is it odd my father owns a translated version of Mein Kampf

[Weaver]

I don't think so. It's a book that helped spark the most important event in modern history.
How could you not be at least a little interested in it?

 

[F'Angus]

Hell I've read bits of Mein Kampf. It's a good insight.

Also I thinks it's one of the most popular books in India.

 

[Sanglyon]

Nazi were christians, so wicca is a no-no for them too.

I should probably insert a facepalm graphic here, but I can't be bothered. Nazis may self-profess as christians, but they are not christians, by definition. Obvious statement is obvious.

Most Christians that bothered to claim that they are such, weren't by definition.

Can't people stop using "by definition" when there is nothing self-explanatory in their sentence?
Blue isn't red, by definition. Cats aren't dog, by definition.
You can't say you are mute, by definition. You can't say you're me, by definition.
But you can certainly claim to be christian and really be christian.
Otherwise the majority of americans are not christians, because they certainly claim very much to be.

If what you meant what that their acts demonstrated that they were not really christians, then say it clearly.

 

[Antari]

If its one of a few thousand other books, I wouldn't be too concerned. If its the only book he owns... then I might worry.

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

Not weird at all. Hitler was a remarkable man in many ways if you can temporarily overlook all that sweaty hate.

He was good at giving speeches. That's about it. He was a pretty terrible leader, people are really misinformed about him.

It is weird as time goes on more and more people are saying "Besides the holocaust he was a great leader!". Not true. He did nothing for their inflated economy and succeeded on charisma and brutality. His ability to move a country with words and create proper scapegoats gave him the image of success when in reality Germany continued to be a fiscal nightmare. Also if German science wasn't so advanced and Europe didn't appease him so easily he would have been squashed before he could even said blitzkrieg. He was a pretty terrible military mind. And a pretty terrible excuse for a human being.

OT: If your dad is interested in history than no...but if not then i have no idea, ask him about it.

He was a good painter and decorator. Mad Skillz.

He got kicked out of art school so I am not sure he had "mad skillz".

I didn't know you needed an art qualification to paint and decorate.. maybe he just prefered the stict regimen of lines and corners.

No you needed an art qualification to pain and decorate in Germany during the early 20th century. You didn't know that? What are they teaching kids these days...

 

[Sentox6]

Nazi were christians, so wicca is a no-no for them too.

I should probably insert a facepalm graphic here, but I can't be bothered. Nazis may self-profess as christians, but they are not christians, by definition. Obvious statement is obvious.

More like obvious self-justification, IMO.

By this argument, the Inquisition was not christian, nor the crusaders. Maybe Hitler and his henchmen used religion as a tool, but those who followed his order were christians and gladly followed their orders without questionning the "christian morality" of their acts.

Unlike you, I happen to live in a country directly concerned by this period of history, and we don't learn about it only with movies and tv shows, as "something that happened somewhere else in the world". And I am old enough to have heard what it was like directly from people who lived through it, in my own family.

You might think they were "un-christian-like", but from their point of view, they did the work of God.

This all may be, but there's nothing useful in what you're saying.

If those following Hitler's orders did so without questioning the morality of it from a Christian viewpoint, then they weren't Christians. Hitler's acts contradict the commands of the Bible (as did the Inquisition, to address your example). There's nothing more to it. Whether or not they believed they were doing the work of God is irrelevant. It's nothing more than a label and a selective set of beliefs that they chose to adopt, and has no bearing on Christianity in its entirety.

I can only assume you're one of those people desperate to blame religion for atrocities that have been committed in the past, in order to ignore the true problem: people. I can understand that. Religion is a much easier target to conceptualise and attack than any individual.

You realise that, just as I didn't live through the holocaust, neither did you? Most of those first-hand accounts have been reproduced quite accurately in numerous history textbooks, and I'm not even going to dignify your condescending remark about "only movies and tv shows".

 

[Biodeamon]

No, not at all. It's an important part of history like the gallows from medival england. Bad yes, but important.

 

[Ohhi]

Nope nothing wrong with it I was thinking about buying a copy of it myself so nope nothing wrong with it.

 

[ChildofGallifrey]

Nah, my best friend has a copy. He's of German descent, a WWII fanatic, and loves learning the history of the country. It's just a historical text at this point.

 

[Saelune]

Maybe he owns it the same reason I would ever own a Bible. Understanding an enemy.

Obvious troll is obvious. On the off chance that you aren't trolling, you might not want to compare the writings of one of history's most despised leaders with the holy book of roughly 2 billion people. It tends to spark a bit of controversy.

EDIT OP: I don't think it's wrong, he may just have an interest in history. Now if he displayed anti semetic qualities then I might be concerned.

Because Im a minority I am a troll? If 2 billion people want to jump off a cliff, am I a troll for saying thats a bad idea? If I had a chance I would curse out the pope. I am already a controversy among christians. I am a sinner because of who I like and what I am, and I must suffer for it despite having no control over it. Fuck that. The Bible is a worse travesty than Hitler. More people died from Christianity than Hitler and the holocaust could ever hope to.

 

[Saelune]

Nazi were christians, so wicca is a no-no for them too.

I should probably insert a facepalm graphic here, but I can't be bothered. Nazis may self-profess as christians, but they are not christians, by definition. Obvious statement is obvious.

Maybe he owns it the same reason I would ever own a Bible. Understanding an enemy.

Guess I should keep a copy of your user profile close at hand, then.

I do. So what? Am I not entitled to have my opinions about people?
Not as an offensive enemy to but as an enemy of logic and reason, which I hold dear to me.

Christianity and logic are not mutually exclusive, but I suspect this is a belief system that you hold as dear as I do my own, so there's probably little value in treading this ground.

Would I be wrong in assuming you are christian then? Well guess what, your faith considered me an enemy before I considered them one. If you are so touchy to be bothered by me, then go ahead and be my enemy. My hostility is just a defense against the attacks of your own.

 

[MisterGobbles]

No, some people actually consider it a very interesting book. You don't have to agree with everything you actively read.

 

[rancher of monsters]

Maybe he owns it the same reason I would ever own a Bible. Understanding an enemy.

Obvious troll is obvious. On the off chance that you aren't trolling, you might not want to compare the writings of one of history's most despised leaders with the holy book of roughly 2 billion people. It tends to spark a bit of controversy.

EDIT OP: I don't think it's wrong, he may just have an interest in history. Now if he displayed anti semetic qualities then I might be concerned.

Because Im a minority I am a troll? If 2 billion people want to jump off a cliff, am I a troll for saying thats a bad idea? If I had a chance I would curse out the pope. I am already a controversy among christians. I am a sinner because of who I like and what I am, and I must suffer for it despite having no control over it. Fuck that. The Bible is a worse travesty than Hitler. More people died from Christianity than Hitler and the holocaust could ever hope to.

You misunderstand, my problem was that you brought a heavily debated and inflammatory subject into a thread that wasn't really asking for it. If this had been a religous topic then I wouldn't have said that. Also, I think it's unfair that you're holding all of christianity responsible for the actions of certain members who claim to be Christians. I don't know your views, but unless you're stabbing babies in the face I don't think you're my enemy. I have an open stance on evolution, gay marriage, abortion rights, and I don't believe salvation is exclusive to those who read the bible or attend church, honestly it hardly boost your chances. My basic Christian philosophy could be boiled down to the ten commandments, turn the other cheek, and do unto others as they do unto you. Now to have what I consider a very moderate belief system compared to Hitler is something that upsets me. I didn't mean to belittle your opinion, but it seemed to come out of left field so I'm sorry if I offended you.

 

[Saelune]

Maybe he owns it the same reason I would ever own a Bible. Understanding an enemy.

Obvious troll is obvious. On the off chance that you aren't trolling, you might not want to compare the writings of one of history's most despised leaders with the holy book of roughly 2 billion people. It tends to spark a bit of controversy.

EDIT OP: I don't think it's wrong, he may just have an interest in history. Now if he displayed anti semetic qualities then I might be concerned.

Because Im a minority I am a troll? If 2 billion people want to jump off a cliff, am I a troll for saying thats a bad idea? If I had a chance I would curse out the pope. I am already a controversy among christians. I am a sinner because of who I like and what I am, and I must suffer for it despite having no control over it. Fuck that. The Bible is a worse travesty than Hitler. More people died from Christianity than Hitler and the holocaust could ever hope to.

You misunderstand, my problem was that you brought a heavily debated and inflammatory subject into a thread that wasn't really asking for it. If this had been a religous topic then I wouldn't have said that. Also, I think it's unfair that you're holding all of christianity responsible for the actions of certain members who claim to be Christians. I don't know your views, but unless you're stabbing babies in the face I don't think you're my enemy. I have an open stance on evolution, gay marriage, abortion rights, and I don't believe salvation is exclusive to those who read the bible or attend church, honestly it hardly boost your chances. My basic Christian philosophy could be boiled down to the ten commandments, turn the other cheek, and do unto others as they do unto you. Now to have what I consider a very moderate belief system compared to Hitler is something that upsets me. I didn't mean to belittle your opinion, but it seemed to come out of left field so I'm sorry if I offended you.

It is unfair for a religion I do not follow to be so invovled in my life. It is unfair that who I am is demonized. It is unfair that I have to follow soem book that is too old for the times. So if it is unfair for me to hold all of Christianity responsible for its actions, then so be it. It is nothing compaired to al the unfairness Christianity brings. I also do not think what Hitler did and what Christianity does any different. I honestly dont. While I understand why religion can be appealing, the cons far outway the good and if I had the choice, religion, all religion, would not exist. And I tire of people who argue that I should not blame an entire group for what few of them did. Instead of telling me, tell those few then. You wont fix religion by arguing with those who call out its problems and faults. Might do better to stop the bad in the first place.

 

[Tamama]

Not odd at all for this interested in history.

 

[rancher of monsters]

Maybe he owns it the same reason I would ever own a Bible. Understanding an enemy.

Obvious troll is obvious. On the off chance that you aren't trolling, you might not want to compare the writings of one of history's most despised leaders with the holy book of roughly 2 billion people. It tends to spark a bit of controversy.

EDIT OP: I don't think it's wrong, he may just have an interest in history. Now if he displayed anti semetic qualities then I might be concerned.

Because Im a minority I am a troll? If 2 billion people want to jump off a cliff, am I a troll for saying thats a bad idea? If I had a chance I would curse out the pope. I am already a controversy among christians. I am a sinner because of who I like and what I am, and I must suffer for it despite having no control over it. Fuck that. The Bible is a worse travesty than Hitler. More people died from Christianity than Hitler and the holocaust could ever hope to.

You misunderstand, my problem was that you brought a heavily debated and inflammatory subject into a thread that wasn't really asking for it. If this had been a religous topic then I wouldn't have said that. Also, I think it's unfair that you're holding all of christianity responsible for the actions of certain members who claim to be Christians. I don't know your views, but unless you're stabbing babies in the face I don't think you're my enemy. I have an open stance on evolution, gay marriage, abortion rights, and I don't believe salvation is exclusive to those who read the bible or attend church, honestly it hardly boost your chances. My basic Christian philosophy could be boiled down to the ten commandments, turn the other cheek, and do unto others as they do unto you. Now to have what I consider a very moderate belief system compared to Hitler is something that upsets me. I didn't mean to belittle your opinion, but it seemed to come out of left field so I'm sorry if I offended you.

It is unfair for a religion I do not follow to be so invovled in my life. It is unfair that who I am is demonized. It is unfair that I have to follow soem book that is too old for the times. So if it is unfair for me to hold all of Christianity responsible for its actions, then so be it. It is nothing compaired to al the unfairness Christianity brings. I also do not think what Hitler did and what Christianity does any different. I honestly dont. While I understand why religion can be appealing, the cons far outway the good and if I had the choice, religion, all religion, would not exist. And I tire of people who argue that I should not blame an entire group for what few of them did. Instead of telling me, tell those few then. You wont fix religion by arguing with those who call out its problems and faults. Might do better to stop the bad in the first place.

I'm not really sure what to say to that. Obviously I apologize if you feel oppressed, though I certainly hope you don't look at the beliefs I listed for myself and see that as the force which is oppressing you. I'm not going to try and convince you on the worth of religion, that's not what this thread is about. You're right about one thing though, if I want to fix the image of my religion than I have to work within it's community to improve our behavior and beliefs. That being said, Christianity is an evangelical faith which means I also have to discuss it with anyone I can. If you are tired of people telling you not to lump all christians together please try to understand where they are coming from. It is my feeling that by lumping people who can hold radically different ideas together it appears you are forming a stereotype, and the public tends to frown on stereotypes based on ones race, gender, sexuality, poilitical alignment, and of course, religion. I don't know what you are or what you are doing that makes you feel oppressed by christians, but I hope at the very least I come off as somebody who has no such intentions. Once again, I'm sorry if I offended you, your original comment just seem out of place to me.

 

[Saelune]

Maybe he owns it the same reason I would ever own a Bible. Understanding an enemy.

Obvious troll is obvious. On the off chance that you aren't trolling, you might not want to compare the writings of one of history's most despised leaders with the holy book of roughly 2 billion people. It tends to spark a bit of controversy.

EDIT OP: I don't think it's wrong, he may just have an interest in history. Now if he displayed anti semetic qualities then I might be concerned.

Because Im a minority I am a troll? If 2 billion people want to jump off a cliff, am I a troll for saying thats a bad idea? If I had a chance I would curse out the pope. I am already a controversy among christians. I am a sinner because of who I like and what I am, and I must suffer for it despite having no control over it. Fuck that. The Bible is a worse travesty than Hitler. More people died from Christianity than Hitler and the holocaust could ever hope to.

You misunderstand, my problem was that you brought a heavily debated and inflammatory subject into a thread that wasn't really asking for it. If this had been a religous topic then I wouldn't have said that. Also, I think it's unfair that you're holding all of christianity responsible for the actions of certain members who claim to be Christians. I don't know your views, but unless you're stabbing babies in the face I don't think you're my enemy. I have an open stance on evolution, gay marriage, abortion rights, and I don't believe salvation is exclusive to those who read the bible or attend church, honestly it hardly boost your chances. My basic Christian philosophy could be boiled down to the ten commandments, turn the other cheek, and do unto others as they do unto you. Now to have what I consider a very moderate belief system compared to Hitler is something that upsets me. I didn't mean to belittle your opinion, but it seemed to come out of left field so I'm sorry if I offended you.

It is unfair for a religion I do not follow to be so invovled in my life. It is unfair that who I am is demonized. It is unfair that I have to follow soem book that is too old for the times. So if it is unfair for me to hold all of Christianity responsible for its actions, then so be it. It is nothing compaired to al the unfairness Christianity brings. I also do not think what Hitler did and what Christianity does any different. I honestly dont. While I understand why religion can be appealing, the cons far outway the good and if I had the choice, religion, all religion, would not exist. And I tire of people who argue that I should not blame an entire group for what few of them did. Instead of telling me, tell those few then. You wont fix religion by arguing with those who call out its problems and faults. Might do better to stop the bad in the first place.

I'm not really sure what to say to that. Obviously I apologize if you feel oppressed, though I certainly hope you don't look at the beliefs I listed for myself and see that as the force which is oppressing you. I'm not going to try and convince you on the worth of religion, that's not what this thread is about. You're right about one thing though, if I want to fix the image of my religion than I have to work within it's community to improve our behavior and beliefs. That being said, Christianity is an evangelical faith which means I also have to discuss it with anyone I can. If you are tired of people telling you not to lump all christians together please try to understand where they are coming from. It is my feeling that by lumping people who can hold radically different ideas together it appears you are forming a stereotype, and the public tends to frown on stereotypes based on ones race, gender, sexuality, poilitical alignment, and of course, religion. I don't know what you are or what you are doing that makes you feel oppressed by christians, but I hope at the very least I come off as somebody who has no such intentions. Once again, I'm sorry if I offended you, your original comment just seem out of place to me.

I do not at all think you one of the bad, but you keep saying things that I feel I must argue against. For one, the public is more supportive of stereotypes than not actually. And two I dont truly lump all who identify as Christian together. I do however think that you cannot be a good Christian AND a good person, atleast not how Christianity says being a good christian means.

For the sake of understanding, I am a transexual who previously identified as a gay male.
I constantly am told to be kinder on my views of people of faith, but it is difficult when I constantly see the bad of religion while the good is so sparce and small.

 

[Sentox6]

Would I be wrong in assuming you are christian then? Well guess what, your faith considered me an enemy before I considered them one. If you are so touchy to be bothered by me, then go ahead and be my enemy. My hostility is just a defense against the attacks of your own.

I'm not at all bothered by you, just slightly bewildered by your apparent sense of persecution.

If you really think my faith considers you an enemy, you have absolutely no understanding of it, and for that I'm genuinely sorry.

For the sake of understanding, I am a transexual who previously identified as a gay male.
I constantly am told to be kinder on my views of people of faith, but it is difficult when I constantly see the bad of religion while the good is so sparce and small.

Perhaps you should spend less time appending labels and trying to categorise people, and more time evaluating them on their individual merits.

You must realise on reflection that your logic is fundamentally flawed. I could just as easily point out the high crime rates amongst ethnic minorities and make a statement like "I don't really think it's possible to be a good person and be black", but that would be an outrageously unfair statement to make, as I'm sure you'd agree.

 

[Saelune]

Would I be wrong in assuming you are christian then? Well guess what, your faith considered me an enemy before I considered them one. If you are so touchy to be bothered by me, then go ahead and be my enemy. My hostility is just a defense against the attacks of your own.

I'm not at all bothered by you, just slightly bewildered by your apparent sense of persecution.

If you really think my faith considers you an enemy, you have absolutely no understanding of it, and for that I'm genuinely sorry.

For the sake of understanding, I am a transexual who previously identified as a gay male.
I constantly am told to be kinder on my views of people of faith, but it is difficult when I constantly see the bad of religion while the good is so sparce and small.

Perhaps you should spend less time appending labels and trying to categorise people, and more time evaluating them on their individual merits.

You must realise on reflection that your logic is fundamentally flawed. I could just as easily point out the high crime rates amongst ethnic minorities and make a statement like "I don't really think it's possible to be a good person and be black", but that would be an outrageously unfair statement to make, as I'm sure you'd agree.

Compairing race and religion in that way is flawed.
And what do I not understand that I am a terrible person for liking men or wanting to be or dress as a female, and that its all my fault even though God supposedly made me. And what about Christianity's merits? Numerous wars because of different thinking (Crusades) Constant bigotry, tons of stupid and frivilous laws to force the world to be how they think an outdated book wants. Dont tell me I am ignorant when you clearly are a thrall of your faith.