Is it biggoted to say that Muslims attacked the USA?

[Worgen]

I'm still trying to understand how Bill O'Reilly has a fucking show to begin with. I mean he's the equivalent to British tabloids, except he's taking up a timeslot...

That's so fucking silly to say such a thing on television, because he knows how people will take such a thing, regardless of how you sugar coat it.

Yes, you you were attacked by people of islamic faith, but the statement is broken because of the comparison to the Germans and the Japanese as if Muslims are a national identity.

What a smug prick. Every time I look at his show I just want to hurt him so badly.

there is a creepy right wing segment of the media here that will show anything, publish anything or let someone spout out any opinion, no matter how stupid, as long as its right wing or talking bad about the pres

 

[2fish]

It sounds, from the context, that ol'Bill was trying to make another point: That when someone says 'Muslims' attacked the US, that most people recognize that they don't mean ALL Muslims. It's merely a shortening of a term (Because some people, like me, have lazy tongues).

Than again, its Bill. Who the fuck knows.

Also the countries can formally declare war; terrorist organizations do not adhere to this rule as they are not a country (one of the reasons why we call them terrorists).

No. The term terrorist is applied due to the tactics of a person/organization. It has little to do with the structure of the said group. Terrorist are so named because they don't really kill people to fight there battles: they inspire fear (terror) to make a point/accomplish their goals. Any deaths caused by such actions are of little consequence beyond what it does to a population.

Yes it is based on their tactics but note I said "one of the reasons", we don't tend to call other countries terrorists we have other words for them. See dictatorship, totalitarianism, Nazi, ect. Sorry for the confusion.

It is funny that when the terrorists are on our side we call the rebels, freedom fighters or guerrilla fighters...

And yes with Bill I never know what he means, I suppose I am not the right brand of crazy to understand him.

Wait...so, Batman is a terrorist from the League of Villainy's perspective? This just occurred to me while reading this. I wonder what Batman's religion is? Vengeance? Vigilantism?

"Batman, what's your religion?"

"I'm a Vigilantist."

Is batman a terrorist.... Um HELL YES. Crazy man with military hardware on the streets hunting criminals and leaving collateral damage all over the place with no warning where he will strike...

He is a terrorist that hunts other terrorists and the people in Gotham are so desperate for help they support him, shit this must be how the Taliban started...erm I mean opposing forces started.

 

[Worgen]

Wasn't the motivation based on Muslim belief? Obviously, not every Muslim hates America, but it's not bigoted to acknowledge that the extremists who attacked us were Muslim.

no it was motivated by standard guerrilla tactics, there is no more of a basis for it in islam then all the shit that christians and jews do and all the holy books give ways that would justify this sort of thing and have in the past, and keep in mind that the fed building bombing in Oklahoma was done by a chistian, and so was the plane that was flown into the IRS building down here

 

[Bruin]

It makes just as much sense as saying Christians killed millions of jews, gays and gypsies, started and instigated Holy Wars and all those other things Christian people did.

It's irrelevant, honestly.

Extremists and radicals of any sect are the ones you have to be watchful of. It doesn't make any difference whether they're Christian, Muslim or whatever have you.

 

[RadioActiveChimp]

To be honest, I don't give a crap. I'm sick of this PC world we live in. People need to chill the heck out and stop running around pointing their stupid helpless fingers at anyone who says something. DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE. I have 0 tolerance for people who throw around the race card like frisbee at the dog park. To anyone who wants to fire back at me, I can tell you that I walk-the-walk; I live in an area with lots of Muslims, and I treat them and any other race exactly the same. For every Bill O'Reilley, there's gotta be millions of Muslims, Hispanics, or what have you in the U.S. who talk crap about the very county from which they reap benefits.

 

[Mar451]

Terrorist declared war on America, not Muslims, grow up.

 

[Paksenarrion]

It sounds, from the context, that ol'Bill was trying to make another point: That when someone says 'Muslims' attacked the US, that most people recognize that they don't mean ALL Muslims. It's merely a shortening of a term (Because some people, like me, have lazy tongues).

Than again, its Bill. Who the fuck knows.

Also the countries can formally declare war; terrorist organizations do not adhere to this rule as they are not a country (one of the reasons why we call them terrorists).

No. The term terrorist is applied due to the tactics of a person/organization. It has little to do with the structure of the said group. Terrorist are so named because they don't really kill people to fight there battles: they inspire fear (terror) to make a point/accomplish their goals. Any deaths caused by such actions are of little consequence beyond what it does to a population.

Yes it is based on their tactics but note I said "one of the reasons", we don't tend to call other countries terrorists we have other words for them. See dictatorship, totalitarianism, Nazi, ect. Sorry for the confusion.

It is funny that when the terrorists are on our side we call the rebels, freedom fighters or guerrilla fighters...

And yes with Bill I never know what he means, I suppose I am not the right brand of crazy to understand him.

Wait...so, Batman is a terrorist from the League of Villainy's perspective? This just occurred to me while reading this. I wonder what Batman's religion is? Vengeance? Vigilantism?

"Batman, what's your religion?"

"I'm a Vigilantist."

Is batman a terrorist.... Um HELL YES. Crazy man with military hardware on the streets hunting criminals and leaving collateral damage all over the place with no warning where he will strike...

He is a terrorist that hunts other terrorists and the people in Gotham are so desperate for help they support him, shit this must be how the Taliban started...erm I mean opposing forces started.

I don't know...I think our terrorist is awesome-r than their terrorists. I mean, if there was a Muslim version of Batman on the other side of the world, they'd have to be rich, have access to military hardware, and live in a cave...

...dagnabit.

 

[DefunctTheory]

I'm still trying to understand how Bill O'Reilly has a fucking show to begin with. I mean he's the equivalent to British tabloids, except he's taking up a timeslot...

That's so fucking silly to say such a thing on television, because he knows how people will take such a thing, regardless of how you sugar coat it.

Yes, you you were attacked by people of islamic faith, but the statement is broken because of the comparison to the Germans and the Japanese as if Muslims are a national identity.

What a smug prick. Every time I look at his show I just want to hurt him so badly.

I find that argument ridiculous, as alcohol IS a drug. You can't argue to make all drugs legal, than shift all the problems associated with drugs to just one specific one.

And the whole segment shown is... misleading. That group is trying to make ALL drugs legal, and yet their representatives only use Weed as an example. I dare you to say a parent using heroin is a good parent.

Than again, Bill fails miserably for not pointing that out. That was a lose-lose argument.

 

[shadow741]

Well yeah, it would be racist to say that because not ALL of the muslim population attacked the US, Al-Qaeda did which they most likely aren't all muslim anyways. Although, I'm not 100% sure about this, so correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

A group of muslims did in the name of their religion whether their peers agree with what they did or not. That is the distinction here. But you can't distance yourself from this topic by offering the Oklahoma City bomber up as "well he was Christian so are you saying Christians bombed OC?" That is different subject matter entirely. Now Christians who bomb abortion clinics that do it "because of their religion" they are Christian Terrorists.
Doesn't matter if the rest of Christianity or Islam denounces their fanatical people, they're still doing what their doing in THE NAME OF THEIR RELIGION.
Zealotry is rampant in religious groups. Why? Because people with issues tend to flock to religions because the religion offers them some "comfort" or "answers". Some people within religious groups use the religion to push an agenda. But the "martyrs" are truly fanatical believers, and however twisted their beliefs may be they are still whatever religion they claim to do it under.
Can you blame all people of the religion for a small group's acitivites? No. Just like you can't blame a country for the stupid things some of its citizens may do. But in either case it doesn't make those people any less of what they are.

 

[Bob the Average]

It is accurate to say muslims attacked the us. Al'qaedais an organization of muslim extremists. how ever it is also accurate to say Christians boycotted comic-con this year using the slogan "God hates nerds". The West borough baptist church is a christian group. Although any normal Christian will tell you the west borough baptists are bat shit crazy and are not representative of the average Christian.

EDIT: what I'm trying to say is it's not bigoted but i can understand why muslims who are capable of functioning in polite society would be irate.

 

[laststandman]

Technically, it is not. However, it depends on what description you would prioritize to describe the people who attacked the US. I would use the word "terrorist" first, but that's just me. So I don't think it's bigoted, but I also don't think you can leave it at that.

 

[SpaceSpork]

Well, Muslims did attack America on 9/11, but it seems to me that here, Bill is implying that Muslims caused World War 2. Which is . . . what the fuck.

 

[Mcface]

No.. they were indeed Muslims. It's like saying Germans attacked Poland. Or Christians invaded the Middle East during the Crusades.

Al'queda are identified by others and themselves as Islamic extremists.

 

[Jaker the Baker]

Yes, it is.

 

[Mcface]

Yes, it is.

How so?
you can't just answer and not explain it.

 

[Nabirius]

That is the most intentionally mismatched comparison I may have ever heard (read). Japan and Germany are countries that attacked us, and declared war, so yes the Japanese attacked us. Islam is not a country, and as such cannot be put under such a massive label.

Not necessarily. I'd say, and here comes the controversy, that Literalist Muslims attacked America on 9/11. Apologeticist Muslims did not, but they water down their religion.

Now I know, I know. Not PC. But I'll stand by it and also assert that the Westboro Baptist Church = Literalist Christians and those Christians that fight against them are apologeticist Christians with a watered down religion as well.

So on and so on with every other religion.

Listen dude, I'm an atheist and I find this more than a bit offensive. There are many interpretations on the same text that are not necessarily wrong. More importantly, it just doesn't make any sense. The WBC aren't literalists, I have never read a passage in the bible that banned comic books or the like or that even implied that tales of heroes (even fictional heroes) are the same as idol worship. The same can be said about the terrorists that attacked us on 9/11, the Quran has many rules against killing which they decided to ignore. They don't practice a purer form of their religion at all.

 

[Jaker the Baker]

Wasn't the motivation based on Muslim belief? Obviously, not every Muslim hates America, but it's not bigoted to acknowledge that the extremists who attacked us were Muslim.

Nothing in the Muslim faith justifies what they did. They were sick, terrible men who killed innocent people and tried to justify it with religion.

 

[Mcface]

I'm still trying to understand how Bill O'Reilly has a fucking show to begin with. I mean he's the equivalent to British tabloids, except he's taking up a timeslot...

That's so fucking silly to say such a thing on television, because he knows how people will take such a thing, regardless of how you sugar coat it.

Yes, you you were attacked by people of islamic faith, but the statement is broken because of the comparison to the Germans and the Japanese as if Muslims are a national identity.

What a smug prick. Every time I look at his show I just want to hurt him so badly.

How? It's not unlike saying Germans or Japanese..
I would say Christians invaded the middle east during the crusades (like i did above)
If you do it in the name of something, that's why you will be referred to. If a guy murders 3 people and happens to call himself a Muslim, he's just a Murderer. If he kills 3 people in the name of God for a religious reason, then he would be referred to as such.

 

[Sakurazaki1023]

I ask this because I saw a local news story on this concept.

As Bill O'Reilley said on his own show
"I submit to you and everybody watching tonight, that after 10 years we got it. We know the difference between peace-abiding Muslims and people who make war under the banner of Islam. But here's the question: Did we say in World War II, we were attacked by Japanese extremists or German extremists? Did we do that? No we said we were attacked by the Japanese. We were attacked by Muslims. That's who attacked us."

I know that not all Muslims are terrorists, and I also know that not all terrorists are Muslim, but the fact is that Muslim terrorists did attack America on 9/11.

So, is it racist or biggoted to say that Muslims attacked the United States?

Do all Christians discriminate against homosexuals and picket soldier funerals just because WBC does it?

The people responsible for 9/11 were religious extremists plain and simple. If you lump all Muslims into that group, then discrimination starts taking root.

In WWII, there was a formal declaration of war between one sovereign nation and another. While some people in the US did not support the war, some people in Germany rebelled against the Nazis, and some Japanese citizens were against the imperialistic nature of their government, the war was a conflict between nations. We weren't fighting a war against the Japanese people, we were fighting a war against the nation of Japan. We didn't fight against the German people, we fought the Nazi controlled nation of Germany.