Is Instant Teleportation Possible?
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But not in the near future. with people and stuff.
I heard they teleported light or something though
As a reply to the title not the thread. Teleportation of data is possible using twin particles (basically if you have two twin particles and you turn one upside down then the other will also turn upside down without any kind of delay regardless of the distance between two ). Teleportation of anything else doesn't seem plausible to me. You can bend time and space, and with that completely change the concept of distance and traveling time. I suppose that will be considered as teleportation, but I don't think it really is that.
Posting a title with nothing to do with the content of the thread is misleading and dickish. I feel the need to suddenly teleport to you and punch you in the nads, if only it were possible... which it isn't. That is, unless I had a wormhole handy.
But seriously, I'd be more worried about people posting a thread titled in the form of a question when in fact they want to find out about something different than answering a question posed in the title. Answering the thread title isn't wrong unless it is equally wrong to answer the question set out by the original post. The only issue is if the thread creator fails to make it appropriately clear what they want to discuss.
But seriously, I'd be more worried about people posting a thread titled in the form of a question when in fact they want to find out about something different than answering a question posed in the title. Answering the thread title isn't wrong unless it is equally wrong to answer the question set out by the original post. The only issue is if the thread creator fails to make it appropriately clear what they want to discuss.
It is very well possible to create or destroy photons, never heard of the photoelectric effect? Einstein won his noble prize with it. You're right though that you say that energy can not be created or destroyed, but energy can be transformed. Energy that was in another form then light can be transformed to light, and counterclockwise. If I understood the situation correctly then photons were omitted from point B. Therefor energy has already been send to point B, and therefor point B has the required energy to created photons it self. Then for me it is more plausible that the photons emitted from point B were newly created at point B, instead of being teleported from point A.Baneat said:
By the way ever hurt of quantum tunneling? The conservation of energy can temporary be ignored, if the system get's to a lower potential after that time. For a moment energy is in fact created and afterwards lost. Quantum mechanics sure is fun
if only it wasn't so damn hard.
I was going to talk about quantum entanglement but it seems that rutger5000 just beat me to it and described it really rather well. If you combine quantum entanglement and o0BigDave0o's then that seems to me to be the closest we could get to instant teleportation, which would be pretty instant but possibly out by at least a few picoseconds.
I like the overall test concept to the thread by the way. I'll admit I don't normally read all the posts but I only make a comment myself once in a blue moon. I will however read all of the introductory post. One reason I hardly post is because I cannot be bothered to read through all the posts where there are several hundred to see if I'm not just going to repeat what someone else has said. As Graham Stark said, followed by Paul Saunders moments later, 'If there's one thing I hate it's redundancy'
I like the overall test concept to the thread by the way. I'll admit I don't normally read all the posts but I only make a comment myself once in a blue moon. I will however read all of the introductory post. One reason I hardly post is because I cannot be bothered to read through all the posts where there are several hundred to see if I'm not just going to repeat what someone else has said. As Graham Stark said, followed by Paul Saunders moments later, 'If there's one thing I hate it's redundancy'
Oh Snap!Calcium said:
OT: Yeh people do it all the time.
Usually because you can get the basis of the info from the title, and the rest is just explaining it
I'm not sure; let me teleport to my Jedi Mentor and find out..
...Yeah, it might be. Give or take a few centuries.
...Yeah, it might be. Give or take a few centuries.
Wait, so you ask us about instant teleportation, then tell us not to ask about instant teleportation? I get the test thing, but I like the topic, therefore, I shall answer for the lols.
Teleportation could be possible with the correct technology, it's just probably going to be really difficult and possible not worth the risks. Still, every time I think about how useful it could be I think of "The Fly"...
Teleportation could be possible with the correct technology, it's just probably going to be really difficult and possible not worth the risks. Still, every time I think about how useful it could be I think of "The Fly"...
Nice! I've been wanting to do this for a while, but I never got to doing it.Zechnophobe said:
Because I read the title and I was expecting to talk about teleportation, the real question is if you teleport, would it be you on the otherside or a clone?
Yes, I read you first post. However I came here to talk about teleportation so...
Ahh yes, teleportation does raise a "Ship of Thales" question. It is actually quite hilarious since Star Trek: The Next Generation did an episode about this. I havn't seen it but it is a fun question. Of course, what makes a person a person? In reality it is just a lot of chemical reactions.Darth Crater said:
Zechnophobe said:
1) Because some people are lazy to read an exceptionally long OP and there is no tl;dr, and assuming the question in the title is what is being asked, answer it.
2) Yeah, because if there are 20 pages to a thread we should read them all. Also, some people don't have the time to read every single response in the thread, we have lives to get on with and time that could be better used than to spend extra time reading every response to every thread you post in.
By the way, I see what you did there. Almost fell for it.
Ok, so what do you want me to say?
For the teleportation question, I don't really know. I suppose anything is possible.
As for what you're actually talking about, I read everything unless the message is more than three paragraphs long in which case I just skim.
For the teleportation question, I don't really know. I suppose anything is possible.
As for what you're actually talking about, I read everything unless the message is more than three paragraphs long in which case I just skim.
Yeah, it looks like maybe 5 people at most failed to read, and even then some of them might have been joking like I was. My rating of humanity's collective INT score will drop no further today. Also, Yuki FTW.Rune342 said:
True, but it brings up a ton of ethical questions. Do we own the copyright to our own complete encoding? Is creating people without destroying their duplicates permissible? Is it even legal or ethical TO destroy the original? Personally, if we can get perfect recording/creation/destruction, I think an enlightened but pragmatic society would eventually lean toward yes, no, and yes respectively.crudus said:
I saw the OP, but the question still nagged, so I did the math:
Now, say it were possible to use something theoretical like quantum entanglement to transmit a perfect blueprint of your structure and current chemical interactions / reactions at the exact state they are currently at with no error to a machine that could perfectly recreate and position all approximately 4.093x10^28 atoms in your body with the correct kinetics and energy levels in each atom.
You would then have instant teleportation to anywhere in the universe. You would also kill yourself each time you used the machine.
To get an idea of the amount of data required to model this lets assume the body is recreated using a Cartesian plane. Each atom would need a location so that is 3 coordinates for the x, y, and z, as well as a rotation number. So we will say that can all be contained in say 200 bytes (kind of arbitrary, but give the size many many digits will be required, possibly the body is split into zones to reduce size) Then we must include the kinetics, so a vector(need 3 numbers to describe, 3 bytes)will be needed with a magnitude (Not sure how to store, say 5 bytes and angular momentum (need vector and magnitude, another 8 bytes). This brings the total to 216 bytes per atom. Now, we also need to know the connectivity of each atom, which means charges if we know the relative position. Charges are dependent on the quantum state of each electron, but this can be generalized for the atom if the atom is in a simple bond, but is much more difficult to describe in the case of molecules which have very complex molecular orbitals. Say science finds a model that works accurately enough to model these charges and orbitals in all situations (we cannot currently do this, also the uncertainty principle makes this basically impossible), then that data must be stored. We will say there is a vector and magnitude expressed as a wave equation for each electron in the atom. We will generalize this to about another 200 bytes though it could be much larger. That now totals 416 bytes per atom.
Now, each atom has an isotope so add another byte, many have different oxidation states, so add another, and if the atom / molecule is currently undergoing an reaction different conditions may need to be applied, so add another 10 bytes to be safe. Plus some atoms may be undergoing a nuclear reaction so add another byte to these (possibly a special class to include the material being ejected) and we total 429 bytes per atom. Now, because I am doing this on the fly with no knowledge of programming I will round that up to 500 bytes per atom.
500 bytes / atom * 4.093x10^28 atoms = 2.047×10^31 bytes
To put that in perspective that is 2.2×10^14 * the estimated data content of the deep web (~~ 91000 TB )
or 17,338,764,430.2955279407 zettabytes
Even if the amount of data were reduced to a byte per atom the amount of data needed to model a human body is immense to say the least
So, it can safely be said that instant teleportation is a long way off just using the data perspective.
If I have derped up my math please tell me, it is very late here.
Now, say it were possible to use something theoretical like quantum entanglement to transmit a perfect blueprint of your structure and current chemical interactions / reactions at the exact state they are currently at with no error to a machine that could perfectly recreate and position all approximately 4.093x10^28 atoms in your body with the correct kinetics and energy levels in each atom.
You would then have instant teleportation to anywhere in the universe. You would also kill yourself each time you used the machine.
To get an idea of the amount of data required to model this lets assume the body is recreated using a Cartesian plane. Each atom would need a location so that is 3 coordinates for the x, y, and z, as well as a rotation number. So we will say that can all be contained in say 200 bytes (kind of arbitrary, but give the size many many digits will be required, possibly the body is split into zones to reduce size) Then we must include the kinetics, so a vector(need 3 numbers to describe, 3 bytes)will be needed with a magnitude (Not sure how to store, say 5 bytes and angular momentum (need vector and magnitude, another 8 bytes). This brings the total to 216 bytes per atom. Now, we also need to know the connectivity of each atom, which means charges if we know the relative position. Charges are dependent on the quantum state of each electron, but this can be generalized for the atom if the atom is in a simple bond, but is much more difficult to describe in the case of molecules which have very complex molecular orbitals. Say science finds a model that works accurately enough to model these charges and orbitals in all situations (we cannot currently do this, also the uncertainty principle makes this basically impossible), then that data must be stored. We will say there is a vector and magnitude expressed as a wave equation for each electron in the atom. We will generalize this to about another 200 bytes though it could be much larger. That now totals 416 bytes per atom.
Now, each atom has an isotope so add another byte, many have different oxidation states, so add another, and if the atom / molecule is currently undergoing an reaction different conditions may need to be applied, so add another 10 bytes to be safe. Plus some atoms may be undergoing a nuclear reaction so add another byte to these (possibly a special class to include the material being ejected) and we total 429 bytes per atom. Now, because I am doing this on the fly with no knowledge of programming I will round that up to 500 bytes per atom.
500 bytes / atom * 4.093x10^28 atoms = 2.047×10^31 bytes
To put that in perspective that is 2.2×10^14 * the estimated data content of the deep web (~~ 91000 TB )
or 17,338,764,430.2955279407 zettabytes
Even if the amount of data were reduced to a byte per atom the amount of data needed to model a human body is immense to say the least
So, it can safely be said that instant teleportation is a long way off just using the data perspective.
If I have derped up my math please tell me, it is very late here.
Well, as it stands now we own our likeness(proven by the naked cowboy and Mars corporation). You are correct we can't have multiples of one person. I actually think it would be unethical to let the multiples survive. However, here is the fun question. Would it be ethical to just harvest organs from this teleportation? Like, if I just kept my pattern saved on a flash drive and when I drank my liver to death, could I get have the transporter form a new liver for me? Better yet, can I upload that to a server and just make a new me when I die?Darth Crater said:
