Is Humanity a Plague ?

[viranimus]

The issue of morality is something that humans have created. Without sentient beings, there is no good or evil.

Quoted for truth.

Now is humanity a plague? Absolutely and without question. However we are only a plague in consideration of the fact that we refuse to manage our species responsibly. We have the intellect, we have the capacity, we just choose to allow our population to grow unchecked. (well China is trying to fix the damage they have done, but it is still not enough)

Our population should have never been allowed to exceed one billion people. Almost every major problem we face as a civilization today can be traced back to there being entirely too many people on the planet fucking things up for everyone.

I hate hearing people saying things like were making progress because they look at our history about 500-1000 years ago when warlords traveled the lands terrorizing the countryside. When death was a fear around every corner from inadequate medicine to the whims of governmental oppression. As if we are some sort of enlightened and benevolent species now or that were even headed that direction. Over 500 years ago, disease ravaged our global population and in a span of half a decade our population was reduced by 100 million people thanks in part to our ignorance and lack of medical knowledge. Roughly 400 years later we did roughly the same number of deaths over a roughly equivalent period of time through purposeful intentional destruction of others. We are more damaging and destructive now as a species than we ever have been in our history. Again this is another instance that can be traced back to there being entirely too many people. The more "civilized" we grow, the more destructive we become. We think because we have medical science, luxury technology, and have in effect subdued the general population to force morality on the widest berth of people so as people do not randomly kill each other with the same level of frequency any longer somehow makes us better people now.

We are a plague. A plague of our own creation, but certainly a plague none the less.

 

[lacktheknack]

We are not a disease, we are predators. All life that preys on other life kills to live. It's a part of nature, just like viruses are a part of nature. And as life always does, It will find a way to adapt.

What about the species that have gone extinct because of us? Those creatures didn't adapt fast enough and now their gone. What about the irreversible damage we have done to certain parts of the world.

We won. YAY!

See also: Verneshots, supervolcanoes, hypercanes, megatsunamis and meteor strikes. Our irreversible damage is a small section of a thin layer of the onion that is irreversably damaged Earth.

http://www.mailce.com/wp-content/uploads/2_62201012658_17425.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/abyss.jpg

Above: Atmosphere-burning ocean-boiling life-wiping impacts from space that make hydrogen bombs feel impotent.

You seem to imply that humanity has done more damage than the world has done to itself. How bizarrely arrogant.

 

[The Lunatic]

No, we're just intelligent enough to know how to run this world.

The idea that we're a "Virus" just sounds silly and angsty.

We're just very good at what we do.

 

[Robert Ewing]

I hate it when people start referencing humanity as the destroyer of Earth and essentially a virus and shit. They always blow it waaaay out of proportion. Like when the Russians supposedly made a bomb that could destroy the Earth in one fell swoop. Bullshit, that shit was barely visible from space. Destroying the Amazon rainforest? Well, yes initially, but we replanted that shit. What kind of a business ethic is 'destroy forest, left with no more forests, ????, profit.' Of course you're going to replant them. And as a result of human replanting instead of it happening naturally, there is 15% more tree's in the Amazon than there was in the freaking first place. And how we're pumping more CO2 into the atmosphere, so CO2 levels in the air have gone from 0.04% to.... oh, 0.039%. Well it turns out that shits going down, but since one film made while this was still a new idea told us we were idiots saying that the greenhouse effect is more deadly than godzilla in Tokyo, we all took his word for it. Al Gore said CO2 would skyrocket these past few years, creating a absolute melting point in 2020. It just fucking hasn't... And I know that 2020 hasn't come yet, but it reaaaaallly doesn't look like all the words ice reserves are going to melt by then.

Yes we're one destructive race. We've shifted more Earth than any organism to ever roam the face of the planet, we constantly blow shit up, we pollute, we farm. But that's coming to an end now, we have caused all of those problems, yes, but what people overlook, is that we are also pretty good at solving the problems we create. People (Western countries at least) Are starting to progress to a more advance, cleaner, safer future.

We've gone through our relatively short period of absolute destructibility (200 - 300 years give or take) and are starting to claw ourselves out into a sort of race that understands how the Earth works, and how to make it not blow up in our faces. The period of destruction is coming to an end, have faith in science guys.

For our 2 million year evolution cycle, 200 - 300 years of being dicks to our home isn't really too bad all things considered.

But I'm still all in favour of leaving Earth for greener pastures. Or maybe bluer pastures. Our minds and imaginations were made to live among stars.

 

[Spygon]

I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.

Agent Smith was right.

Yes because rabbits,rats and other mammals do not breed until they run out resources.We are the perfect example of a succesful mammal species.Mammals breed in an area until they run out of resources then they move.

We just breed too well so Agent Smith does not know what a mammal is.

 

[lacktheknack]

We are not a disease, we are predators. All life that preys on other life kills to live. It's a part of nature, just like viruses are a part of nature. And as life always does, It will find a way to adapt.

What about the species that have gone extinct because of us? Those creatures didn't adapt fast enough and now their gone. What about the irreversible damage we have done to certain parts of the world.

We won. YAY!

See also: Verneshots, supervolcanoes, hypercanes, megatsunamis and meteor strikes. Our irreversible damage is a small section of a thin layer of the onion that is irreversably damaged Earth.

http://www.mailce.com/wp-content/uploads/2_62201012658_17425.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/abyss.jpg


Above: Atmosphere-burning ocean-boiling life-wiping impacts from space that make hydrogen bombs feel impotent.

You seem to imply that humanity has done more damage than the world has done to itself. How bizarrely arrogant.

All that stuff was going to happen anyways. You can't compare something that has no intelligent thought to a life form that can make choices. Humans are the most arrogant things on the planet, never wanting to own up to what they have done. Why take responsibility when we can just point the finger at Planet Earth and go, "It has done damage to." This makes you sound like a little kid.

You missed an important part of it.

We've done damage, yes.

But it doesn't matter.

How will we EVER do as much damage as a well-aimed meteor? And notice how the Earth has survived dozens of those. If figuring out that 0.05% isn't very much makes me sound like a little kid, you don't want to know what attacking humanity as a whole makes YOU sound like.

 

[A Satanic Panda]

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We are not a disease, we are predators. All life that preys on other life kills to live. It's a part of nature, just like viruses are a part of nature. And as life always does, It will find a way to adapt.

What about the species that have gone extinct because of us? Those creatures didn't adapt fast enough and now their gone. What about the irreversible damage we have done to certain parts of the world.

Humans are not alone in driving species to extension, but undoubtedly have the highest score. The problem is we are just too efficient at hunting, and there is 7 billions mouths to feed. And we can't even feed all of them as it is. We (debatably) expand because we need to. If we never take from other species, then other species will take from us. And as predators, that's what were good at.

As for the damage we have done, it's not irreversible. Not even large asteroids cause permanent damage.

About 600 million years ago, the Earth was flooded with a toxic gas created by bacteria. Most of the life on Earth at the time (which was almost all bacteria) suffocated because it had nothing to breath. Do you know what we call that toxic gas? Oxygen.

 

[Pyro Paul]

face it if humans died out maybe some real improvements could be made.

except not...
Existance is Chaos.

the idea to achieve perfection, unity, or some other utopian value of a perfect civilization is by default an act against nature which causes said civilization to be agressive, invasive, and destructive of all things around it.

The only 'Perfect' in all existance is Absolute Zero.
and at Absolute Zero there is nothing...

 

[ozium]

Its funny really,just like the "worst case ending" for ME3 wiping out all of organic life int he universe to end all the conflicts between life is really the most logical choice. But the only thing I don't agree with was all of organic life to me its only humans with such an evil mentality the influences and infects others all of aspects of civilization.

Living" humans strive to be happy and seek what will make them happy all of the time whither its wants of material things or people or money "

Relationships" love and sex were originally the most wonderful thing God allowed us to have and do but people have abused the f#$% out of it and looks whats it come to, all people want is sex, porn, mags, strip clubs, hormone injections LOL its beyond pathetic.

acknowledgment of its own race" whites, Blacks, Spaniards,Indians, etc every race has its differences but it seems everyone has problems with everyone and history isn't as black and white ( no pun intended ) as people think does anyone ever think what could have been altered does anyone ever think what there real history in tales or the real question is does anyone care, no not really"

the Planet: the air is bed the ocean is half destroyed animals killed and abused by the dozen everyday in many ways and for many reason some justifiable and most of them AREN'T and most of them I don't care to list especially China and US...

Alot of these facts are consistently used in any type of Sci-fic, Fantasy, or story based some less then others but it really makes me wonder why would aliens take after a lot of human ignorance ever wonder why none have made contact because they don't want to be bothered with a much of savages.

Humans have more negatives the positives about them but everything stems from somewhere but I won't say, if you did your history you'll already know, but most of you will probably say blame it on the devil but I doubt satan would want a bunch of thick skulls who think about a womens breasts and see who has the biggest dick 24/7.

anyone like to prove me wrong? prove me wrong that all men are thick twat skulls that can only function if they have sex every other hour or need to head to strip club every weekend and get drunk, and all women think of themselves, more then just 99.9% men has labeled them through the years.

face it if humans died out maybe some real improvements could be made.
any comments?

OK, let me just tell you how the world works. get ready because you're not going to like it.

The large multinational fast food companies feed people extremely unhealthy food.

The people get fat and unhealthy and then develop deadly diseases.

The energy industry burns fossil fuels and poisons the air.

Cars burn fossil fuels and poison the air.

The media constantly plagues peoples minds with sexual imagery.

People are led to believe that uncontrolled copious amounts of Sex are good for them.

People don't use protection whilst having sex and transfer diseases to other people.

So now we have disgusting air, disgusting food and STDs.

People develop diseases such as heart disease (bought on by the disgusting food), Cancer (bought on by polluted air and disgusting food) and many STDs (bought on by unprotected sex)

Now the big Pharmaceuticals come into play.

They offer "Treatment" but not a cure. Why not a cure? The answer is obvious. A cure would be a one off fee. Treatment on the other hand is a constant stream of income.

As technology advances, scientist develop cures for these diseases. Their research is bough by the pharmaceutical companies and destroyed never to be heard of again.

Well dude, that's the world for you.

The reason why people on this website love games like Skyrim, Deus Ex is because it offers them a temporary escape from this sh*t-hole of a planet. Hence the name of this site.

There will never be a time when everything is powered by the power of the sun and hydrogen.

There will never be a time when all that comes out of a cars exhaust is water vapor.

There will never be a time when diseases like Cancer and Aids are cured.

There will never be a time when a soldier can have his amputated arm be replaced by a neuro-prosthetic.

There will never be a time when gene therapy is used to cure genetic diseases.

There will never be a time when entire nations aren't screwed just for some disgusting black liquid.

Before you call me conspiracy theorist and label me insane, just think about what I have just said and see what I'm trying to say. Then remind yourself why you truly play games. To have fun, or to forget about this sh*t-hole.

If your looking for someone to blame for all this, just take a look in the mirror. The funding for this sh*t comes out of your pocket.

 

[Lugbzurg]

This very much reminds me of an episode of Doctor Who called "Burn with Me", I believe. Somewhere along the line, The Doctor gets infected and starts blurting out something like...

"Humans! Humans! You take what you want and you bleed it dry!"

Kinda scary. I've been forming a villain character, myself who thinks very much like all of this. The most dangerous villains are often the ones who believe they're actually doing us some good.

 

[Dimitriov]

No. That was easy: next question?

Seriously, what are you even talking about? How exactly could improvements be made if humans died out? Who would make these improvements? Who would benefit?

I am not even going to touch the rest of your post except to say that your ignorance is incredibly offensive. If people like you died out (for example by educating themselves) then maybe we could make some improvements.

 

[oZode]

A plague? hell no.

Humans if anything are a god damn blessing to this miserable planet.

Yeah there were times we due to lack of knowledge of what we were doing damaged the earth a bit, but guess what? WE FIXED IT. You can go on about the atrocities humans have condoned, but seeing humans are just an animal with the ability to go far beyond any other using their opposable thumbs to an extent beyond anything else on this planet by far and we are still a very emotional species, it only is inevitable that such atrocities happen.

However that is no excuse to claim humans are a plague of all things because humans are a blessing and do you wanna know why?

-We have saved multiple species from extinction. Pandas would have been long gone if it weren't for us you know.

-We help the ecosystem by replenishing what we have taken constantly. Other animals just move to somewhere else is resources get low. We humans on the other hand rebuild it.

-We create a world of beauty not even nature can replicate. Cities full of lights that light up the night sky, massive super structures that are thousands of feet high, the observatories on the mountains to observe the stars and space in ways no other creature has. How can you loathe humanity for such things? We made earth look even better than it already does, and that is saying a lot.

-We document things that normally would have been eaten away by the teeth of time, we keep a track record of the things that happen in this small green world of ours. No humans means no books, no windows to the imagination. Our pursuit of knowledge has driven us far, and misanthropes just want to give up.

-Monkeys, our distant cousins would never have learned sign language and dogs would have stayed as pack hunters and nothing more. We by far have the most symbiotic relationships of any animal on this planet.

And this is only a small fraction on humanities' resume of greatness it has done to this world. I could be here all day.

Why can't misanthropes just pull their head out of their ass and admit that humans are one of the best things to happen to this planet? They rather ***** about how horrid humans are and it is completely atrocious.

At least it seems multiple people do indeed share the same thoughts as me from what I have read in this thread, although insufferable misanthropes rear their ugly heads here as well.

 

[Da Orky Man]

We are not a disease, we are predators. All life that preys on other life kills to live. It's a part of nature, just like viruses are a part of nature. And as life always does, It will find a way to adapt.

What about the species that have gone extinct because of us? Those creatures didn't adapt fast enough and now their gone. What about the irreversible damage we have done to certain parts of the world.

We won. YAY!

See also: Verneshots, supervolcanoes, hypercanes, megatsunamis and meteor strikes. Our irreversible damage is a small section of a thin layer of the onion that is irreversably damaged Earth.

http://www.mailce.com/wp-content/uploads/2_62201012658_17425.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/abyss.jpg


Above: Atmosphere-burning ocean-boiling life-wiping impacts from space that make hydrogen bombs feel impotent.

You seem to imply that humanity has done more damage than the world has done to itself. How bizarrely arrogant.

All that stuff was going to happen anyways. You can't compare something that has no intelligent thought to a life form that can make choices. Humans are the most arrogant things on the planet, never wanting to own up to what they have done. Why take responsibility when we can just point the finger at Planet Earth and go, "It has done damage to." This makes you sound like a little kid.

You missed an important part of it.

We've done damage, yes.

But it doesn't matter.

How will we EVER do as much damage as a well-aimed meteor? And notice how the Earth has survived dozens of those. If figuring out that 0.05% isn't very much makes me sound like a little kid, you don't want to know what attacking humanity as a whole makes YOU sound like.

To make it better, the very existence of humanity may be able to prevent extinction-level asteroids from destroying Earth again, at least in the near future.

 

[Lugbzurg]

OK, let me just tell you how the world works. get ready because you're not going to like it.

The large multinational fast food companies feed people extremely unhealthy food.

The people get fat and unhealthy and then develop deadly diseases.

The energy industry burns fossil fuels and poisons the air.

Cars burn fossil fuels and poison the air.

The media constantly plagues peoples minds with sexual imagery.

People are led to believe that uncontrolled copious amounts of Sex are good for them.

People don't use protection whilst having sex and transfer diseases to other people.

So now we have disgusting air, disgusting food and STDs.

People develop diseases such as heart disease (bought on by the disgusting food), Cancer (bought on by polluted air and disgusting food) and many STDs (bought on by unprotected sex)

Now the big Pharmaceuticals come into play.

They offer "Treatment" but not a cure. Why not a cure? The answer is obvious. A cure would be a one off fee. Treatment on the other hand is a constant stream of income.

As technology advances, scientist develop cures for these diseases. Their research is bough by the pharmaceutical companies and destroyed never to be heard of again.

Well dude, that's the world for you.

The reason why people on this website love games like Skyrim, Deus Ex is because it offers them a temporary escape from this sh*t-hole of a planet. Hence the name of this site.

There will never be a time when everything is powered by the power of the sun and hydrogen.

There will never be a time when all that comes out of a cars exhaust is water vapor.

There will never be a time when diseases like Cancer and Aids are cured.

There will never be a time when a soldier can have his amputated arm be replaced by a neuro-prosthetic.

There will never be a time when gene therapy is used to cure genetic diseases.

There will never be a time when entire nations aren't screwed just for some disgusting black liquid.

Before you call me conspiracy theorist and label me insane, just think about what I have just said and see what I'm trying to say. Then remind yourself why you truly play games. To have fun, or to forget about this sh*t-hole.

If your looking for someone to blame for all this, just take a look in the mirror. The funding for this sh*t comes out of your pocket.

Actually, you'd be wrong about some of these things. Especially the bit about the prosthetics. I've seen such things in development, already.