Is Half life/Deus Ex have better legacy than Mario/Zelda?

[DrOswald]

So you're saying that a boring linear corridor shooter, with a mute protagonist, an extremely limited color palette, and no actual 'gameplay' aside from 'point and click', is how a "gaming experience should be"?

Are you serious?

Linear scripted? Half life has plent of exploration, puzzle solving and lets not forget that Half life has greatest Level design and pacing in history. its an intelligent game.

Half Life has the greatest level design and pacing in history? You must not be a very serious gamer if you haven't come across better level design and pacing than in Half Life. Not only is it not the best level design, it isn't even the best level design in a First Person Shooter. It had good level design, but it wasn't amazing.

 

[Adam3s]

Goodwin's Laws about to be proven again...

Hitler and Santa.

The only two people I could think of with a face more recognisable than Mario.

Surveys show big white gloves are more associated with Mario than Mickey Mouse (think that may just be amongst kids though).

For a lot of the world: think video games, think Mario.

So does Mario + Zelda have a bigger legacy than two fairly popular PC games...yeah. If I was more cynical I'd probably consider this a troll thread.

 

[thanatos388]

Half-Life and Deus Ex are both jokes. Mario still has good games. And Mario is a hardcore game, don't tell me someone who plays cell phone games only could finish Super Mario World 100% without dying a shit ton. Mario appeals to both soft and hard core gamers and is arguably more relevant to children than Mickey Mouse. Zelda is pretty much the same in terms of legacy but is Mario~Mickey then Zelda~Lord of the Rings.

Deus Ex and Half Life, while important to the development of W-RPGs and PC gaming in general, are not even very good games by todays standards. Anyone can go back and play the first Zelda and Mario just fine (Zelda is debateable), but going back to Deus Ex and Half Life is like learning a new language in game design terms. They are dinosaurs now. They have a legacy, but only in your seemingly deluded and elitist mind do they even approach Mario and Zelda.

 

[clippen05]

No. If you ask anyone one the street, they will all know Mario. I would wager more would know Zelda than Deus Ex and Half Life combined. In terms of leaving a legacy, Mario has touched masses (and Zelda to a lesser extent) I don't think there's really much contest in this to be honest.

 

[Rastrelly]

Look at Google Trends. Mario wins hard. Other ones are pretty close, Zelda is second though.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%2Fm%2F0dwc_%2C%20Mario%2C%20Zelda%2C%20Doom%2C%20%2Fm%2F0bmg3j9&cmpt=q

 

[Vigormortis]

Depends on how we're viewing their legacy.

Is it from an interpersonal point of viewer from the consumer base? Than Mario wins over the likes of Half-Life, hands down. No contest.

Is it from an inter-industry point of view from that of the game makers? Then things like Half-Life beat out the likes of Mario by the shear influence they had on the ways in which game designers thought about game design.

So really, it all depends on how we're attempting to quantify their respective legacies.

That said, from a non-gamer point of view, Mario Bros is going to be more widely known, so it's 'interpersonal' legacy is far greater.

It all depends on who you ask.

 

[Traviltar]

What I see is people completely missing the freaking point.
The question is obviously about their impact in gaming mechanics and not culture otherwise. Of course someone is going to recognize Mario instead of Gordon Freeman.
Look...
Shooters today would not exist, if it wasn't for Half-Life.
Let's put it this way.
Also, technologically, Half-Life was stunning. It leaped animations of video games light-years ahead. It's physics and weapon mechanics are well known in the gaming industry to this day and not to even MENTION the way it's mod, Counter-Strike affected shooters.

And wait a minute, who hated Human Revolution? That game captured the original perfectly! The only people who hate DX:HR are the people who hate the original and like Invisible War.

So you're saying that a boring linear corridor shooter, with a mute protagonist, an extremely limited color palette, and no actual 'gameplay' aside from 'point and click', is how a "gaming experience should be"?

Were you born in 2004? Are you for real? This comment oozes with ignorance.
Trust me, if you had played Half-Life the day it came out, you wouldn't be so ignorant about this.
Man, get the hell out of here and play Half-Life, then come back, because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about..

 

[Traviltar]

Man, this thread is filled with bias from people who have played neither games.

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

old franchise that are on going and still strong.

Does Half Life really fit into this category.... Really? The last instalment was 7 years ago. How strong is that still going?

And Deus Ex The Fall got a total score of 2.2 on metacritic... Sounds strong too!

Even Zelda 2 got 7.7 and Mario Party Island Tour got 6.2!

Your presentation screams of an 'I like it more therefore it is better' type argument, where your only actual criticism, the graphics, is extremely subjective.

I use the metacritic scores only because that is what I had availiable. I expect there are many, many more stats to prove that the 2 shooters are no where near as successful, or continual as Mario and Zelda...

Not saying I wouldn't play them though. I have games from all 4 franchises and enjoy them all, but come on...

That's like saying Nirvana is a more iconic band of the 90s than Oasis/The Spice Girls just because you like the music more, ignoring the fact that the latter 2, for entirely different reasons have wider appeal, are known by more people and are associated with the decade.

 

[Traviltar]

old franchise that are on going and still strong.

And Deus Ex The Fall got a total score of 2.2 on metacritic... Sounds strong too!

Played all 4 franchises? Alrighty then..

Then please explain how do you not know the fact that Deus Ex The Fall was a MOBILE GAME made by an Eidos Montreal without the people who made DX:HR, and then poorly ported to PC by another dev.

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

old franchise that are on going and still strong.

And Deus Ex The Fall got a total score of 2.2 on metacritic... Sounds strong too!

Played all 4 franchises? Alrighty then..

Then please explain how do you not know the fact that Deus Ex The Fall was a MOBILE GAME made by an Eidos Montreal without the people who made DX:HR, and then poorly ported to PC by another dev.

And how does that exclude it from being part of the franchise?

Pray tell me that?

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

I would say Deus Ex, prefer it to Half Life. Dont care about Mario or Zelda. Though give that Mario and Zelda is linked to Nintendo i guess those are the choice as long as Nintendo continues bringing out games. But Deus Ex is the better game.

 

[communist gamer]

old franchise that are on going and still strong.

And Deus Ex The Fall got a total score of 2.2 on metacritic... Sounds strong too!

Played all 4 franchises? Alrighty then..

Then please explain how do you not know the fact that Deus Ex The Fall was a MOBILE GAME made by an Eidos Montreal without the people who made DX:HR, and then poorly ported to PC by another dev.

And how does that exclude it from being part of the franchise?

Pray tell me that?

The fall was considered very good on phones/tablets. Rellesing it onto the PC/console (i think console?) was the bad idea because IOS and android have inferentially less capability then consoles and PCs. Anyways Deus ex is a very important installment, at least for PC. You know what is the problem with the whole question? Comparing games from a console and a PC. Mario and Zelda are very important games, for consoles, in fact they are one o THE most important. Deus ex and Half-life are up there with Planescape: Torment and fallout 1 + 2, meaning they are a part of THE most important installments of PC gaming, but comparing DE and HL to M and Z is stupid, because they are important to two different systems and are not even in the same category of games (if anyone calls zelda a RPG, you gone get smacked, its a hack and slash) Its like comparing NFS and Civ, dose not work

 

[SidheKnight]

While the legacies of Mario and Zelda are undeniably larger, I still prefer Deus Ex and Half-Life.

And I'm glad to know I'm not the only one.

 

[Lunar Templar]

Really? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M] *snirckers*

If you honestly think Half Life or Deus Ex are even on the same level as Mario or Zelda in terms of legacy, your nuts. Mario and Zelda have both had multiple entries that have changed the gaming land scape permanently. Half Life added what? I new way for story telling? You mean that thing no ones even bothered trying to do, even on the PC, since?

You'd have better luck with the physics based stuff in HL2, but even that's little more then a novelty at best anymore. As for Deus Ex, RPG elements in non traditional style games (IE; FPS) I guess? Eh ... not convinced that natural progression wouldn't have gotten us there anyway. Sure there's that '1 problem 1000 solutions' thing Dues Ex is know for, but I'm talking about legacy, the marks left on the industry that make them important.

and despite what you, and others like you think. Half Life and Deus Ex have not really left any meaningful mark on the gaming industry, and they are certainly not even close to the same level as far as impact goes then Mario or Zelda.

also, LOL, Stalker, XD yeah no, even with all the PC fanboys on this site I don't see it pop up even half as much as Bayonetta.

 

[DOOM GUY]

Well, when it comes to personal preference, I much prefer Deus Ex and Half-Life (only the first Half-Life and its expansions though, never really cared for HL2) though I just prefer PC games in general, especially old DOS and Win9x games.

I'm not a huge fan of Mario, and other than A Link to the Past I don't even like The Legend of Zelda, but they certainly have a bigger, and way longer legacy than Deus Ex and Half-Life do.

 

[thanatos388]

What I see is people completely missing the freaking point.
The question is obviously about their impact in gaming mechanics and not culture otherwise. Of course someone is going to recognize Mario instead of Gordon Freeman.
Look...
Shooters today would not exist, if it wasn't for Half-Life.
Let's put it this way.
Also, technologically, Half-Life was stunning. It leaped animations of video games light-years ahead. It's physics and weapon mechanics are well known in the gaming industry to this day and not to even MENTION the way it's mod, Counter-Strike affected shooters.

And wait a minute, who hated Human Revolution? That game captured the original perfectly! The only people who hate DX:HR are the people who hate the original and like Invisible War.

So you're saying that a boring linear corridor shooter, with a mute protagonist, an extremely limited color palette, and no actual 'gameplay' aside from 'point and click', is how a "gaming experience should be"?

Were you born in 2004? Are you for real? This comment oozes with ignorance.
Trust me, if you had played Half-Life the day it came out, you wouldn't be so ignorant about this.
Man, get the hell out of here and play Half-Life, then come back, because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about..

Yeah, if you played it back in the day. No matter when you are born you can enjoy the original Mario and Zelda games. And really I would that Zelda had an influence on both Deus Ex and Half-Life (exploration of an open world, being able to attack NPCs, doing things out of order, etc). And how would shooters today not exist without Half-Life? Quake, Doom, and Wolfenstein all came before Half-Life and most shooters like Call of Duty and Battlefield feel more like those games than Half-Life. It was a technological advancement but gameplay wise it was refined and made better by everyone else almost immediately. Not to mention how Ultima underworld came before them too. You really give to much credit to Half-Life and graphics and animations only go so far as far as earning a legacy.

 

[WeepingAngels]

Are you serious?

I could show pictures of Gordon Freeman and Mario to literally anyone. Can you guess which one people will recognize?

Hint; It'sa me!

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anyone who? hardcore PC gamer? or casual gamers or non gamers?

Mario is popular among non gamers and majority of things that are popular are crap in my book. if you ask any hardcore PC gamer. they will say Half life is better than Mario. while not denying mario is not good because it is.

I bet you are a hit at parties.

Yes anyone, do you think most "hardcore" gamers didn't start years ago with Mario and/or Zelda? Are we to believe that PC gamers are unaware of Mario or Zelda?

Even if you believe that Half Life is better than Mario, that wasn't the question that was asked.