Is Hollywood a purveyor of garbage?

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BaronVH

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It definitely is for the lowest common denominator. One thing to get out of the way first, I was not suggesting Die Hard as a bad movie. I like it quite a bit. What you see from the business side of things is that when something is successful, they replicate the snot out of it until the well is dry. That is why there are so many low budget PG-13 horror movies and so few R rated ones. Personally, I do not care if they make tons of crap as long as there still are great movies that come out. I am pretty good at knowing what I plan to watch in the future. I cannot wait for Interstellar. I also am a movie collector with tons of very old films, and I always have something great to watch. This weekend the family watched Driving Miss Daisy and Inception. Inception is a good example of a movie made not for the lowest common denominator at all, and it is fairly recent. Television is a different matter entirely. Thanks to reality TV costing next to nothing, good television is very hard to find. Thank goodness for HBO. Except for when they cancelled Deadwood. For shame for that.
 

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Well, I'll certainly take a look at Driving Ms. Daisy, any other movies you might suggest? I'm in the mood for some new experiences.
 

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Ok, so how come no shots have been fired against the desolator of childhood memories, the 'asplosion king himself, Michael Bay?
I'll just say Transformers and TNMT. That is all.
As far as Cage is concerned, i believe that he's just so bad that he's good. He wouldn't be an internet sensation otherwise.
 

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Twinrehz said:
Well, I'll certainly take a look at Driving Ms. Daisy, any other movies you might suggest? I'm in the mood for some new experiences.
The easiest is to see what movies are above 90 on rotten tomatoes. Without knowing more, it is hard to recommend films in a vacuum. I have to say this year, I have really enjoyed the Grand Budapest Hotel and Guardians of the Galaxy. All time? Lawrence of Arabia, Godfather, anything by Spielberg, Psycho, Shaun of the Dead, all Monty Python, Casablanca, Patton, Braveheart, and countless others. 2001 is in my top three, but I am not sure I would recommend that to many.
 

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Well, I normally subscribe to this opinion, but they did just recently release Boyhood, so there's life in the old dog yet.

I prefer European/Latin/Middle-Eastern cinema, honestly.
 

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Twinrehz said:
Ok, my Cage-example was perhaps a bad one. I honestly haven't seen that many movies with Cage (I've seen The Rock, and some of National Treasure, that's about all I remember having seen with him).

Signa said:
I think "red title movies" are far more of a problem than the Cage example


On the whole, I do agree. Hollywood is almost completely shit now. Guardians was the first movie I've seen in years that I've enjoyed as much as I did, and even so, there were flaws that bothered me.
Oh wow, that is actually a thing. Maybe Hollywood is not so stupid after all, they subliminally label stuff that might be junk.
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Huh...never noticed that before.
And that was one of the weaker examples I've seen pasted together like that. The first time I saw this phenomenon depicted, there was a grid of at least 12 movies, not those 4.
 

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BaronVH said:
Twinrehz said:
Well, I'll certainly take a look at Driving Ms. Daisy, any other movies you might suggest? I'm in the mood for some new experiences.
The easiest is to see what movies are above 90 on rotten tomatoes. Without knowing more, it is hard to recommend films in a vacuum. I have to say this year, I have really enjoyed the Grand Budapest Hotel and Guardians of the Galaxy. All time? Lawrence of Arabia, Godfather, anything by Spielberg, Psycho, Shaun of the Dead, all Monty Python, Casablanca, Patton, Braveheart, and countless others. 2001 is in my top three, but I am not sure I would recommend that to many.
Well, I've seen 2001 a couple of times already, I've also read the book, and seen the sequel (haven't gotten around to finding the remaining books yet). I've seen most of Kubrick's more famous movies, I guess I could take a closer look at the lesser known as well. I love the movies that Kubrick has made, it's why I shelled out full price for a Kubrick Collection Box.

How do you feel about Hitchcock? He's quite the visionary producer as well, isn't he? I know he made Psycho, but I don't know the titles of any other movies he's made.

Nanondorf said:
Ok, so how come no shots have been fired against the desolator of childhood memories, the 'asplosion king himself, Michael Bay?
I'll just say Transformers and TNMT. That is all.
As far as Cage is concerned, i believe that he's just so bad that he's good. He wouldn't be an internet sensation otherwise.
True, I forgot about him. I don't know what to say though, other than that transformers was just disappointing. I guess that particular path has been trodden so many times, we've grown tired of mocking Michael Bay.

Oh my god, is he making another transformers movie? To paraphrase Jim Carrey: Somebody STOP him!
 

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You won't find many thought provoking movies being made by major studios because their products need to appeal to a wide demographic so they can't be too thought provoking.
It's like complaining that mainstream radios only play pop music.
Watch indie movies, that's where the creativity is, that's where you can actually find surprises, something fresh that you've never seen before.

Also, have you tried watching foreign films? I know subtitles are scary but you're missing out on tons of greatness by only sticking to US releases.
 

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HardkorSB said:
You won't find many thought provoking movies being made by major studios because their products need to appeal to a wide demographic so they can't be too thought provoking.
It's like complaining that mainstream radios only play pop music.
Watch indie movies, that's where the creativity is, that's where you can actually find surprises, something fresh that you've never seen before.

Also, have you tried watching foreign films? I know subtitles are scary but you're missing out on tons of greatness by only sticking to US releases.
I don't mind indie or foreign films with subtitles, I just don't know where to look. I have nothing against subtitles, here in Norway we're raised on american pop-culture and subtitles. Unlike more southern parts of Europe, where they dub EVERYTHING. (Imagine Dirty Harry with a grim expression on his face, uttering the words "hende hoch"). Anyways.

The big question is, where do I look?
 

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Twinrehz said:
HardkorSB said:
You won't find many thought provoking movies being made by major studios because their products need to appeal to a wide demographic so they can't be too thought provoking.
It's like complaining that mainstream radios only play pop music.
Watch indie movies, that's where the creativity is, that's where you can actually find surprises, something fresh that you've never seen before.

Also, have you tried watching foreign films? I know subtitles are scary but you're missing out on tons of greatness by only sticking to US releases.
I don't mind indie or foreign films with subtitles, I just don't know where to look. I have nothing against subtitles, here in Norway we're raised on american pop-culture and subtitles. Unlike more southern parts of Europe, where they dub EVERYTHING. (Imagine Dirty Harry with a grim expression on his face, uttering the words "hende hoch"). Anyways.

The big question is, where do I look?
The Criterion Collection is a great source of quality international films. The problem is that my understanding is that they are strictly a Region A operation, so many may not be available to you, but their list can get you started. I cannot stand to watch dubbed films and will only watch subtitled ones. Another issue, is that the Criterion Collection is a small list, and many current international films cannot be included. Some newer international films that blew me away were City of God, Life During Wartime, The Raid, and especially The Raid 2. I agree that if you do not branch out to international films, you are missing out on much.