Is Hunting right?

[Aur0ra145]

Yes, I go killing every winter and eat what I kill.

 

[sabotstarr]

the only hunting that should be allowed is the hunter for food/sport at the same time. Just hunting and not properly utilizing the meat as food is waste, and also immoral, at least to me. When i kill an animal, i understand that it has been done in the past, and is a food source, however when you go around and start shooting things for the fun of it it starts to become a sick and horrible act.

 

[cocoadog]

if your or hungry... or there's to many god damn deer *shudder*

 

[Alpha Centauri]

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Let me guess: you are extremely proud of your medal collection,all of which you recieved for brutally murdering innocent and very cute creatures.

Okay,that's too rude on my part,but my point still stands. I don't mind hunting for food. I do mind when animals are killed just to saw off their horns,and i mind even more when sadistic psychopaths are given guns and attack dogs.

Uh, no, actually. As I said, I don't have any animal heads mounted on my walls. Nor do I have antlers hanging everywhere. I don't hunt anything besides deer myself. (though I have been on an elk hunt once, didn't get anything), nor do I have pelts. I have a box in my closet with a couple pairs of antlers that I use for "rattling" (a skill that immitates two bucks fighting together during the rutting season, I don't use synthetic ones). I sell the pelts to a tanner who uses them in making leather goods which he then sells. I know, cold blooded killer, huh?

Yes, I killed Bambi's mother! I snuck up behind him and took a combat knife to his throat and told his mother that she'd better come with me or he gets it. Seriously, stop following your idealized nonsense and listen to actual fact. The bastardized idea of hunters played out in that Disney film is NOT the norm. Yes, there are some idiot hunters out there who give most a bad name. They are why there are regulations put in place.

I honestly find it interesting that you completely ignore my points about caged farming and the inhumanity of it, yet try as you might to apply a stereotypical ideal that you have of the "average hunter" to me. Why aren't you calling out the demonic farmers for slitting the throats of the innocent cattle, lambs or fowl? Is it because you feel it's a necessary evil? It's not, humans do not NEED to eat meat. Plenty of vegetarians/vegans lead perfectly healthy lives with out it. So I'm sorry, but the "only hunting when you need food" argument holds absolutely no water with me.

I agree with you that hunting just for the horns/antlers/trophies is wrong as well as capturing animals to train their fighting dogs, but don't you dare put that stereotypical crap in my court and call me out for something that a few idiots do, especially when we are in fact in agreement over the true issue at hand. There's a reason why dog fighting rings are outlawed. There's a reason why poaching is outlawed. These individuals generally don't care about the law.

Sir I have a great deal of respect for you!

OT: Yeah, hunting, for the lulz, no, for food, sure.

 

[Woodsey]

Deer, elk and moose especially are by no means "cute and furry animals". They could very easily kill you if given the chance. They're incredibly majestic and awesome creatures and you learn a healthy respect for, especially when you have actually hunted them. You don't just have an animal chained up and standing in front of you the moment you step out of your vehicle for you to shoot (with a gun OR a bow). It's a systematical and very thought out affair to hunt a creature whose senses and speed completely dwarf your own, especially when it's in its native habitat.

Kind of looking on what you've put as a contradiction; you say you understand the fierceness of a deer, so that's your reason to kill it? And your point about it being able to kill you is redundant, because it doesn't go out of it's way to kill you, does it? That's you. You're talking about it like it's a battle of wits agreed to by each side, but I'm willing to bet that a deer wouldn't really be up for that. Just because it could easily kill you doesn't mean it would for the sake of it.

Erm, did you even read my previous posts? I don't hunt them for their "fierceness"! :cough: I hunt them for the meat and for selling the hides to a local leatherworker. I was refuting a comment made about "killing cute, fuzzy animals in cold blood".

You might want to read a bit more of the post before you comment. :grin:

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BTW, if you're not a vegetarian/vegan, how do you condone the raising and slaughtering of animals for your "unnecessary" consumption? Eating meat is by no means a necessity. At least the animals in the wild have a fighting chance compared to those that are raised for slaughter and are guaranteed to die. Here in the states there are plenty of laws and regulations in place that limit hunting. They regularly monitor populations of the animals and only give out so many permits to make sure to not harm the herds. I'm not sure exactly how it is in the UK but I doubt if it's much different.

I don't condone the way that farm animals are treated: stuffed into tiny cages to never see the light of day, but eating meat is a necessity. People who are vegetarian may not drop dead, but most people would suffer health problems for it in the long run. In fact, since our early ancestors hunted, meat should be considered a standard part of our diet. Eating meat is part of the reason that we are so intelligent. The calories, vitamins, and lipids are necessary for proper brain development (not to insult vegans or anything.) In general, predators are smarter than prey.

I'm by no means vegetarian, but you can in fact, get the necessary nutrients for survival from just eating vegetables. (granted you have to be selective with certain ones to get everything and need to do your research, this is a key thing right here, you have to research which foods give you the missing nutrients that would normally be in meats) I didn't say that vegetarians or vegans are MORE healthy at all. I was only stating that it is NOT necessary for survival to eat meat.

My entire basis was the contradiction many individuals have with placing the worth of an animal based upon its "cuteness and fuzziness". Individuals who speak out against hunting as being a bloodsport and that hunters in and of themselves are sadists are being incredibly hypocritical if they do not do all that they can to make sure to eat free-range animals or not eat animals at all.

I resent individuals who call me out on being an uncaring bastard (in not so many words) who cares nothing for the animal who'se life I take when I, most likely, care more for the wildlife and natural habitat in my area then they could ever know. Instead they glorify this Disney-esque Bambi bullcrap ideal that all hunters are pathetic rednecks that just enjoy blowing holes in flesh and laughing to their buddies while swigging a bruskie and bathing in the blood of "cute, fuzzy" animals.

Personally, this was the problem I had with Kollega, as their statement that "It's only ok to hunt when you're starving or need clothing." It's absolute bull. If they had instead said, "It's ok to hunt when you use an animal for it's meat and make sure not to waste it." then I would never have had a problem. It was the finality and generalization of the comment that sparked me off. In fact that's why I even made the vegetarian/vegan comment. Almost no one in most 1st world countries needs to hunt anymore. It's cheaper (in many cases) and a hell of a lot easier to go down to the supermarket and buy a 5lb. block of ground beef then to actually hunt an animal for its meat. Humans on an individual level do not need meat to survive. That's a matter of fact. Should we eat meat though? Oh hell yes, pass me a venison steak with a side of pheasant breast, please!

When it's done for profit,or worse - for the lulz,and involves butchering innocent animals...

NO,IT FUCKING ISN'T.

BTW, I hunt with both a 30.06 and with a compound bow. Guess I'm only half "evuls" then. Which do you consider more humane, having the animal lose its heart and lungs instantly and dying within seconds, or having a half inch hole punched in its side and piercing its lungs so that it slowly suffocates and bleeds to death? That's the difference between using a hunting rifle and using a bow. Honestly it's hard to take you seriously when you speak like that even though I know it's for dramatic effect.

Which is which? I'm curious

The rifle will put an animal down with out it getting more then 10 feet from when it was hit. The bow has a much higher chance to not fatally wound the animal, especially if it glances off a rib. The rifle will completely destroy the animals lungs and heart, killing them quickly, while an arrow puncturing the lungs (harder to hit the heart as hydrostatic shock isn't an option with an arrow) would cause them to suffocate and slowly bleed to death. A deer doped up on "fight or flight" hormones (aka, adrenaline) could easily go 200-300 yards before falling to finish bleeding/suffocating out. It would be far too easy to never be able to find the animal, which would be a waste. I rarely bow hunt for this very reason, and when I do, it's not often that I actually get anything as I will only take a perfect shot to prevent this from happening.

LULZ. Only read that post, and come on give me a break, I can't read through every comment and make notes now can I?

In your case then I see no problem with it. Like I said though, as a sport I feel it's pointless.

 

[ZombieVictor]

After reading an article about people in London and Liverpool, catching urban foxes and cats and having their fighting dogs mutilate them for fun, i found myself very unhappy with humanity.

I don't agree with any form of hunting unless its necessary for food. I am not a vegetarian but hunting for sport just seems sick you know.

Obviously this is an opinion alot of people out there who do agree with hunting and i very much doubt they mutilate animals.

So what are your views? Should we stop hunting, make more strict laws, or whatever you want to say.

I am very interested in comments by people outside of the UK.

Thanx for reading.

P.S. I'm just an animal lover. Not an eco-terrorist.

That's not what true Hunting is about.

 

[Bernzz]

I occasionally go hunting rabbits, but with usually instantaneous death by hot lead. Plus, they're an introduced species and there's too fucking many of them over here anyway. We actually get requested to do it by a family friend, which is why we go out and do it.

Australia, by the way.

 

[Godavari]

Of course hunting is OK for population control, but I personally am opposed to killing things for sport.

 

[cartzo]

i dont see anything wrong with recreational hunting as long as its a very common animal like pigeons, or vermin like rats (i dont see foxes as vermin). As long as you are licensed and registered to prevent doing anything to the populations of any certain animal.

you should at least try and eat the results of your hunt though.

 

[Doktor Merkwurdigliebe]

I approve hunting, both for sport(this also depends what kind of animal - there is nothing challenging in hunting an animal that can't defend itself) and for food, as long as it's legal and the animals aren't protected or endangered.
I also agree that a good hunter should keep the suffering of the hunted to minimum.

EDIT: Regarding that article, I agree that it's pretty sick, and unfortunately terrifyingly common. I used to live next to a park where illegal dog fights took place(ironically, in a back of a dog school), and those goddamn savages didn't even care about their dogs before and after the fight. The dogs had their necks broken when they were too wounded to be prepared for the next fight(I know this detail, because my friend had a video from one of these fights). Luckily if I'm correct police raided that place couple of years ago.

 

[Zer_]

Everyone who likes hunting can fuck right off. I'm not talking with you.

Well I'm not talking to you either! Humph!

Seriously mate, could you make yourself sound more like an angry 12 year old?


In turns out that there are in fact people who like stuff that you don't. Deal with it.

Being a hunter myself (which is evident from my previous posts) I probably have more appreciation and have a better understanding of the sheer nobility of the animals then Kollega does.

Deer, elk and moose especially are by no means "cute and furry animals". They could very easily kill you if given the chance. They're incredibly majestic and awesome creatures and you learn a healthy respect for, especially when you have actually hunted them. You don't just have an animal chained up and standing in front of you the moment you step out of your vehicle for you to shoot (with a gun OR a bow). It's a systematical and very thought out affair to hunt a creature whose senses and speed completely dwarf your own, especially when it's in its native habitat.

By eating the prey you've hunted, you are continuing his legacy of life within yourself. Natives had a very neat spiritual idea behind hunting and they greatly respected the animals they killed.

 

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

Anyone who hunts with a gun or a prissy bow and arrow is a pussy.


Real men hunt with KNIVES and GRENADES.

Psssh. REAL men hunt with nothing but a spoon.

Why a spoon, milord?

Anyone can kill an animal with a stabby knife or a 'splodey grenade, but it takes mad skills to take out a wild beast with a utensil usually reserved for soup or cereal! I like you, you called me lord. I could get used to that...[sub]LORD Swollen Goat...hmmm....[/sub]

And it's blunt, it'll hurt more.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

the only hunting that should be allowed is the hunter for food/sport at the same time.

Um, no. You have no right to restrict other people's freedoms, no matter how repugnant you find them. And that is something you should all bear into mind - this, this kind of shitty reasoning where you presume that your subjective views are worth more than those of, say, a hunter, is precisely the same reason as to why Australia hasn't got an 18+ classification and why political correctness is going mad in Europe. The assumption that your moral position is better, and that the freedoms of others should be restricted to satisfy your moral upsets.

And that is wrong. No, I don't care how much you care about animal rights - they're animals, and the rights of humans to hunt, kill and eat them supercede any fallacious point about it being cruel.

 

[ace_of_something]

I enjoy duck hunting though we eat what I kill or sell for profit what I don't intend to eat. This is why I stopped deer hunting cause I hate the taste of deer meat.

I see nothing wrong with hunting for sport. It's not like they can go kill indiscriminatly, there are laws to be obeyed. The hunted have to be 'in season, under a certain size, over a certain size (otherwise it may be to young)and of course the limit of kills itself.

An experianced hunter can tell when his quarry is pregnant, nursting, or see it's nearby fawn and would not shoot the prey anyway. The unspoken rule is 'try to get bucks' since the fawns will never miss them. Similar rules apply for most other hunting forms.

That being said I don't know anyone who hunts 'soley for sport' those that can't use all the meat they gathered sell it for monies and then someone else can eat it. It's not like people just cut off the head and leave the carcass there.

 

[Ph33nix]

hunting is okay as long as you at least attempt to make the kill fast and painless (everyone misses the mark from time to time) and that you killed the animal to eat it or someone else eats it not to just kill it.

 

[Namaps]

Please describe for me then what defines a sentient being. And please do not quote a dictionary or wikipedia.

The ability to feel (that is to say, perceive subjectively) makes a creature sentient. While we have no way to truly show that animals are sentient, there is no reason to assume that they are not. They react in all the sorts of ways you would expect a sentient creature to act.

I disagree... I feel that a sentient being is something that is self aware and can make moral choices. That is what defines humans from animals. Do I think that over hunting is wrong? Yes. Do I think that hunting for sport is wrong? No. Do I think that torturing animals is wrong? Absolutely but hunting is not torture.

It's not really a matter of opinion... That is what sentient means. If you mean "self-aware and capable of moral decision-making" then say "self-aware and capable of moral decision-making," don't say "sentient" because that means something else.

I don't condone the way that farm animals are treated: stuffed into tiny cages to never see the light of day, but eating meat is a necessity. People who are vegetarian may not drop dead, but most people would suffer health problems for it in the long run. In fact, since our early ancestors hunted, meat should be considered a standard part of our diet. Eating meat is part of the reason that we are so intelligent. The calories, vitamins, and lipids are necessary for proper brain development (not to insult vegans or anything.) In general, predators are smarter than prey.

What's the evidence that vegetarianism causes health problems? I've never heard of any (although that's not to say there isn't any, just that I'm not familiar with it if there is). The world has over 950 million vegetarians (predominantly Hindus) yet these people don't seem to suffer a disproportionate amount of health problems due to their diet... In fact, a huge health concern in the United States is the dangerously unhealthy amount of red meat that Americans tend to eat. While there are essential nutrients found in meat, I don't really know of any that are found ONLY in meat.

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In reply to the OP, The scenario you described is not what people normally mean when they say "hunting." It's really more about the morality of dog fighting, which is of course unethical.

I do not find hunting to necessarily be morally wrong. I am a vegetarian, but I recognize that in certain cases population control is necessary for certain species. It's also worth noting that hunting is by any standard MUCH more humane than factory-farming (the method by which the meat for grocery stores and most restaurants is obtained.)

 

[Hooded-hyena]

I will only hunt if it's for food or controlling the population {Looking at you geese. You fuckers ):<}
The only time i ever went on a hunting massacre was on that Cabela's african game. HELL YEAH, ELEPHANT GUN VS SPRINGBOK.