Is it just me or are we starting to live in V for Vendetta times?

[OneOfTheMichael's]

The funny thing is, is that I live in Canada were we don't really care about sopa and I pretty sure V fro vendetta didn't happen in Canada.
But I would love it if it did; make things more exciting.

 

[zehydra]

I never understood the "Move to Canada or Britain" people.

If you're leaving America because you hate it, why would you go to the two countries most similar to it?

Because they speak English.

 

[Doc Theta Sigma]

Yes, it is just you. SOPA is nothing like V for Vendetta, people are overreacting. Yes they are terrible bills, but they aren't going to cause a nuclear war.

People need to calm down.

Quoted for truth.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

I think Mike Kupari's answer to this entire brouhaha belongs in this thread.

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/01/18/sopa/

Spoiler: spoiled it because of length.

You didn?t care when the government decided it could spy on you without a warrant. You didn?t care when they started telling you what you could eat. You didn?t care when your kids? education was turned into indoctrination. You didn?t care when they were more worried about military veterans than Islamic terrorists. You didn?t care when they spent so much money that our entire economic system may co?llapse. You didn?t care when they gave billions of your money to unions and corporations that were their political contributors. You didn?t care when inert cosmetic features on guns were felonies. You didn?t care when they made it a fucking crime to not have government approved health insurance.

All of these things were done in your name. On your behalf. To help you, protect you, take care of you. Each time you gave them more power and gave away more of your freedom. Each time you believed them when they said they were protecting you, or helping the less fortunate, or sticking it to ?the rich? who ?aren?t paying their fair share?.

Each time you applauded their efforts. Mocked those that were concerned. Called them uncaring or racist or alarmist or stupid. Each time you asked for more. You begged them to take care of you, protect you, right wrongs, enforce equality.

But now that your Internet porn and bit torrents are threatened, NOW you care?

It?s too late for all that, kids. Turning off Wikipedia for a couple days isn?t going to win back the freedoms we?ve pissed away. It isn?t going to undo decades of expanding government power. They?ve already decided there?s nothing they can?t do, no law they can?t pass.

We watched it happen. We let it happen. We have the country we deserve.

So go ahead, post a rant about SOPA on your blog. Link to Ron Paul?s web page. Pretend you?re doing something. It?ll make you feel better. Then you will go back to business as usual and so will they.

Democracy in action. Isn?t it beautiful?

If anything was ever the embodiment of "Quote for Truth" the speech in that spoiler tag is it.

As for American bullshit... we have the wars in the Middle East for starters. The Tea Party. The conservative social value stuff like trying to prevent gay marriage. We have one of the two major parties fielding some pretty ridiculous candidates for President which doesn't say much good about them.(Okay... I clearly don't care much for the conservative politics around here, but it's not as if I'm alone in that sentiment) And I can't say I'm fond of the influence of corporatiins either. Oh and the fact they're people. As for the bill not reaching the floor, the fact it existed and had support at all at one point doesn't speak well. Sure it turned out alright, but it's nicer if we didn't have our elected officials proposing and supporting things like it in the first place.

Clearly there are people less attached to the nation than you are. I am glad to be living here compared to say a third world nation. But I'd have no qualms about having been born in similarly stable and wealthy nation. Moving I wouldn't care for because I'm used to where I am, but it's certainly not because I consider America particularly better. My fondness for it compared to other 1st world alternatives simply lies in familiarity.

The only reason the Tea Party gets the bad wrap that people give it is because the liberal media only reports and looks at the fringe of the movement, the people that don't really have power in the movement. The whole gay marriage prevention thing, that is a fringe. The vast majority of the so called conservatives in office that you say that you don't care for, aren't really conservatives. True conservatives first and foremost hold protecting freedoms up at all costs.

I and my friends are diehard conservatives and we wanted SOPA and PIPA gone just as much as anybody else.

Next is spending, by the nature of the name conservative, such politicians should be looking to cut costs. Heck I even propose to cut military spending, because I know there are many places it could be done without losing valuable jobs or money from actual important sectors of the military. Though there are many liberal sectors as well that spending could easily be cut, basically any programs that liberals put in that are used to control what people do and tell people how they should live their lives, programs that also spend government money to force people to use their money to help others(government forced charity).

The only reason the supposed "conservatives" that do the things you don't like, are in office, is because they were crafty enough to pull the wool over our eyes(conservative eyes) by saying they wanted the things we wanted, or even if we saw through their disguises, they got in through underhanded deals.

True conservatives put the country and of the citizens(only) first. The country should only be helping out other peoples and nations if it doesn't harm our country and it's citizens, and there aren't any more matters to be dealt with at home. Look at that old fool McCain. Supposedly, he is conservative, be then he turns around on us and says, hey, I think legalizing all the illegals is a great idea. That isn't a conservative act. The only reason he would have to do that is that somebody was lining his pockets with green, just like any other "conservative" that supported SOPA and PIPA.

The same thing goes on in the liberal side, just as many of them are as corrupt(I think they are more insidious because they work faster than the fake conservatives and are so open about their corruption but then liberals still vote for them).

We need new leadership, preferably true conservative leadership, though traditional non-social liberal leadership I could live with as well, and then after that happens we need to lock the country down and deal with all the people trying to take away freedoms, people like the ones that supported SOPA. Bring back the freedom to be only able to care about oneself, example, if you want government health care, don't be knocking on my door for money, the only people that should be paying for it are the people that support it and are actually using it, just as I'm only paying money to my health insurance company and they are only paying out to people that use and pay to that company.

Long story short, true conservatives hate SOPA and PIPA.

 

[Westaway]

Um, "V for Vendetta times" would be a facist take over after half the world has beem nuked, and the government disbanded.

 

[Westaway]

The funny thing is, is that I live in Canada were we don't really care about sopa and I pretty sure V fro vendetta didn't happen in Canada.
But I would love it if it did; make things more exciting.

Oh Christ, what do you mean "we" don't care? I care, and you should too. You do realise every website you love is American, right? Including this one? It will effect everyone in the world.

 

[OneOfTheMichael's]

The funny thing is, is that I live in Canada were we don't really care about sopa and I pretty sure V fro vendetta didn't happen in Canada.
But I would love it if it did; make things more exciting.

Oh Christ, what do you mean "we" don't care? I care, and you should too. You do realise every website you love is American, right? Including this one? It will effect everyone in the world.

I know it will, I just didn't really bother to write my full thoughts on this thread ( I've already done it on another and it was a long one)
I know how it will effect many websites and I do care, I just mean't I don't really care about it unless it passes.
Until then of course.

 

[Gnoekeos]

I think Mike Kupari's answer to this entire brouhaha belongs in this thread.

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/01/18/sopa/

You didn?t care when the government decided it could spy on you without a warrant. You didn?t care when they started telling you what you could eat. You didn?t care when your kids? education was turned into indoctrination. You didn?t care when they were more worried about military veterans than Islamic terrorists. You didn?t care when they spent so much money that our entire economic system may co?llapse. You didn?t care when they gave billions of your money to unions and corporations that were their political contributors. You didn?t care when inert cosmetic features on guns were felonies. You didn?t care when they made it a fucking crime to not have government approved health insurance.

All of these things were done in your name. On your behalf. To help you, protect you, take care of you. Each time you gave them more power and gave away more of your freedom. Each time you believed them when they said they were protecting you, or helping the less fortunate, or sticking it to ?the rich? who ?aren?t paying their fair share?.

Each time you applauded their efforts. Mocked those that were concerned. Called them uncaring or racist or alarmist or stupid. Each time you asked for more. You begged them to take care of you, protect you, right wrongs, enforce equality.

But now that your Internet porn and bit torrents are threatened, NOW you care?

It?s too late for all that, kids. Turning off Wikipedia for a couple days isn?t going to win back the freedoms we?ve pissed away. It isn?t going to undo decades of expanding government power. They?ve already decided there?s nothing they can?t do, no law they can?t pass.

We watched it happen. We let it happen. We have the country we deserve.

So go ahead, post a rant about SOPA on your blog. Link to Ron Paul?s web page. Pretend you?re doing something. It?ll make you feel better. Then you will go back to business as usual and so will they.

Democracy in action. Isn?t it beautiful?

What a helpful statement. Did he writer feel good about themselves afterward?

 

[TotalerKrieger]

It's funny how so many non-ultra patriotic Americans always talk about how they will be moving to another Anglophone nation should things turn sour. Are you serious? Is is really that bad? From an outsider's perspective, the healthcare in your country seems pretty brutal but other than that it all seems very similar.

For example, Canada is hardly a beacon of progressive sanity at the moment. We have had a hardliner right-wing gov't for 6 years now. The current ruling Conservative Party, rooted in former Reform Party doctrine (think British Nationalist Party), has done everything possible to undermine the rights of women, LGBT people, working class citizens, and immigrants. Our environmental policy is a joke. At the same time these neo-cons (sort of) routinely bend over backwards for the military and big business (billions in tax dollars pissed away). We have our very own brand of "Canadian Bullshit" friends.

The level of bullshit varies from province to province as well, depending on your preferences. My negative sterotypical assessment of Canada:

British Columbia: AKA California North, drugs-o-plenty, crime, annoying hipsters, sub-par artists, priviliged yuppies.

Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba: AKA Texas North, Cowboy hats, belt buckles, gun lobby, big oil, hookers-o-plenty, Christian nutjobs, Ultra-Conservative.

Yukon, NW-Territories, Nunavut: minority mentally disfunctional and/or alcoholic white people, majority mentally disfunctional and/or alcoholic Inuit people. Tundra Wasteland. See: Alaska.

Ontairio: AKA New England North, superiority complex, vain, over-educated, hardcore capitalists, US culture with faint hints of British heritage.

Quebec: Loud mouthed, selfish, privileged, veiled french racism/xenophobia, always complaining about things nobody else cares about.

New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI, Newfoundland: Poor, Uneducated, Irish-degree of binge drinking, umemployment rampant, "Trailer Park Boys" (accurate on some levels), bag-pipes.

So there you go Yanks take your pick...

 

[SkellgrimOrDave]

There's been no nuclear war.... Africa isn't gone.. Europe isn't gone.... The thames hasn't burst its banks, I don't know what you're talking about.

EDIT: If you really want change, you'll have to accept that the future is bearing down like an express train on us. And we put it there. We were scared when a few nutjobs acted on something and did something that killed someone and destroyed something, and we gave the freedom to do something about to someone else, stuck out fingers in our ears and assumed they were more responsible than us. They weren't, and they aren't.

The only way to get a better future is to derail the entire train, it's on a slipery slope towards some kind of dystopia. It's not going to be Nineteen-Eighty-Four, its not going to be either the Graphic Novel or the film of V for Vendetta. It's going to be its own little world of illusion of choice and freedom, lack of true choice and no personal freedom or responsibility.

Just remember, the only difference between you and those in power is job title and what you wear in your day job. They don't have a massive frontal lobe that gives them foresight or wisdom.

 

[Khada]

Pretty much, there are a great many things that need to change in this world before we can really call ourselves civilised. So long as government/business care only about money/profits and the interests of the wealthy, it will be up to the people to push for change that benefits everyone which will result in a resentment for the government/business etc.

Also, V For Vendetta is my favorite movie

 

[Cody Kraktzor]

Looking in as an outsider (I live in Canada), I think that saying V for Vendetta has come true, is a bit premeture. But things in the US do apear to be getting worse....

Its really coming to a head, slowly i might add, with almost revolutionary attidueds rizing up, between the the rich and the not-rich.

First Occupy Wall Street, now Sopa and Pipa causing internet all out war.

"May you live in intersting times" indeed.

That last one is actually meant as a curse...is an old Chinese proverb I think...

 

[lRookiel]

Yes, it is just you. SOPA is nothing like V for Vendetta, people are overreacting. Yes they are terrible bills, but they aren't going to cause a nuclear war.

People need to calm down.

Let them have their fun.

 

[Jakub324]

I never understood the "Move to Canada or Britain" people.

If you're leaving America because you hate it, why would you go to the two countries most similar to it?

to enjoy all the comforts of a 1st world country without the american bullshit...anyway, going somwhere cultrually different is very hard

anyway rightnow Im gla dot be living where I do

But there are tons of, no offense, (according to them) "better" first world countries to go to. Sweden, maybe even France perhaps. But isn't the idea that they hate American Culture? Wouldn't they want to be somewhere culturally different?

And what is "The American Bullshit" anyways?

A Bill that never made it to the floor of Congress because The People spoke out against it? That's supposed to be how government works. This was a very good thing. More things like this should happen.

I'm about the least patriotic person you can find, and I'm still glad to be living in America.

France is financially doomed, don't go there. They've been downgraded from AAA to a mere AA, didn't you hear?

I'd go to Australialand.

OT: I think it's a bit soon to start making that comparison, but things are getting a lot uglier for the USA, if what I hear is true.

 

[Vault101]

You mean the world has become a really bad, stupid movie?

..............

You might be right.

OT. It's always the people in the world who have the least to complain about whose complaints are the most vocal.

oh come on, the movie wasnt [i/]that[/i] bad, I loved it at the time, though after reading the comic and everything, plus looking back I dont see it the same way

hmmmmm its hard to say

we arnt EXACTALLY like V for vendetta...I mean comicbook wise things were almost post-apocalyptic worse than in the movie..

I'll only start worrying if I get "kidnapped" by a some crazy bastard in a guy fawkes mask

Isn't as scary as it sounds. believe me.

OT: meh, not really, the world in V for Vendetta was a post apocalyptic crap-sack world controlled by a government that fabricated a terrorist scare...to...oh.

are you trying to say we are like that?....did I sleep through the apocolypse or somthing?

<watches ten-year-old girl get gunned down for vandalism>

Nope, you're just paranoid and/or desperate for some hardship.

yeah..if we cant have mad max/fallout then we'll settle for V for vendetta dammit!

 

[emeraldrafael]

its called a recession. yout hink this is bad here? just wait till the EU collapses under its weight, and the non EU members are forced to try and pick up the pieces. The us will be nothing compared to what measure the EU (or whats left of it) is going take.

...

and thats not even talking about when China jumps in and decides that they have the power to start trying this shit.

 

[Korolev]

In a way it's starting to move in that direction - it's nowhere near that level yet, but tentative steps are being taken towards that type of society. In fact, that sort of society already exists in many parts of the world - North Korea (it's actually 100x worse in N.Korea than in V for Vendetta) and Syria have similar governments.

The US is still nowhere near the level of V for Vendetta - for example, you can still criticize Obama openly and vociferously and..... nothing will happen (so long as you don't wave a gun around crying that you're gonna kill him). The US will forcibly remove a president after two terms. You can still vote, and it still, more or less, counts. The Media can still criticize and inform the public.

It is starting to get a little bit like V... but that's only because the people of the US are letting it - both Republicans and Democrats don't seem to care much for their freedom. Oh sure, the Democrats pretended that civil rights was the most important thing in the world when Bush was violating them, but now have grown curiously silent now that a Democrat is in the White House. Conversely, Republicans who frequently wail and scream and cry that Obama is destroy liberty, had almost NO PROBLEM AT ALL when Bush was doing pretty much exactly the same crap during his two terms.

Americans only seem to care about the loss of their civil liberties when they perceive it is being done by a disliked political party - but when it's their own chosen party doing it, hey, they've got no problems with it. "It's bad when YOUR president does X, but when MY president does X, it's fine". That seems to be the attitude of most Americans.

 

[Treblaine]

With sopa and the ndaa bills, I feel like we're starting to live in V for vendetta times, mass censorship, people being detained without trial never to be heard from again, hell I'd move to Canada or Britain but then they'd just ship my USAss back. Anyone else feel the same way?

Might want to educate yourself on British law before you make sweeping generalisations