Is Instant Teleportation Possible?

[Darth Crater]

On the other hand, there are about 10^50 atoms on Earth (source) [http://education.jlab.org/qa/mathatom_05.html], so we could easily store 10^20 or so humans in one planet (taking lossless compression into account). Perhaps knock off a few factors of 10 if we want better data integrity. By the time we can do said perfect transmission, this scale of engineering should be trivial.
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Well, as it stands now we own our likeness(proven by the naked cowboy and Mars corporation). You are correct we can't have multiples of one person. I actually think it would be unethical to let the multiples survive. However, here is the fun question. Would it be ethical to just harvest organs from this teleportation? Like, if I just kept my pattern saved on a flash drive and when I drank my liver to death, could I get have the transporter form a new liver for me? Better yet, can I upload that to a server and just make a new me when I die?

I'd say that creating a new body part would be legal enough, since you're not creating a brain (and thus a sentient being). The "recreate me upon death" is a bit trickier, though. I'd say it might eventually become legal, but I have no idea whether they would be considered legally the same person.

 

[AWDMANOUT]

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These appear to be the people who DONE GOOFED. So far, that is.
Just thought everybody should be up to speed.
All you guys, go back and read the opening post.
If you simply ignored it and talked about teleportation anyways, my bad.

 

[Hiken no Ace]

Lol, i did read what you were attempting, but the idea of teleportation sounded more fun to comment on. Sorry

 

[Darth Crater]

If you simply ignored it and talked about teleportation anyways, my bad.

Check out my original post:

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Also, Sejs Cube had a very well-written piece discussing teleportation, which sadly appears to have been removed.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

It's the OP's fault for making their title a different question to what they are asking in the body of their post.

 

[AWDMANOUT]

If you simply ignored it and talked about teleportation anyways, my bad.

Check out my original post:

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Also, Sejs Cube had a very well-written piece discussing teleportation, which sadly appears to have been removed.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0902/i-see-what-you-did-there-demotivational-poster-1235491617.jpg

 

[superbatranger]

I have noticed a weird trend here on the escapist, where people very often do two things when replying to a thread:

1) They read only the title of the thread, if expressed as a question
2) They do not read any other responses to the thread.

It is therefore my hypothesis that you can create a thread with a question-based name, and a main message that completely differs from it, and get a fair number of people to respond wrongly. It is especially effective if the first paragraph looks legit.

I wonder what a good way to Test this would be. Hmm.

This happened yesterday: "Sex - Top or Bottom?"

It was about bunk beds and your gender.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.266183-Poll-Sex-Are-you-a-top-or-a-bottom?page=1

You have to admit, the title was misleading though. Granted, perhaps people should have read the OP before posting.

 

[Thaluikhain]

500 bytes / atom * 4.093x10^28 atoms = 2.047×10^31 bytes

To put that in perspective that is 2.2×10^14 * the estimated data content of the deep web (~~ 91000 TB )
or 17,338,764,430.2955279407 zettabytes

Even if the amount of data were reduced to a byte per atom the amount of data needed to model a human body is immense to say the least
So, it can safely be said that instant teleportation is a long way off just using the data perspective.

If I have derped up my math please tell me, it is very late here.

Not a maths thing, but you can't determine the position and velocity of the same thing simultaneously anyway.

Though...would you have to know everything? You could get away with various atoms being slightly off the original without ill-effects...though if you tried sticking one or more atoms inside each other, I imagine weird things will pop up.

[small]Yeah, I read some of the following posts, but not the OP, to buck the trend[/small]

 

[Hashime]

500 bytes / atom * 4.093x10^28 atoms = 2.047×10^31 bytes

To put that in perspective that is 2.2×10^14 * the estimated data content of the deep web (~~ 91000 TB )
or 17,338,764,430.2955279407 zettabytes

Even if the amount of data were reduced to a byte per atom the amount of data needed to model a human body is immense to say the least
So, it can safely be said that instant teleportation is a long way off just using the data perspective.

If I have derped up my math please tell me, it is very late here.

Not a maths thing, but you can't determine the position and velocity of the same thing simultaneously anyway.

Though...would you have to know everything? You could get away with various atoms being slightly off the original without ill-effects...though if you tried sticking one or more atoms inside each other, I imagine weird things will pop up.

[small]Yeah, I read some of the following posts, but not the OP, to buck the trend[/small]

Yes, it is impossible to know position and velocity, though I do state that. It is however possible to predict the position to a fairly high degree of accuracy using models. These models would have to be greatly improved for use in such a technology however.

You would have to know almost everything. What happens when DNA is deformed? How would your thought patterns change is a synapse had slightly different connectivity? What would be the effect of a few enzymes being deactivated due to the wrong geometry?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Yes, it is impossible to know position and velocity, though I do state that.

Ah, so you did, I missed that, sorry.

You would have to know almost everything. What happens when DNA is deformed? How would your thought patterns change is a synapse had slightly different connectivity? What would be the effect of a few enzymes being deactivated due to the wrong geometry?

Those are fairly substantial mistakes when we are talking about the precision t0 gather information about every atom in the body, though.

Also...what would the difference be between changes caused in this way and random changes to the body caused by everyday living? Ok, yes, if you mucked up enough atoms in a single cell to change the DNA, there would be new and exciting problems, but I still say there would be alot of leeway.

 

[LandoCristo]

Oh, OP, you make us all amused. That said, you nearly got me with the topic title, and I always read at least the first page of responses before I post anything, but I noticed that less than half of the people who posted fell for it.

But nice try.

 

[rabidmidget]

Wait, which question do I answer? WHICH ONE?

 

[Jack Macaque]

Teleportation is possible, if we can send date or light or electricity across the room or world with ease then we can send people, just not yet.

Sometimes I'm just too tired to read through all 10000 posts on a thread to see if anyone else said exactly what I said so I don't look like a tool, I skim through every page and read things that jump at me, then throw in my post.

 

[Geeky Anomaly]

Sorry my reply took so long...was reading all the responses...

You are indeed correct, and I am guilty of this myself. But it usually doesn't end badly, as far as I've seen on other forums.

Side Note....yes, according to Dr. Michio Kaku, teleportaion is a Class 2 Impossibility. We have already teleported an electron from point A to point B, so I would imagine that whole atoms are just around the corner.

 

[monkey_man]

Well placed trap good sir, well placed.
You can test this by letting me post in your threads. *sighs*

 

[monkey_man]

What happens when DNA is deformed?

Spoiler: may scare you

It may cause desease/a useles cell.
It causes other enzymes to be formed, being either useless, or harmful.
It is also important where the DNA is deformed, because it can cause 1 enzyme to be different, or even dozens. which can be harmful.
That's how cancer starts.If in a cell a piece of DNA deforms in the growth section, it sometimes starts to multiply uncontrollably.Normal cells have this sort of buffer that tells them when and how to grow, cancer cells do no. if the mutantcells cannot be "peerpressured" by other cells anymore,(IE slightly controlled) it stops being beneign (or how that's spelled)and then it spreads throughout the body through the veins, and where-ever it lands it grows again. Causing small tumors to grow. leading ,eventually, to death.
Cancer is really hard to stop because the body thinks the cancercells are normal cells. And often it's recognised too late

TL;DR can cause cancer/other deseases/harmfull cells/useless cells

Source: my Biology book (in Dutch, so don't bother looking it up XD)

[sub]Caption thinghy.. what is "teekag" ?[/sub]

 

[Aurgelmir]

There's lots of talk about Whether teleportation instantly is possible, is it?

I have noticed a weird trend here on the escapist, where people very often do two things when replying to a thread:

1) They read only the title of the thread, if expressed as a question
2) They do not read any other responses to the thread.

It is therefore my hypothesis that you can create a thread with a question-based name, and a main message that completely differs from it, and get a fair number of people to respond wrongly. It is especially effective if the first paragraph looks legit.

I wonder what a good way to Test this would be. Hmm.

Hmmm now you do ask both questions in your body text though....

I do agree though not everyone read all posts in the thread... but hey when the thread is 3+ pages long its a lot to read and its not all very interesting.
And also most people will just answer the question... its not BTW... I think

So there you have it, I read your post, I didn't read the repllys, and instant teleportation would be hard to do.

 

[SckizoBoy]

OP: I'm like a couple others here, skim through each page, see if anything particular gets my attention, then reply.

Anyway:

Yes, it is impossible to know position and velocity, though I do state that.

Ah, so you did, I missed that, sorry.

You would have to know almost everything. What happens when DNA is deformed? How would your thought patterns change is a synapse had slightly different connectivity? What would be the effect of a few enzymes being deactivated due to the wrong geometry?

Those are fairly substantial mistakes when we are talking about the precision t0 gather information about every atom in the body, though.

Also...what would the difference be between changes caused in this way and random changes to the body caused by everyday living? Ok, yes, if you mucked up enough atoms in a single cell to change the DNA, there would be new and exciting problems, but I still say there would be alot of leeway.

Nnnn, the snag with all this is that information about specific atoms is all well and good, but once you get beyond three or four, the amount of data required for teleportation means increases a bit too much.

Data required:
1) individual atom locations & movements
2) bond types between all said atoms
3) bond strengths between all said atoms
4) ionic state & isotopic content of all said atoms
5) current biological functions being carried out so that they can be continued after teleportation

This last one is probably the most difficult. Protein/enzyme turnover, calcium ion cascades, synapse signalling, xenobiotic recognition etc etc makes it a mathematical nightmare, especially it's all transient. Moreover, not enough is known about how/what makes us individuals (personality/character etc) so even if we successfully teleport a mass of however many atoms, there is no guarantee that intangible qualities of the subject are preserved (just don't know if it can be done) as it is not clearly (physically) scientifically understood. In any event, straight teleportation with no post transport activation will result in turning up a dead body, as all biological functions will momentarily cease in (albeit instantaneous, sorry about the contradiction, I'm drunk) transit, but upon arrival, they need to be started again and quickly. We currently don't know what happens when an enzyme is stopped mid-catalysis or when the reaction is started again (NMR ain't that good yet).

So I'm inclined to say... no, it (like light speed travel) can never happen.

 

[Thaluikhain]

In any event, straight teleportation with no post transport activation will result in turning up a dead body, as all biological functions will momentarily cease in (albeit instantaneous, sorry about the contradiction, I'm drunk) transit, but upon arrival, they need to be started again and quickly. We currently don't know what happens when an enzyme is stopped mid-catalysis or when the reaction is started again (NMR ain't that good yet).

Personally I'd say that this one isn't much of a concern. Common or garden humans may not survive the process, but some sort of cybernetic modification to keep things "tciking over" in transit doesn't sound that outlandish.

Especially compared to all the other things you have to do, which, like you say, would appear to be impossible anyways.

 

[Originality]

Interesting thread title, idiotic main post, and some interesting posts thereafter.

Teleportation is possible in theory but impossible in practice, at least with current levels of technology - but who knows what we can do in a hundred more years? Although rather than think about it in 3D terms, why not think about using the 4th, 5th and 6th dimensions to assist?
Imagining the 10th Dimension - part 1 [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA].