Is it stealing to pirate a game you own physicaly but cant install

[k-ossuburb]

What you've got is two copies of the same product; one you paid for and one you didn't, the fact that one is faulty is not an issue when it comes to these things, since it will be argued that you should've just returned it. Let's replace the games with something else, let's say you bought a pair of headphones and when you opened them up you quickly found out they didn't work, so you go out and "steal" another pair just like them that do work. Actually that analogy sucks, but you get where I'm coming from.

I'm not saying that what you're doing is wrong, I'm simply saying the worst possible scenario.

Personally, I don't think it's stealing since you bought a faulty product and therefore have every right to replace it, technically this could be viewed as simply repairing the faulty product yourself, which is what I'd rather view it as. But sadly people will be a-holes about it and say that is is stolen because you already own a copy and stole another.

Except in this case it's not a faulty product. The computer he wants to play the game on lacks a disc drive.

Oh... I should've read the OP.

Sorry, little bit out of it today on account of being afflicted with man-flu.

Well, in that case, buy an external disc drive.

 

[isnosche]

If I own the copy digitally, can I go into Walmart and take a copy and it be ok? Or if I own a physical copy, can D2D, Steam, or any other site give me that gave for free since I already have it? No. And considering this topic is already at 8 pages, you probably already got the flood of "pirating isn't stealing, it's copying!" losers who seem to think something has to be physical to steal it.

If you actualy read the pages you would have seen that was not the case and we already
have moved way passed that...

 

[Heart of Darkness]

What you've got is two copies of the same product; one you paid for and one you didn't, the fact that one is faulty is not an issue when it comes to these things, since it will be argued that you should've just returned it. Let's replace the games with something else, let's say you bought a pair of headphones and when you opened them up you quickly found out they didn't work, so you go out and "steal" another pair just like them that do work. Actually that analogy sucks, but you get where I'm coming from.

I'm not saying that what you're doing is wrong, I'm simply saying the worst possible scenario.

Personally, I don't think it's stealing since you bought a faulty product and therefore have every right to replace it, technically this could be viewed as simply repairing the faulty product yourself, which is what I'd rather view it as. But sadly people will be a-holes about it and say that is is stolen because you already own a copy and stole another.

Except in this case it's not a faulty product. The computer he wants to play the game on lacks a disc drive.

Doesn't mather as long as the user agreement doesn't say you can only have 1 active copy at a time and even then you could argue that his other copy isn't active...

No, it does matter. If you have two active copies running under two different serial numbers, you're committing copyright infringement because you're using a second license you haven't paid for. Even if you use the same serial, you're running the game from information obtained illegally if you get the information from a torrent or P2P site (since it's illegal to distribute any backup copies you make to other parties).

 

[isnosche]

What you've got is two copies of the same product; one you paid for and one you didn't, the fact that one is faulty is not an issue when it comes to these things, since it will be argued that you should've just returned it. Let's replace the games with something else, let's say you bought a pair of headphones and when you opened them up you quickly found out they didn't work, so you go out and "steal" another pair just like them that do work. Actually that analogy sucks, but you get where I'm coming from.

I'm not saying that what you're doing is wrong, I'm simply saying the worst possible scenario.

Personally, I don't think it's stealing since you bought a faulty product and therefore have every right to replace it, technically this could be viewed as simply repairing the faulty product yourself, which is what I'd rather view it as. But sadly people will be a-holes about it and say that is is stolen because you already own a copy and stole another.

Except in this case it's not a faulty product. The computer he wants to play the game on lacks a disc drive.

Doesn't mather as long as the user agreement doesn't say you can only have 1 active copy at a time and even then you could argue that his other copy isn't active...

No, it does matter. If you have two active copies running under two different serial numbers, you're committing copyright infringement because you're using a second license you haven't paid for. Even if you use the same serial, you're running the game from information obtained illegally if you get the information from a torrent or P2P site (since it's illegal to distribute any backup copies you make to other parties).

But this is not the case here as we pointed out. There no reason here to use another cd key...
Its not illigal to obtain a game from a torrent site ...........
ITS ILLIGAL to obtain a game from a torrent site that you dont OWN (owning the game ofcourse ) ....

sorry for the caps but i dont know how to accentuate it otherwise

 

[Sovereignty]

Short answer: Technically it's illegal (Because you're allowed to back up your own media. Not procure an illegitimate backup.) But realistically you paid for the game, so long as you aren't going to sell the disk after installing it, it's fine.

Long answer? I think the short answer was long enough. But really if you can question the morality of it, enough to ask for the answer from others. You should realize it's probably not something you want to do.

 

[isnosche]

Short answer: Technically it's illegal (Because you're allowed to back up your own media. Not procure an illegitimate backup.) But realistically you paid for the game, so long as you aren't going to sell the disk after installing it, it's fine.

Long answer? I think the short answer was long enough. But really if you can question the morality of it, enough to ask for the answer from others. You should realize it's probably not something you want to do.

Short answer =

Ask around and see if your friends dont have a usb DVD drive

Long answer = all off the above posts ...

 

[Assassin Xaero]

If I own the copy digitally, can I go into Walmart and take a copy and it be ok? Or if I own a physical copy, can D2D, Steam, or any other site give me that gave for free since I already have it? No. And considering this topic is already at 8 pages, you probably already got the flood of "pirating isn't stealing, it's copying!" losers who seem to think something has to be physical to steal it.

If you actualy read the pages you would have seen that was not the case and we already
have moved way passed that...

Did you really expect me to read 8 pages of stuff? Seriously, it is the internet. It has been proven that you're lucky to write a 3 paragraph post and have people actually read the entire thing...

 

[Heart of Darkness]

What you've got is two copies of the same product; one you paid for and one you didn't, the fact that one is faulty is not an issue when it comes to these things, since it will be argued that you should've just returned it. Let's replace the games with something else, let's say you bought a pair of headphones and when you opened them up you quickly found out they didn't work, so you go out and "steal" another pair just like them that do work. Actually that analogy sucks, but you get where I'm coming from.

I'm not saying that what you're doing is wrong, I'm simply saying the worst possible scenario.

Personally, I don't think it's stealing since you bought a faulty product and therefore have every right to replace it, technically this could be viewed as simply repairing the faulty product yourself, which is what I'd rather view it as. But sadly people will be a-holes about it and say that is is stolen because you already own a copy and stole another.

Except in this case it's not a faulty product. The computer he wants to play the game on lacks a disc drive.

Doesn't mather as long as the user agreement doesn't say you can only have 1 active copy at a time and even then you could argue that his other copy isn't active...

No, it does matter. If you have two active copies running under two different serial numbers, you're committing copyright infringement because you're using a second license you haven't paid for. Even if you use the same serial, you're running the game from information obtained illegally if you get the information from a torrent or P2P site (since it's illegal to distribute any backup copies you make to other parties).

But this is not the case here as we pointed out. There no reason here to use another cd key...
Its not illigal to obtain a game from a torrent site ...........
ITS ILLIGAL to obtain a game from a torrent site that you dont OWN (owning the game ofcourse ) ....

sorry for the caps but i dont know how to accentuate it otherwise

Yes, it is. You're obtaining an illegal backup copy, one that has already been illegally distributed. You're allowed to make your own backup copies, or have someone else make one for you (as long as he doesn't keep any of the information), but you are not allowed to get information that originates from the same license (in this case, the physical disc purchased by the consumer) that already exists on another computer, because you are not allowed to distribute the information while also retaining a copy for yourself. This is independent of whether or not you actually own the game.

It comes down to a matter of licenses. You paid for the game once. You're only entitled to one copy of the game and all of its information. Any backups need to be made by you and need to reside solely in your possession.

 

[The Cake]

If I own the copy digitally, can I go into Walmart and take a copy and it be ok? Or if I own a physical copy, can D2D, Steam, or any other site give me that gave for free since I already have it? No. And considering this topic is already at 8 pages, you probably already got the flood of "pirating isn't stealing, it's copying!" losers who seem to think something has to be physical to steal it.

If you actualy read the pages you would have seen that was not the case and we already
have moved way passed that...

Did you really expect me to read 8 pages of stuff? Seriously, it is the internet. It has been proven that you're lucky to write a 3 paragraph post and have people actually read the entire thing...

Besides, your argument is flawed, if you took a physical copy you would be stealing the serial key. If you wanted a digital copy from , you would be acquiring another key.

 

[isnosche]

What you've got is two copies of the same product; one you paid for and one you didn't, the fact that one is faulty is not an issue when it comes to these things, since it will be argued that you should've just returned it. Let's replace the games with something else, let's say you bought a pair of headphones and when you opened them up you quickly found out they didn't work, so you go out and "steal" another pair just like them that do work. Actually that analogy sucks, but you get where I'm coming from.

I'm not saying that what you're doing is wrong, I'm simply saying the worst possible scenario.

Personally, I don't think it's stealing since you bought a faulty product and therefore have every right to replace it, technically this could be viewed as simply repairing the faulty product yourself, which is what I'd rather view it as. But sadly people will be a-holes about it and say that is is stolen because you already own a copy and stole another.

Except in this case it's not a faulty product. The computer he wants to play the game on lacks a disc drive.

Doesn't mather as long as the user agreement doesn't say you can only have 1 active copy at a time and even then you could argue that his other copy isn't active...

No, it does matter. If you have two active copies running under two different serial numbers, you're committing copyright infringement because you're using a second license you haven't paid for. Even if you use the same serial, you're running the game from information obtained illegally if you get the information from a torrent or P2P site (since it's illegal to distribute any backup copies you make to other parties).

But this is not the case here as we pointed out. There no reason here to use another cd key...
Its not illigal to obtain a game from a torrent site ...........
ITS ILLIGAL to obtain a game from a torrent site that you dont OWN (owning the game ofcourse ) ....

sorry for the caps but i dont know how to accentuate it otherwise

Yes, it is. You're obtaining an illegal backup copy, one that has already been illegally distributed. You're allowed to make your own backup copies, or have someone else make one for you (as long as he doesn't keep any of the information), but you are not allowed to get information that originates from the same license (in this case, the physical disc purchased by the consumer) that already exists on another computer, because you are not allowed to distribute the information while also retaining a copy for yourself. This is independent of whether or not you actually own the game.

It comes down to a matter of licenses. You paid for the game once. You're only entitled to one copy of the game and all of its information. Any backups need to be made by you and need to reside solely in your possession.

It comes down to a matter of licenses like you said

You paid for the game once No! you paid for the lisence to use the software ....

You're only entitled to one copy of the game and all of its information

Simply untrue you are entitled to as much copies of the game as your license allows you.
Also it doesn't mather where the copy you got came from ...
Unless its a bootleg Game vendor

 

[isnosche]

If I own the copy digitally, can I go into Walmart and take a copy and it be ok? Or if I own a physical copy, can D2D, Steam, or any other site give me that gave for free since I already have it? No. And considering this topic is already at 8 pages, you probably already got the flood of "pirating isn't stealing, it's copying!" losers who seem to think something has to be physical to steal it.

If you actualy read the pages you would have seen that was not the case and we already
have moved way passed that...

Did you really expect me to read 8 pages of stuff? Seriously, it is the internet. It has been proven that you're lucky to write a 3 paragraph post and have people actually read the entire thing...

yeah maybe its stupid of me to expect for people to read something before they form a post or opinion about something
must be because i'm from the pre-troll era

Ironic, because you're trolling right now. I don't see why I should waste time reading 8 pages of stuff to form my opinion on the first post of the thread, and then have to defend myself and reasoning from some little kid troll. But that might just be my sense of logic coming out again...

1 i never said you were trolling i was responding to the fact that i'm not used to people commenting on something they didn't read ...

2 I'm far from a Kid and you didn't form an opinion on the op but on the 8 pages you never read ... as you yourself said correct ?

 

[Zinaxos]

Generally speaking... Yes. But with my deductive reasoning i would have to say no.

 

[Heart of Darkness]

It comes down to a matter of licenses like you said

You paid for the game once No! you paid for the lisence to use the software ....

You're only entitled to one copy of the game and all of its information

Simply untrue you are entitled to as much copies of the game as your license allows you.
Also it doesn't mather where the copy you got came from ...
Unless its a bootleg Game vendor

No. You're only entitled to use one copy of the software. You're not allowed to overstep the bounds of the license (i.e., if the license only allows for one active copy at a time, you cannot install the game on two computers simultaneously). And it does matter where the backup copy comes from. Legally, you're only allowed to use your own backup copies (copies that come from the disc associated with your license), not the backup copies that originate from someone else's game disc, simply because it is illegal to distribute backup copies. I don't understand how hard this concept is to grasp.

 

[LorChan]

Legally, yes. Morally, no. And, since there are almost never legal repercussions, the morals are all that really matter.

I do the exact same thing when my DVDs get scratched.

 

[isnosche]

It comes down to a matter of licenses like you said

You paid for the game once No! you paid for the lisence to use the software ....

You're only entitled to one copy of the game and all of its information

Simply untrue you are entitled to as much copies of the game as your license allows you.
Also it doesn't mather where the copy you got came from ...
Unless its a bootleg Game vendor

No. You're only entitled to use one copy of the software. You're not allowed to overstep the bounds of the license (i.e., if the license only allows for one active copy at a time, you cannot install the game on two computers simultaneously). And it does matter where the backup copy comes from. Legally, you're only allowed to use your own backup copies (copies that come from the disc associated with your license), not the backup copies that originate from someone else's game disc, simply because it is illegal to distribute backup copies. I don't understand how hard this concept is to grasp.

Your point of view nor the concept is ndifficult to grasp.
I was just trying to say that not all licenses limit the person to just one pc.
I assume neither of us have read the license for Gothik 1 so we can't really argue about that
I've been told that its not illigal to give a backup copy to someone when they own the disc.
Maybe the laws for my country are different then yours ?
Its illigal to sell them offcourse.

 

[Whateveralot]

This is not stealing.

In fact, I did this once. I bought a game once and the disc was damaged. It wasn't for sale any more anyways, but I still felt like I had the right to download it. Internet acts as a kind of backup for everything. If it asks for a cd-key you can always enter the one from the physical copy you actually own.

The thing is that pirates use this reason to cover up downloading games they did not pay for.

 

[Hawkeye16]

You have a legal copy, so go for it.

 

[Pyro Paul]

No, it's still piracy. The only way you're allowed to have a digital backup is if you make one yourself. Taking it off a P2P server of torrent site is still considered copyright infringement, regardless of your owning a physical copy or not.

acctually this is some what of an intresting point...

Arguably no...

DMCA section 117 section a.
...It is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation.

through the Digital Melennium Copyright Act, you legally CAN obtain off of a P2P or Torrent as you tangently authorize the person(s) you are getting the information from to produce another copy for you.

But again, another Very Grey area because of how vauge the law itself is written.

No, it's to authorize someone to make a copy for you from your physical copy, from the serial number associated with your physical copy. Besides, you're not authorizing other people to make torrents. You're just going to TPB (or some similar site) and doing a search for . That's not the same.

The whole thing about copyright infringement comes down to licenses. When you buy the game, you are buying one license. One. Pirating a copy for a game you already own is considered copyright infringement because you're obtaining the rights to a second license without paying for it. That's why downloading a torrent for the game is still considered copyright infringement.

see this is where things tend to get people confused as there is a little controdiction between DMCA and EULA, and the way publishers present the EULA people often have a hard time making out what way is up.

but here is the thing...
you are sold 2 things.
a Copyright and License.

the Copyright is applied Before Everything else and is directly about the Data on the Disk. you own the copyright to the information on the disk and can re-obtain the information as many as times as you want through any means you want.

if that means downloading it off of TPB then so be it.
there is nothing illegal or infringing about this.

the License on the other hand is the 'right to play' said data. If you read just EULA you'd be lead to believe that both the copyright and License are one in the same... but they are not. the copyright is the right to copy the data, the License is the right to Use it. and both are not mutually exclusive.

while you are allowed to download the game and install it across a room full of computers, by EULA you're only allowed to have 1 Instance of the game Active at any given time.

If you buy the game and install it on your PC, then torrent the game and put it on a Netbook that doesn't have a DVD drive, then you've done nothing wrong.

But if you take this one step further, having both systems running the same game at the same time then you've violated EULA.

i hope this clears things up about it.

if you're still confused, i suggest looking at Valve's 'Steam' Program as it is a perfect example.

 

[Singularly Datarific]

Nope. Go ahead. The trick is that you already have bought your rights to a copy, and since it broke/doesn't work , you are perfectly qualified to get a new one.

 

[isnosche]

pyro paul

Thanks for clearing that up