a figurine or poster, but Headcrabs are everywhere. They're pillows, hats, and stuffed toys. I dunno about Deus Ex, though. I'm sure there's an Adam Jensen body pillow somewhere. Or so I've heard.

You wanna see legacy, you find a franchise with a bunch of adorable plushies!

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

all of them are roughtly equal in terms of legacy

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

best type of games are not utterly popular. but obsecure game to respected fanbase. like Stalker was best game of last gen but COD4 or uncharted was more popular doesnot mean better quality.

The best type of games can be popular. Are you saying LoL is just the COD of MOBAs? Or Minecraft? Genres where depth is the key aspect, usually the most popular game is the best one. Whereas shooters can be very basic and still be great fun.

Bayonetta is better than Stalker, it has more depth and skill required to play.

 

[TheGamerElite33]

Bayonetta is better than Stalker, it has more depth and skill required to play.

LOL. bayonetta has big immersive world? atmosphere? and inventory like Stalker??

its not even 1/3 of Stalker.

 

[josemlopes]

Bayonetta is better than Stalker, it has more depth and skill required to play.

LOL. bayonetta has big immersive world? atmosphere? and inventory like Stalker??

its not even 1/3 of Stalker.

Wow, dude, I even like Stalker a lot more then Bayonetta (played all the Stalkers and even messed around with that Online one) but you arguments might aswell consist of a monkey throwing shit at people because that is what you are doing.


And in the end you asked about legacy so yes, the popularity of it being a quality product is the actuall point that matters and since a lot more people actually know who Mario is and because Mario games do indeed have quality to them then that means that Mario does have the better legacy.


Also it doesnt matter what is what and as usual your threads are about "Do you think this game I like is the best? If not then you are wrong!". This shit already happened when you used to post here some years back

 

[Krige]

But Half-Life doesn't even have any legacy. It's just two average to above average games with four expansion packs, and Deus Ex is just System Shock (or Marathon if you swing that way) with dialogue trees and conspiracies. If anything it's System Shock that has a legacy what with Deus Ex and Bioshock and Project Snowblind and whatnot.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Bayonetta is better than Stalker, it has more depth and skill required to play.

LOL. bayonetta has big immersive world? atmosphere? and inventory like Stalker??

its not even 1/3 of Stalker.

LMAO, at how you just ignore valid points like LoL being popular and being the best.

Bayonetta is plenty immersive and atmospheric, it doesn't need to be big in size to accomplish that. And the game even goes beyond our solar system. There's more depth to Bayonetta's gameplay and more player skill required (dodge offsetting FTW). You do have an inventory of a bunch of different weapons and accessories that all greatly change gameplay. 1st-person games have such limitations because of the camera, you can't even look behind you while moving forward (look all that depth you got LOL). Plus, the 1st-person camera is just the lazy way out because devs don't want to deal with coding a proper 3rd-person camera.

 

[Andy Shandy]

Well Half-Life's legacy at this point is that it's vaporware, and Deus Ex's is that 2 out of the 4 games are bad, so I'm going to say no, they won't have a better legacy. Console Master Race wins again, it seems.