Is Hunting right?

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TheRightToArmBears

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traceur_ said:
Kollega said:
Everyone who likes hunting can fuck right off. I'm not talking with you.
Well I'm not talking to you either! Humph!

Seriously mate, could you make yourself sound more like an angry 12 year old?


In turns out that there are in fact people who like stuff that you don't. Deal with it.

...There are people who enjoy child porn too you know.

Not that hunting is on the same level, but you get the picture.

Well, hunting for pleasure strikes me as a barbaric practice, but if you use the meat then I haven't got so much of a problem with it; I'm not niaeve enough to think that's so vastly different to farmed meat. In some cases, it's possibly more humane (compared to say, battery farming).
 

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As a hunter myself hunting is right, i myself eat everything i kill. Also when there is an overpopulation of a species it is necessary to hunt them to bring the population down because the natural predators of that animal are not keeping the food chain in balance.
 

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Wasder said:
traceur_ said:
Kollega said:
Everyone who likes hunting can fuck right off. I'm not talking with you.
Well I'm not talking to you either! Humph!

Seriously mate, could you make yourself sound more like an angry 12 year old?


In turns out that there are in fact people who like stuff that you don't. Deal with it.

...There are people who enjoy child porn too you know.

Not that hunting is on the same level, but you get the picture.

Well, hunting for pleasure strikes me as a barbaric practice, but if you use the meat then I haven't got so much of a problem with it; I'm not niaeve enough to think that's so vastly different to farmed meat. In some cases, it's possibly more humane (compared to say, battery farming).
wild animals taste way better then farm animals
 

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I know that here in Wisconsin there are WAY too many deer due to a lack of natural predators (though the wolf population is steadily rising so this may change in the near future) and because of the overabundance of deer there is a big safety risk. Have you ever hit a deer with a car? It's devastating to the deer and the car and the driver. Hunting is brought in as a way to keep the deer population manageable for their safety and ours. If the population wasn't kept down and we let them flourish, they would soon run out of food (especially in the winter which is quite long in Wisconsin) and they would starve off in huge numbers. I think killing an animal humanly and quickly and then using all of it is a preferred method to letting them slowly starve to death. It's a matter of sacrificing a few for the benefit of the whole. Though I'm going to school for wildlife education so what the hell do I know?

An added note, I don't hunt and have never hunted in my life. I have no interest in hunting as I don't like waking up early in the morning and sitting in the cold. I do enjoy eating the venison that my friends get though and I have a tasty venison sausage in the freezer that's just calling my name right now.

Edit: Hunters are also some of the biggest proponents of conservation. Has anyone heard of the duck stamp? It's a stamp that is required to hunt ducks and 98 cents out of every dollar goes directly to buying up wetlands for duck conservation. Their top story [http://www.postalmuseum.si.edu/exhibits/2e_artistic.html] which is about the contributions of hunters and is a good read.

"Since 1934, the sales of Federal Duck Stamps have generated more than $750 million, which has been used to help purchase or lease over 5.3 million acres of waterfowl habitat in the U.S. These lands are now protected in the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service's National Wildlife Refuge System."
 

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Borrowed Time said:
BTW, I hunt with both a 30.06 and with a compound bow.
Completely off topic, but the 30.06 is a beautiful weapon, I am quite envious of you.

ON topic, if you're not eating what you kill, then I disagree with it. If you're eating the animals you hunt, then I have no qualms with you as long as you're killing in the most humane way possible.
 

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Borrowed Time said:
traceur_ said:
Kollega said:
Everyone who likes hunting can fuck right off. I'm not talking with you.
Well I'm not talking to you either! Humph!

Seriously mate, could you make yourself sound more like an angry 12 year old?


In turns out that there are in fact people who like stuff that you don't. Deal with it.
Being a hunter myself (which is evident from my previous posts) I probably have more appreciation and have a better understanding of the sheer nobility of the animals then Kollega does.

Deer, elk and moose especially are by no means "cute and furry animals". They could very easily kill you if given the chance. They're incredibly majestic and awesome creatures and you learn a healthy respect for, especially when you have actually hunted them. You don't just have an animal chained up and standing in front of you the moment you step out of your vehicle for you to shoot (with a gun OR a bow). It's a systematical and very thought out affair to hunt a creature whose senses and speed completely dwarf your own, especially when it's in its native habitat.
Kind of looking on what you've put as a contradiction; you say you understand the fierceness of a deer, so that's your reason to kill it? And your point about it being able to kill you is redundant, because it doesn't go out of it's way to kill you, does it? That's you. You're talking about it like it's a battle of wits agreed to by each side, but I'm willing to bet that a deer wouldn't really be up for that. Just because it could easily kill you doesn't mean it would for the sake of it.

OT: Like I've just implied I don't agree with it for sport but for a kill that someone will eat, it's natural (although completed through unnatural means).

I mean, killing something (outside of games) isn't really my idea of fun.

EDIT: Just read someone's comment about "people in the city" - I don't think it's really keeping the natural order of things by us killing animals, when we employ unnatural means (mainly the use of guns I'm talking about) to kill them. After all, if we were back in our primitive (and most natural) state we'd be using sharpened rocks/sticks, which would balance out a lot better than us using guns.
 

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Cortheya said:
Kollega said:
When it's done for profit,or worse - for the lulz,and involves butchering innocent animals...

NO,IT FUCKING ISN'T.

Only time when humans should go hunting is when they have nothing to eat or nothing to wear in -30 Celsius. Hunting For The Evulz is just unneccesarily cruel. And,by some *ahem* coincidence,much of the hunting (at least in Europe and North America) is done for the aforementioned evulz,and nothing else.

I,for one,think that hunting for trophies should be outlawed.

Everyone who likes hunting can fuck right off. I'm not talking with you.
It is not "For the evulz" and come on dude overreacting a bit? They're not humans. They're not sentient.
Microbes or plants may be not sentient. They don't feel pain. Animals do. Think about it for a minute.
 

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Kollega said:
Cortheya said:
Kollega said:
When it's done for profit,or worse - for the lulz,and involves butchering innocent animals...

NO,IT FUCKING ISN'T.

Only time when humans should go hunting is when they have nothing to eat or nothing to wear in -30 Celsius. Hunting For The Evulz is just unneccesarily cruel. And,by some *ahem* coincidence,much of the hunting (at least in Europe and North America) is done for the aforementioned evulz,and nothing else.

I,for one,think that hunting for trophies should be outlawed.

Everyone who likes hunting can fuck right off. I'm not talking with you.
It is not "For the evulz" and come on dude overreacting a bit? They're not humans. They're not sentient.
Microbes or plants may be not sentient. They don't feel pain. Animals do. Think about it for a minute.
Please describe for me then what defines a sentient being. And please do not quote a dictionary or wikipedia.
 

Kollega

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Cortheya said:
Please describe for me then what defines a sentient being. And please do not quote a dictionary or wikipedia.
The thing is not that they're fully sentient. The thing is that,i repeat,they feel pain. And if hunter hunts out of his sadism,not neccesity to feed himself,there can be a lot of pain.

Sadistic hunters share a page with Dr.Mengele in my books,because... well,they like to hurt DEFENSELESS living beings.
 

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BlackJack47 said:
After reading an article about people in London and Liverpool, catching urban foxes and cats and having their fighting dogs mutilate them for fun, i found myself very unhappy with humanity.

I don't agree with any form of hunting unless its necessary for food. I am not a vegetarian but hunting for sport just seems sick you know.

Obviously this is an opinion alot of people out there who do agree with hunting and i very much doubt they mutilate animals.

So what are your views? Should we stop hunting, make more strict laws, or whatever you want to say.

I am very interested in comments by people outside of the UK.

Thanx for reading.

P.S. I'm just an animal lover. Not an eco-terrorist.
Do they actually catch the foxes and cats then throw them in a pen with the dogs, or do the dogs do so while on the hunt? It's very situational. I personally hunt but I do so for food, not trophy hunting. Granted I do take the antlers if I get a buck, but I actually prefer hunting does (deer hunter here) since their meat isn't nearly as gamey.

Hunting in most cases does not mean animal cruelty. Most of the time the animal dies very quickly and humanely. I always try for a shot just behind the shoulder blade which will quickly bring down the animal. It's just as much so they don't suffer as it is so that they don't go running off and I never find them.

Just because there's a couple people out there that are cruel doesn't mean all hunters are.

To me, animals are yet another reasource that we by all means should exploit but at the same time carefully keep in check. Harvesting trees at a rate that can be replenished is a smart thing and has been practiced with minimal effect on the natural ecology of most areas. It's the same with hunting. In fact, often it helps keep down the predator levels, because when prey animal populations get too high, there is a balooning of predator animals as well.

BTW, if you're not a vegetarian/vegan, how do you condone the raising and slaughtering of animals for your "unnecessary" consumption? Eating meat is by no means a necessity. At least the animals in the wild have a fighting chance compared to those that are raised for slaughter and are guaranteed to die. Here in the states there are plenty of laws and regulations in place that limit hunting. They regularly monitor populations of the animals and only give out so many permits to make sure to not harm the herds. I'm not sure exactly how it is in the UK but I doubt if it's much different.
Wow, i dont think anyone could have said it better. you sir, are awesome. Oh and lets not forget that it has been proven time and time again that wild game is alot healthier for you than buying meat from the market.
 

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Hunting animals for resources such as food or, yes, even clothing is perfectly fine. It's a part of nature.

However, killing animals in slow, painful ways for teh lulz is not a part of nature and is not fine.

Quite simple IMO.
 

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Kollega said:
Cortheya said:
Please describe for me then what defines a sentient being. And please do not quote a dictionary or wikipedia.
The thing is not that they're fully sentient. The thing is that,i repeat,they feel pain. And if hunter hunts out of his sadism,not neccesity to feed himself,there can be a lot of pain.

Sadistic hunters share a page with Dr.Mengele in my books,because... well,they like to hurt other living beings.
So do boxers, rugby players and soldiers. So? Humans are intrinsically violent creatures, and presuming that this violence is somehow 'wrong' is on the same level of speciousness as proclaiming another subjective - i.e. Religions, political standpoints, etc - to be 'wrong'.
 

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Kollega said:
Cortheya said:
Please describe for me then what defines a sentient being. And please do not quote a dictionary or wikipedia.
The thing is not that they're fully sentient. The thing is that,i repeat,they feel pain. And if hunter hunts out of his sadism,not neccesity to feed himself,there can be a lot of pain.

Sadistic hunters share a page with Dr.Mengele in my books,because... well,they like to hurt other living beings.
You're misunderstanding it..They're not doing it because they like to hurt living things..Is fishing wrong too?
 

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Cortheya said:
Please describe for me then what defines a sentient being. And please do not quote a dictionary or wikipedia.
The ability to feel (that is to say, perceive subjectively) makes a creature sentient. While we have no way to truly show that animals are sentient, there is no reason to assume that they are not. They react in all the sorts of ways you would expect a sentient creature to act.
 

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If its hunting Vermin then i dont have a problem , *loads hunting rifle* kill the pigeons and rats!!! Fox hunting i dont really see the point in it and believe its unessecery to kill that animal. But either way when it comes down to it , people will still continue to do it and nothing can be changed on that.
 

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If we didn't hunt animals, the population would go out of control, they would eat all there is for them to eat and then slowly starve to death in huge numbers.

You animal lovers ever consider that?

So its either allot of them die slowly and painfully, or we humanly kill a few.
 

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BlackJack47 said:
After reading an article about people in London and Liverpool, catching urban foxes and cats and having their fighting dogs mutilate them for fun, i found myself very unhappy with humanity.

I don't agree with any form of hunting unless its necessary for food. I am not a vegetarian but hunting for sport just seems sick you know.

Obviously this is an opinion alot of people out there who do agree with hunting and i very much doubt they mutilate animals.

So what are your views? Should we stop hunting, make more strict laws, or whatever you want to say.

I am very interested in comments by people outside of the UK.

Thanx for reading.

P.S. I'm just an animal lover. Not an eco-terrorist.
I agree with you.

My opinion is that there's nothing wrong with hunting as long as you use every part of the animal. Otherwise is disrespect to the life lost.