Is Humanity a Plague ?

[Yearlongjester]

I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.

Agent Smith was right.

QFW (Quoted For Win!)

I could spend all day debating whether or not our species is some sort of naturally destructive organism. Honestly, does it matter? We won't get a firm answer one way or the other, its discussion fuel but nothing tangible. Even if we get confirmation that we are basically the cause of all evil and misery we won't, ahem, "Self-Terminate." If someone came up to me and told me I was the worst human being on the planet (and for argument's sake I agreed and didn't hit him/her) I'd just roll with it.

 

[Chefodeath]

I love how you get this attitude from the "humans are evil" crowd that still assumes humans are some big players. Oh yes, we are evil AND we alone have the power to destroy the entire fucking planet. Such ridiculous arrogance.

Humans are weak and ineffectual, both in their moral commitments and their abilities to cause harm or good. There are few who exhibit truly paradigmatic behavior of either god or evil, most just kind of slink around in the grey area.

As far as our environmental effect goes, well, we're less a plague and more a bunch of slobs who don't know how to clean up after ourselves.

 

[Warforger]

Its funny really,just like the "worst case ending" for ME3 wiping out all of organic life int he universe to end all the conflicts between life is really the most logical choice. But the only thing I don't agree with was all of organic life to me its only humans with such an evil mentality the influences and infects others all of aspects of civilization.

Just humans? Because of all species humans are probably the least evil considering that they don't need to be. But perhaps the thing though is there is no universal "evil" in the wild, predators need to kill to live, sure you can demonize that but there's no way to say that they have a choice.

Living" humans strive to be happy and seek what will make them happy all of the time whither its wants of material things or people or money "

Relationships" love and sex were originally the most wonderful thing God allowed us to have and do but people have abused the f#$% out of it and looks whats it come to, all people want is sex, porn, mags, strip clubs, hormone injections LOL its beyond pathetic.

Right. How is any of that abuse? If you think that is bad, just go look up the sex rituals of other species, they're even more depraved and pathetic.

the Planet: the air is bed the ocean is half destroyed animals killed and abused by the dozen everyday in many ways and for many reason some justifiable and most of them AREN'T and most of them I don't care to list especially China and US...

Again what's right and what's wrong is a creation of human's, truth is that the planet has gone through much worse catastrophe's that have annihilated vast swathes of animals from the face of the earth. Best example, a bunch of algae sprang up millions of years ago and released a toxic gas which killed most of the animals on the Earth, this toxic gas is what we call Oxygen.

Alot of these facts are consistently used in any type of Sci-fic, Fantasy, or story based some less then others but it really makes me wonder why would aliens take after a lot of human ignorance ever wonder why none have made contact because they don't want to be bothered with a much of savages.

Right. Who determines what's a savage again?

anyone like to prove me wrong? prove me wrong that all men are thick twat skulls that can only function if they have sex every other hour or need to head to strip club every weekend and get drunk, and all women think of themselves, more then just 99.9% men has labeled them through the years.

Erm society in general? You know like scientists or engineer's or environmentalists?

face it if humans died out maybe some real improvements could be made.
any comments?

You mean like what? Human's haven't done anything that nature hasn't done worse. But perhaps the worst part of this immature mindest is that it is way too general, humans are a very diverse group of species and generalizing nature into one group is an insult IMO, because of all things we know it is probably the most diverse and contradicting group of all and does not operate in any cohesion.

 

[lacktheknack]

Nuclear Holocaust anyone? Look up radiation posioning and how long it takes to fully recover. Getting killed is getting killed, it doesn't matter how big the event is. Unless you can live a huge nuclear strike. Which by the way, is man made. The meteor cannot be blamed for crashing into earth. A nuclear strike all over the world, yeah I can blame humanity for that because we could of chosen not to do it.

Two things.

1. We haven't initiated a nuclear holocaust, if we don't then your point is invalid, and if we DO then we all die. I'll concede that we managed a lot of damage to the Earth, and then I'll have all my skin peeled off.

2. No nuke we have developed or ever will develop can boil the oceans.

Someone missed the point. Instead of going around in circles, lets focus on something else. So you looking forward to any games on the horizon?

How about we re-establish our stances instead?

I am arguing that anything mankind has done up to this point is insignificant and irrelevant, and thus misanthropy is just dumb. Even more baffling to me is the idea that "saving Earth" by mass culling is somehow even a thing. Save it from what? Atomic redistribution? What does it care?

I get the feeling we're not seeing eye-to-eye, so tell me where you're coming from.

 

[oZode]

Spoiler: spoilsnip

Its funny really,just like the "worst case ending" for ME3 wiping out all of organic life int he universe to end all the conflicts between life is really the most logical choice. But the only thing I don't agree with was all of organic life to me its only humans with such an evil mentality the influences and infects others all of aspects of civilization.

Living" humans strive to be happy and seek what will make them happy all of the time whither its wants of material things or people or money "

Relationships" love and sex were originally the most wonderful thing God allowed us to have and do but people have abused the f#$% out of it and looks whats it come to, all people want is sex, porn, mags, strip clubs, hormone injections LOL its beyond pathetic.

acknowledgment of its own race" whites, Blacks, Spaniards,Indians, etc every race has its differences but it seems everyone has problems with everyone and history isn't as black and white ( no pun intended ) as people think does anyone ever think what could have been altered does anyone ever think what there real history in tales or the real question is does anyone care, no not really"

the Planet: the air is bed the ocean is half destroyed animals killed and abused by the dozen everyday in many ways and for many reason some justifiable and most of them AREN'T and most of them I don't care to list especially China and US...

Alot of these facts are consistently used in any type of Sci-fic, Fantasy, or story based some less then others but it really makes me wonder why would aliens take after a lot of human ignorance ever wonder why none have made contact because they don't want to be bothered with a much of savages.

Humans have more negatives the positives about them but everything stems from somewhere but I won't say, if you did your history you'll already know, but most of you will probably say blame it on the devil but I doubt satan would want a bunch of thick skulls who think about a womens breasts and see who has the biggest dick 24/7.

anyone like to prove me wrong? prove me wrong that all men are thick twat skulls that can only function if they have sex every other hour or need to head to strip club every weekend and get drunk, and all women think of themselves, more then just 99.9% men has labeled them through the years.

face it if humans died out maybe some real improvements could be made.
any comments?

I'm assuming you're either a troll, or a 14 year old girl. In either case, I would advise you educate yourself a little about the topic you're trying to talk about. The internet has plenty of good resources on ocean acidification, genetic diversity, evolutionary anthropology, etc. All these fields relate very well to the topic you're trying to talk about and you could really learn a lot by just googling some of those terms and browsing a bit.

Until then, however, please refrain from posting on the forums, especially if your post is riddled with illogical arguments, baseless evidence, horrific grammar, and above all a blatant arrogance of knowledgability that is completely undeserved. You believe you have the authority to pass judgement on the entirety of the human species; yet it's painfully obvious through your post that you don't know shit about the world. There are men out there who have slaved away their entire lives studying and trying to understand even the most minute detail of our natural world.These are Brilliant men-- men who's understanding of our place in the universe overshadows both yours and mine a hunderfold over; and yet they know perfectly well that they cant even begin to scratch the surface of what humanity's place in the universe is. So show some god damn humility when you talk.

You said there are men out there who have slaved away their lives to understand the natural world. When Einstein discovered the power of the atom, nobody asked him if we could use the power as an energy resource. The asked him to make a bomb. Hundreds of thousands of people died abruptly. Babies, little boys, little girls, men, women and seniors all died because a few men perverted the findings of a genius.

Well yeah, he discovered the finding in the middle of world war 2 when things like the nazis were threatening to exterminate all of non-aryan humanity for not having blue eyes and being blond. Also they did also use the discovery for energy, ever heard of nuclear power plants by any chance?

That's not my point. The Nuclear bomb was developed to escalate the war with Japan. Nuclear weapons were not used against the Nazis. The Nazis would have lost anyway. The US was far more technologically advanced. My point is that people still make nukes. Nobody has learned a lesson from the atrocities committed half a century ago. Also I know that nuclear power stations exist. Too bad that wasn't what was made first.

Are you freaken kidding? We are constantly diffusing nukes if I recall and the nuclear bomb ended war with japan, not escalated it. Hiroshima was the site of a major military base, which is why it was nuked. Many people didn't believe it was the right thing to do and the following cold war pretty much proves that we realize the consequences of nuclear war. No one (even people in power) wants a nuclear war for a good reason.

-seriously?-

Actually, you'd be wrong about some of these things. Especially the bit about the prosthetics. I've seen such things in development, already.

What ozen said is what you call a big list of negative assumptions because he just wants humans to burn, not because they actually are burning.

Most of the time it seems misanthropes hate themselves (they hate humans, self-hatred only makes sense) and want everyone to feel bad about themselves because of their own personal issues.

Actually, you'd be wrong about some of these things. Especially the bit about the prosthetics. I've already seen such things in development, actually.

He's completely right about the pharmaceutical companies' agendas though.

I know for a fact that they buy up and bury potential cures because it doesn't benefit them to cure people of their most profitable diseases. The only way cures for things like Cancer etc will ever be made is by private funding. Once it's a recognised treatment and available multinationally, there's not much they can do.

Correct, especially with the ever so powerful internet tool that can virally spread pretty much anything.

No amount of money can suppress that. It has been used on mostly useless things like internet memes over jokes and all, but it should seriously be used more for things like spreading that a independent company found a cure for cancer like how independent games become extremely popular and even compete with games made by corporations sometimes? It is fully possible especially in the digital age.

I don't hate myself and nor do I hate humans. I also wouldn't want anyone to feel bad. But this is the reality. People are suffering for the amusement of a few individuals. If this is how it will continue, the world in 2020 will be similar to how it is now with the only difference being that there are more people suffering from disease.

So you went to future and know this magically? Please tell me who got elected for the year 2016 for president in the USA than.

Erm OK. I never said I went forward in time. Don't know exactly where you got that from. I simply said the world in 2020 will be similar. A prediction not a solid statement.

You are claiming the year 2020 will be a shit hole, but I personally doubt that for reasons I have said multiple times. I love how you ignored almost everything else I said.

 

[Olas]

Last time I checked humans are really the only species that even cares about the survival of other species besides themselves and the world as a whole. You could therefore argue that we're easily the most peaceful and compassionate species on the planet. Do you think a shark cares if the fish it's eating is endangered? Humanity is uniquely conscientious about our impact on the environment. We've had the nuclear capability to wipe out all life on earth for nearly a hundred years, yet here we all are.
Sure we contribute to deforestation and pollution, but many of us also protest these things, we set up wildlife reserves, and fight to protect endangered species. This all seems like strange behavior for a "plague".

It's funny how as individuals we see most people as generally decent, yet the word 'humanity' immediately draws negative reactions.

 

[ResonanceSD]

If you really believe all that, why don't you go off yourself then? The rest of us will continue enjoying being the apex of evolution at the time being and not being all self loathing because of a few negatives.

Huh, I was going to say that this is a ridiculous, knee-jerk reaction to a probably-not-serious OP.

Then I thought, screw it. OP, do what he says.

I'm not entirely certain what the purpose of your post is. WE'RE ALL SHIT! Ok, fine, now what? Either join in the madness or kindly take yourself to Mars. =D

 

[Vanitas likes Bubbles]

OP is just being silly. Tis' misanthropes like himself that plague humanity.

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I call troll. Maybe Zeel made a new account?

You cannot stop the prophets return. Tis' inevitlbe you stupid fanboys.

[sub]Did not mean to offend. Twas' a joke[/sub]

 

[Doogan]

Spoiler

acknowledgment of its own race" whites, Blacks, Spaniards,Indians, etc every race

We are a Race of HUMANS what you are talking about is nationality, creed and colour of our species.

 

[the clockmaker]

Firstly, *cough* troll *cough*

But that's no fun, so I'll just paraphrase mister Burns, mother nature was perfectly happy to start this war when we were worrying about wolves wandering in the winter wind (that sentence may have got away from me a bit) but now that we are winning it's ooooo no eviromentalism and be nice to the vicious old bint.

And make no mistake, we are winning. Every animal that had the balls to hunt us lives on sufferance now, just so we can point and mock them for daring to raise a... paw against us. We killed smallpox, polio is wounded and bleeding out and if the cold ever grew a spine and tried to stand against us we'd fuck its shit up too.

The moon-stood on that shit. Mars-drove on that shit. All over the solar system we're probing planets like its fucking cool, raping those celestial wanderers with our science dick.

Right now, I am typing this on a machine resulting from more than fifty thousand years of human history, billions of people toiling under the hot sun (who we are activly harnessing by the way) so I could make juivanile dick jokes at you. Better yet, we have so much of this inovation to spare that this ain't no thing, this magic box is so mundane to us that what I am doing is considered a perfectly legitimate use of humanities collective power.

I asked a fish for his opionion on the matter, the fucker said "blub, blub" and then I ate him, becasue that's how I fucking roll. The worst part is that he achieved as much as any fish in history because those welfare motherfuckers have done nothing, not one god damned thing with this magnificent universe that we have been given.

Even more awesome is we are accelerating, in the race of life, we have looked back at all the other animals wallowing in their own shit and we have said to ourselves, you know what, I want to lap those motherfuckers. We are building robots pretty much because robots are awesome, I mean who isn't physically aroused at the thought of riding truckasaurus to work? We are searching for other life to high five about how awesome we are. We have some of our best and brightest working day and night to cure cancer and build flying cars and turn shit invisible and bring sight to the motherfucking blind!

Humanity kicks arse and that is why it is so wrong to kill without a very good fucking reason. Every time a human dies, no matter who they are, we lose a million opportuinities for the magnificent bastard that is the human mind to grow and expand. that is why I love you OP, you mishathropic son of a *****, I fucking love you because not only do you have one of the most amazing things in the universe tucked away in your head, you are a fellow traveller in this amazing human race. Come on, lets go sit on the roof and see what crazy shit we come up with next!




That.... was slightly less coherant than it should have been.

 

[Grimh]

Of course humanity's not a plague!

We have to rapidly colonize other worlds first.