Is Halo the new Star Wars?

[AboveUp]

I think it has the potenetial to be as medicore as the Starwars franchise. Just look at how the games are arranged compared to the movies...

1) Halo(The 2nd best one) 1) Starwars Episode IV: A New Hope(the 2nd best one)

2) Halo 2(The Best one) 2) Starwars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back( The best one)

3) Halo 3(The most dissapointing one) 3) Starwars Episode VI: (the most dissapointing)



Now all Halo needs are 3 more bad games to be worth the amount of crap like the new starwras movies and the series will have been milked just like the Starwars franchise...

A series of 3 games explaining how Master Chief became the well known man in green armor, instead of a series of 3 movies explaining how Darth Vader became the well known man in a black suit?

 

[Monarch of Greenwich]

99% of the people in the world couldn't tell you shit about the Halo story. You can't say the same about Star Wars. Fuck, I own Halo 3 and got out of it a very generic and dull story. Any comparisons can only be drawn from a Halo fanboy's mind.

If you didn't play Halo 1 or 2 than you have NO right to insult the story but if you did than you just don't have very good taste

1. I did, and the story was never anything to get crazy about. And if someone did come in to it without the first two shouldn't the game do something to pull them in?

2. I could say that your tastes aren't good for you liking it. Opinion is seperate from fact so please don't judge me by that kthxbai.

I wasn't really jugging you I was kind of being sarcastic because you said that only halo fanboys could understand the story and I would be considered a Halo fanboy, so really I was kind of making fun of myself but not many people get my jokes anyway

Yeah eat it Shivari!!! (Insert witty and logical comeback here)

 

[Monarch of Greenwich]

I think it has the potenetial to be as medicore as the Starwars franchise. Just look at how the games are arranged compared to the movies...

1) Halo(The 2nd best one) 1) Starwars Episode IV: A New Hope(the 2nd best one)

2) Halo 2(The Best one) 2) Starwars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back( The best one)

3) Halo 3(The most dissapointing one) 3) Starwars Episode VI: (the most dissapointing)



Now all Halo needs are 3 more bad games to be worth the amount of crap like the new starwras movies and the series will have been milked just like the Starwars franchise...

A series of 3 games explaining how Master Chief became the well known man in green armor, instead of a series of 3 movies explaining how Darth Vader became the well known man in a black suit?

I don't get it, is this an insult, an agreement with me, or a neutral answer?

 

[AboveUp]

Agreeing, since I wouldn't be too surprised if they'd actually milk the franchise to the point of creating that in game form.

 

[CatcherJJ]

No, no, and no again.

I can make this into a 3 page essay if push comes to shove, but I will condense into several paragraphs for the sake of everyone.

Halo, while unbelievably popular within the gaming community, is part of a niche form of entertainment. Star Wars, on the other hand, began as a movie which already makes it part of a much larger market that is applicable to EVERYONE. And it's as simple as that. If you reversed the roles and released the Halo Trilogy as a movie series and Star Wars originally as a game, Halo is the new star wars and vice versa. Movies appeal to 100% of populations, games appeal to 50% on a good day.

But even then, Halo's Story doesn't hold a candle to the star wars Universe. Halo is generic, though interesting and fun, sci-fi and can never be more. Aliens attacking Earth is possibly the most over-used theme for a story in any genre. It still may be good but star wars' story has a certain "feel" to it that couldn't be duplicated. Star wars puts you into a Universe that is unique and at times feels like a living, breathing galactic civilization.

Make sure you understand that this is coming from a star wars fans brain so it is biased.

 

[the monopoly guy]

no, star wars has at leats 3 undeniably great films and games. Yes, Halo sold out and sold out fast but that was with one great game, a second good game, and a third average game on the way. Star wars did not deteriorate that quickly.

 

[Monarch of Greenwich]

no, star wars has at leats 3 undeniably great films and games. Yes, Halo sold out and sold out fast but that was with one great game, a second good game, and a third average game on the way. Star wars did not deteriorate that quickly.

It could, it did, and Halo will eventually degrade to the lvl of Starwars

 

[The Wooster]

I haven't seen anything in Halo that really shows the originality of the franchise - it's pretty standard sci-fi stuff, really.
Star Wars, in it's day, was a very original cross between science fiction and the stereotypical medieval fantasy cliches, and some how it all just worked. And, of course, Lightsabres.

Until there are more people other than just the stereotypical immature male American teenager talking smack with a shamfeully high pitched voice on Xbox Live, and legions of disproportionally male obsessed fans dressing as Marines and Brutes and Master Chiefs carting around replica weapons to game conventions and selling pathetically over priced items on online auctions site, Halo doesn't even come _close_ to Star Wars.

there is allot more to Halos story than you think, you just have to look. for example, In the novels there are some great stories about the inner workings of the covenant and how its social structure is under the constant threat of a total breakdown while the only thing keeping them together is a zealot mad with power and leading his people on a path of destruction

The books are even shittier than the game. Halo 3 won't be classic sci fi because really, when you get down to it, it's Aliens with a dude.

 

[Littaly]

Simple awnser: NO!

 

[Aries_Split]

I haven't seen anything in Halo that really shows the originality of the franchise - it's pretty standard sci-fi stuff, really.
Star Wars, in it's day, was a very original cross between science fiction and the stereotypical medieval fantasy cliches, and some how it all just worked. And, of course, Lightsabres.

Until there are more people other than just the stereotypical immature male American teenager talking smack with a shamfeully high pitched voice on Xbox Live, and legions of disproportionally male obsessed fans dressing as Marines and Brutes and Master Chiefs carting around replica weapons to game conventions and selling pathetically over priced items on online auctions site, Halo doesn't even come _close_ to Star Wars.

there is allot more to Halos story than you think, you just have to look. for example, In the novels there are some great stories about the inner workings of the covenant and how its social structure is under the constant threat of a total breakdown while the only thing keeping them together is a zealot mad with power and leading his people on a path of destruction

The books are even shittier than the game. Halo 3 won't be classic sci fi because really, when you get down to it, it's Aliens with a dude.

Dude, you are such a butfucker on so many lvls that I'll just wait until you reply about me callling you a buttfucker three times buttfucker.

The escapist doesn't really cater to your type. *COUGH*immaturity*COUGH*.
I suggest you do some growing up, or at least think before you post again.

 

[windfish]

Let's, uh, calm down here. I'd say no, because Star Wars will never die. Even though George Lucas has tried his best for 10 solid years to murder and disfigure it, Star Wars will (like The Metal) live on. Halo will not replace Star Wars because Star Wars was the beginning. You can't go back to the beginning again.

Let's draw an interesting parallel. In general, reviewers and players (including me) have acknowledged that Zelda: Twilight Princess is a brilliant game. Many believe it to be better in all ways than Ocarina of Time. However, it will can never measure up to Ocarina, because no matter how much it improved on the formula, Ocarina of time brought the series into 3D with a bang, and you can't do that again. While Dune in 1965 brought Sci-Fi to a new age of epics, Star Wars brought it to the masses in a way that changed movies, Sci-fi, and culture forever. Halo convinced frat boys to take Madden out of the XBoxes. It's just not the same.

 

[mark_n_b]

Littaly's one word sentiment is really all you need.

It doesn't even need the exclamation mark and all caps. I mean, come on. This is a silly question. You may like Halo a whole bunch but how can anyone even venture to compare Star Wars to Halo. Let's look at the comparative scale, there's Lord of The Rings, Star Trek, and Star Wars. There is nothing else up there. The next level would likely be the Mario level, Samus and Sonic are up there. But Master Chief... I think you can put him on the next lowest tier with Solid Snake and Final Fantasy.

And that's not a burn, that is still really really good. It's better than Half Life. The problem comes from trying to compare Halo to something that is clearly levels above it.

Look, Green Arrow is an excellent super hero, he fights for the little guy, his story lines are always full of drama and real human emotion. And he's even had a couple of Justice League cartoons focus exclusively on him. But can you honestly compare him to Batman? To explain the metaphor for the less sophisticated forum goers, Halo = Green Arrow.

I will say this, going against the flow of a lot of the people on this thread: There is nothing inherently unoriginal or average about the subject material of Halo, So Aliens have taken over the earth, many excellent sci-fi stories are premised on that exact theme. Star Wars action is set around an oppressive conquering force rudely taking control and ruling, difference being it is more than one planet. Where Halo does not compare to Star Wars is in the art and passion with which it was assembled; the ground breaking nature of the work; and the universal nature and themes of the story, based on the structure of the epic tale.

And a good 80-90% of the Star Wars games and Star Wars / Halo novels are derivative, unimaginative, and just plain lousy (three different ways of saying the same thing I know, but well earned in this case, someone smack Lucasarts and Bunjie for letting their IPs suffer these corporate shenanigans).

 

[geldonyetich]

There's been better Sci-Fi than Star Wars going on lately. For example, Firefly, Mass Effect, even Wall-E. Halo is more of a Starship Troopers sort of thing.

Clone Wars looks like it might be good. You know what they aught to have done with the Star Wars MMORPG is make it take place during the clone wars.

 

[windfish]

Another parallel - Zelda didn't replace LOTR as the source of fantasy.

To put something in perspective, LOTR is the third highest selling book worldwide. Numbers one and two? The BIBLE and the KORAN.

 

[shatnershaman]

This thread has fallen to the "Halo" disease.

 

[Lord Krunk]

Whoa, holy crap. This thread should be locked as a Halo fanboy attractor.

A game is only as good as its fanboys.

In regards to Halo, fanboys ruined it.

In regards to Counter Strike; the immaturity is too overwhelming.

In regards to TF2, players are genuinely nice.

In regards to WoW, get a life. Seriously.

In regards to Guitar Hero, throw away that plastic thing and get a REAL one.

On-topic now, Bungie may be like LucasArts in milking old (yet successful) franchises -hell, it might become Nintendo's American counterpart- but Halo will never be Star Wars.

The End.

Oh, and to fanboys out there, play the Half Life games (and ACTUALLY do it), it will do you a world of good. (Hey, it did for me!)

 

[shatnershaman]

Oh, and to fanboys out there, play the Half Life games (and ACTUALLY do it), it will do you a world of good. (Hey, it did for me!)

Seconded, All should try Halflife2 Episode2 it is quite enjoyable

EDIT:Bad spelling

 

[Copter400]

Nah. Doesn't have the sort of fan base and potential for new stuff that Star Wars does.

Eventually, the best they'll be able to come up with is 'the Flood comes back'.

 

[Anton P. Nym]

Oh, and to fanboys out there, play the Half Life games (and ACTUALLY do it), it will do you a world of good. (Hey, it did for me!)

Snerk. Nice words from the Half Life fanboy.

Seriously, what do you call someone who pisses all over a list of games and then tells everyone that game [x] is much better, will make you smarter, extend your sex life, and straighten your teeth? If that's not a fanboy, what is?

I love Halo, myself. I enjoyed Half-Life & TF2, but not as much. I haven't played WoW or Guitar Hero, but I'd never run someone down for doing so. Counterstrike's not to my tastes, but lots of others enjoy it and good for them. Stop being some sort of squalling brat who thinks that your game makes you superior to everyone else, and recognise that different tastes don't necessarily mean "better" or "worse".

Grow up.

-- Steve

 

[Lord Krunk]

Oh, and to fanboys out there, play the Half Life games (and ACTUALLY do it), it will do you a world of good. (Hey, it did for me!)

Snerk. Nice words from the Half Life fanboy.

Seriously, what do you call someone who pisses all over a list of games and then tells everyone that game [x] is much better, will make you smarter, extend your sex life, and straighten your teeth? If that's not a fanboy, what is?

I love Halo, myself. I enjoyed Half-Life & TF2, but not as much. I haven't played WoW or Guitar Hero, but I'd never run someone down for doing so. Counterstrike's not to my tastes, but lots of others enjoy it and good for them. Stop being some sort of squalling brat who thinks that your game makes you superior to everyone else, and recognise that different tastes don't necessarily mean "better" or "worse".

Grow up.

-- Steve

Hey, hey. I was not 'pissing' on the games, I was pissing on the people who make them less fun. Quite the contrary, I enjoy a lot of the games there, I was only providing examples of how it's not the game that's bad, it's the people that play it.

And what's a 'snerk'?

EDIT: I fancy myself as a Tim Schafer fanboy, but Half-Life is my freferred FPS.