Is Hunting right?
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It was not accurate, i do not live in the city. I have grown up in an area of people who have pro-hunting stickers in their 4x4's, i was 6 the first time i saw a mutilated fox that hunters dogs had ripped up. You did put your opinion in but then resulted in patronizing me. That my friend is an insulting remark not a point in a debate.Reuq said:
i would just like to say that after reading the posts you have made on this thread you have won the respect of this random person on the internet who you will never meet. really you make some really good points and for me cement that hunters aren't blood thirsty fuck heads like some people seem to think (i personally don't)Borrowed Time said:
Hunting is a sport as old as time, dating as far back as when the Pharoahs of Eygpt hunted along the banks of the Nile River. Hunting, true hunting I mean, is not merely a go out and shoot a critter affair. You have to drag your butt out of bed at some ungodly hour in the morning and sit tight in some outdoor outpost and wait and wait for hours untill the big target comes along. It may take days, even weeks, to bag that buck or whatever your hunting.
Sure you have those deer farms where they are but tamed shadows to their elusive and wild kin, but thats not hunting thats just a walk-in-a-shoot-your-food-deli. And one can make the experience even more difficult by trying to hunt with a bow. Do you kow how hard it is to hit a deer with a bow!?
The point is that Hunting is a legit sport, it may seem cruel to the animals but in reality it actually helps them in the long run. Because now we have a reason to keep their numbers up, so that we can keep hunting them, we essentially try to make sure they dont go extinct. This also helps to protect their territory by making them hunting grounds. Creating a city or an Airport does way more damage to an enviroment than the occasional hunters a few times a year you see.
Sure you have those deer farms where they are but tamed shadows to their elusive and wild kin, but thats not hunting thats just a walk-in-a-shoot-your-food-deli. And one can make the experience even more difficult by trying to hunt with a bow. Do you kow how hard it is to hit a deer with a bow!?
The point is that Hunting is a legit sport, it may seem cruel to the animals but in reality it actually helps them in the long run. Because now we have a reason to keep their numbers up, so that we can keep hunting them, we essentially try to make sure they dont go extinct. This also helps to protect their territory by making them hunting grounds. Creating a city or an Airport does way more damage to an enviroment than the occasional hunters a few times a year you see.
Hard to say. I mean, I personally am in a trend of removing morality from everything and falling under the belief that no action holds any moral implications and is in no way more favourable over any other action. So, I would say no.
Agree, Some people did a test, hunter-allowed environment (during hunting season) and
an isolated environment, in the same region just animals,such as deer, with nothing to keep them in check, the deer overpopulated the area,and ate all the food, starving the animals to death.
an isolated environment, in the same region just animals,such as deer, with nothing to keep them in check, the deer overpopulated the area,and ate all the food, starving the animals to death.
Anyone who hunts with a gun or a prissy bow and arrow is a pussy.
Real men hunt with KNIVES and GRENADES.
Real men hunt with KNIVES and GRENADES.
Are you fucking joking, of course its right
Ive killed plenty of animals
I shoot squirrels outta trees with my .22
Ive killed plenty of animals
I shoot squirrels outta trees with my .22
Hunting for food and population control of foreign animals that have become pests (like cane toads in Australia)yes. Hunting for sport no.
Then you are disturbed young person.Haseo21 said:
It's fine to hunt animals if you do it correctly and actually use what you hunt. Everything I kill when I hunt, I eat and it's strictly controlled how many we can hunt each season.
Proper hunters have huge respect for animals and nature.
I never saw anyone hunt just for sport, atleast they eat the food, but personally I'm for hunting AS LONG as it's NOT for sport.
Erm, did you even read my previous posts? I don't hunt them for their "fierceness"! :cough: I hunt them for the meat and for selling the hides to a local leatherworker. I was refuting a comment made about "killing cute, fuzzy animals in cold blood".Woodsey said:
You might want to read a bit more of the post before you comment. :grin:
I'm by no means vegetarian, but you can in fact, get the necessary nutrients for survival from just eating vegetables. (granted you have to be selective with certain ones to get everything and need to do your research, this is a key thing right here, you have to research which foods give you the missing nutrients that would normally be in meats) I didn't say that vegetarians or vegans are MORE healthy at all. I was only stating that it is NOT necessary for survival to eat meat.Grand_Arcana said:
My entire basis was the contradiction many individuals have with placing the worth of an animal based upon its "cuteness and fuzziness". Individuals who speak out against hunting as being a bloodsport and that hunters in and of themselves are sadists are being incredibly hypocritical if they do not do all that they can to make sure to eat free-range animals or not eat animals at all.
I resent individuals who call me out on being an uncaring bastard (in not so many words) who cares nothing for the animal who'se life I take when I, most likely, care more for the wildlife and natural habitat in my area then they could ever know. Instead they glorify this Disney-esque Bambi bullcrap ideal that all hunters are pathetic rednecks that just enjoy blowing holes in flesh and laughing to their buddies while swigging a bruskie and bathing in the blood of "cute, fuzzy" animals.
Personally, this was the problem I had with Kollega, as their statement that "It's only ok to hunt when you're starving or need clothing." It's absolute bull. If they had instead said, "It's ok to hunt when you use an animal for it's meat and make sure not to waste it." then I would never have had a problem. It was the finality and generalization of the comment that sparked me off. In fact that's why I even made the vegetarian/vegan comment. Almost no one in most 1st world countries needs to hunt anymore. It's cheaper (in many cases) and a hell of a lot easier to go down to the supermarket and buy a 5lb. block of ground beef then to actually hunt an animal for its meat. Humans on an individual level do not need meat to survive. That's a matter of fact. Should we eat meat though? Oh hell yes, pass me a venison steak with a side of pheasant breast, please!
The rifle will put an animal down with out it getting more then 10 feet from when it was hit. The bow has a much higher chance to not fatally wound the animal, especially if it glances off a rib. The rifle will completely destroy the animals lungs and heart, killing them quickly, while an arrow puncturing the lungs (harder to hit the heart as hydrostatic shock isn't an option with an arrow) would cause them to suffocate and slowly bleed to death. A deer doped up on "fight or flight" hormones (aka, adrenaline) could easily go 200-300 yards before falling to finish bleeding/suffocating out. It would be far too easy to never be able to find the animal, which would be a waste. I rarely bow hunt for this very reason, and when I do, it's not often that I actually get anything as I will only take a perfect shot to prevent this from happening.skywalkerlion said:Which is which? I'm curiousBorrowed Time said:
i guess i'm an exception to your rules. i utterly despise foxes after 2 of my cats were killed by one. and i still don't like fox hunting.Lusty said:
this is more because of the redundancy of it though. it has been proven that it doesn't control the population like people claim it does. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_hunting#Pest_control]
and i don't like people who fish for no reason besides the joy of killing. if you were to kill them for food, fine, go right ahead. if you are to kill them for fun however, i really wont like that at all.
Hunting is perfectly fine. We won Evolution, so we should be allowed to do whatever we want with the losers. Plus, with the way hunting is regulated nowadays, your precious little foxes won't be going extinct any time soon (but if they did, who cares?).