Is it stealing to pirate a game you own physicaly but cant install

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I'm not really concerned what the law has to say, I have downloaded patched versions of games I own that simply wouldn't install on windows 7.

Those who claim to be "morally correct" can go fly away, or...hide, or something.
 

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We all know that music, movie, and game industies absolutely despise the used game/music/movie market. By next year, most games will have serial numbers attached to them allowing the use/install of the game on only 1 machine. You will no longer be able to sell the game, rent the game, or reinstall it on your new machine as soon as your old machine breaks. The same might happen to music and movies.

I find it hypocritical that software/game developers claim they only sold us a license, and if the physical media is damaged and I can no longer able to access the software, they want to force me to buy a brand new disc & license.

The game/music/movie industry is going to kill itself, and I hope that it happens very quickly. And it isn't the pirates that are killing it, they merely represent what the consumer wants: no bullshit.
 

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Pyro Paul said:
see this is where things tend to get people confused as there is a little controdiction between DMCA and EULA, and the way publishers present the EULA people often have a hard time making out what way is up.

but here is the thing...
you are sold 2 things.
a Copyright and License.

the Copyright is applied Before Everything else and is directly about the Data on the Disk. you own the copyright to the information on the disk and can re-obtain the information as many as times as you want through any means you want.

if that means downloading it off of TPB then so be it.
there is nothing illegal or infringing about this.

the License on the other hand is the 'right to play' said data. If you read just EULA you'd be lead to believe that both the copyright and License are one in the same... but they are not. the copyright is the right to copy the data, the License is the right to Use it. and both are not mutually exclusive.

while you are allowed to download the game and install it across a room full of computers, by EULA you're only allowed to have 1 Instance of the game Active at any given time.

If you buy the game and install it on your PC, then torrent the game and put it on a Netbook that doesn't have a DVD drive, then you've done nothing wrong.

But if you take this one step further, having both systems running the same game at the same time then you've violated EULA.

i hope this clears things up about it.

if you're still confused, i suggest looking at Valve's 'Steam' Program as it is a perfect example.
Ugh, no. You're never sold a copyright. A copyright is a set of exclusive rights given to the author or creator of an original work, which includes the rights to sell, modify, and distribute the work. Copyrights also apply to performances of non-digital works, as well, i.e., dances, comedy, or specific adaptations of public domain works (such as a recording of a philharmonic band playing one of Mozart's operas). If you were sold the copyright to, say, Doom, you would have the ability to sell and distribute your own copies of Doom using the same data. The only thing you're sold when you buy a game is the license to use the software.

You have no rights to distribute or profit from the original work, or to obtain said information from illegal distribution. This includes downloading the game from torrent sites and P2P sites. If you're not using your own backups or the information given to you through the actual instance of the license (i.e., the disc), you are pirating the information regardless of whether you already own the information or not.

And really, Steam is a good example of the whole license concept. If you violate the terms of the license, Valve can revoke the licenses to all of your games by banning your account. Just because you bought a license to Half-Life 2 doesn't give you the right to obtain the information from torrent sites when your account is banned. You need to purchase a second license.
 

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Pyro Paul said:
Pandaman1911 said:
Piracy is piracy, it doesn't matter why you're doing it. In the eyes of the law, it's wrong, and that's all that really matters. I don't see anything wrong with it, but the judge will.
i don't think you know what 'Piracy' Means.
in so many words, Piracy means Copyright Infringement...
not the act of downloading Copyrighted content off of the internet.

If you own the copyrighted item you acctually have the right to obtain a digital/electronic copy of that item through any means you think nessary. That includes downloading it off of a P2P server or Torrent.

The act of doing this is Not Illegal.
There for the Judge will be hard pressed to find ANYTHING wrong with it.
Copying the content in question- which is what would have to happen in order for it to be uploaded to said site- counts as copyright infringement, also known as PIRACY.
 

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Veldie said:
Recently my gaming computer broke down so im forced to use a netbook my mom lent me now what I am wondering is if it is considered stealing if I own the game example Gothic 1 but becouse the netbook lacks a disc drive I cant install and play it like normal so is it bad to get a online copy for a game I legitedly own?



I dont support piracy or theaft and such so this is why I am asking if this kinda question is against rules then sorry in advance.
Short answer: No.

Long answer: You own it. You paid for it. If you do not have a working product, the industry is the pirate. Yar it up and get your copy.
 

mjc0961

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Very easy: It's still piracy. People are claiming "you can make a backup copy so it's okay", but downloading a copy online is not making a backup copy. It's still pirating a copy of the game. Making a backup of the product you own requires actually using the product you own, not going onto a torrent site and downloading some other person's copy that they shouldn't be distributing in the first place.

If you want to play on your netbook, either use a copy you personally made yourself, or get one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=420&name=External-CD-DVD-Drives

But pirating it is still pirating it and you shouldn't do it. It will still have all the negative effect on the industry that pirating has (namely, companies think they need stronger and more invasive DRM because hey look at how many times this game got pirated) regardless of if you bought a copy. So don't pirate, it's still wrong.

By the way, should you get busted by the game's publishers and have charges brought against you (or get sued), "But I bought the game and just couldn't get it to run with no disc drive!" isn't likely to be a valid defense in court. Something else to think about.
 

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Veldie said:
Recently my gaming computer broke down so im forced to use a netbook my mom lent me now what I am wondering is if it is considered stealing if I own the game example Gothic 1 but becouse the netbook lacks a disc drive I cant install and play it like normal so is it bad to get a online copy for a game I legitimately own?
There are work-arounds. You can get your copy of Gothic onto the netbook without torrenting another. However, its much easier to torrent it. The world we live in eh?
 

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I payed money, got the game, showed I support the developers, so why the hell is it so wrong for me to want to play it on a different pc? What difference would it make if I just stuck the disk or downloaded the game? Does downloading a torrent sound some kind of alarm in the company's headquarters, automatically sending a god damn platoon of FBI agents and flying tanks to your house, or set an orphanage on fire? NO!

Go ahead and download it, don't bother yourself with petty things like morality, because you already paid for the game.
 

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If I own the copy digitally, can I go into Walmart and take a copy and it be ok? Or if I own a physical copy, can D2D, Steam, or any other site give me that gave for free since I already have it? No. And considering this topic is already at 8 pages, you probably already got the flood of "pirating isn't stealing, it's copying!" losers who seem to think something has to be physical to steal it.
actually that's wrong... if you buy the same version that steam licensed (which is what I meant when I said you can download the same version of the game) then you can register the key with steam and download it wherever you have internet or whenever you want
I have done just that with "Dark Messiah of Might and Magic"!

physical copies are an entirely different matter as you bought the game you have bought a license the lincense is for the data the stuff ON the CD not the CD itself that are two different things.
and since d2d and retail copies have different licenses it's like a different game even if it has the same content. very easy to understand if you look at ps3 or psp games they each have a code something like BLUS30348 which is the serial of the game cross edge and BLJM-60086 which is the same game but in a different language. same game but I have only purchased one so I would only be allowed to download one version

and next time, when you point your finger at someone and make a statement like "people who think downloading is not stealing are wrong and losers" better make sure if what you said is not just makebelieve or "half knowledge". It will make you at least seem like a civil person^^
 

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Technically, it is pirating, but it's perfectly legal pirating.

You owned the game, your more or less making a legal copy, which, under law, is perfectly legal.
 

Deadlock Radium

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I'd say it's not piracy. Why do I think so? Because you own a physical copy of it, and therefore it's yours. If you have to for example provide a CD-key, you can use yours.

In short, no, not piracy.
 

Bigsmith

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I just made this


I think it'll do.

Edit:

Just get ahold of a USB CD drive. Am getting one my self soon.
 

Digikid

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As long as you use YOUR key that came with the game then no it is not stealing. You paid for the KEY....not actual game.
 

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Veldie said:
Recently my gaming computer broke down so im forced to use a netbook my mom lent me now what I am wondering is if it is considered stealing if I own the game example Gothic 1 but becouse the netbook lacks a disc drive I cant install and play it like normal so is it bad to get a online copy for a game I legitedly own?



I dont support piracy or theaft and such so this is why I am asking if this kinda question is against rules then sorry in advance.
You can buy external optical disc drives, and they're fairly inexpensive last I checked. That being said, I would say it would be okay to download it since you already own it, but the law has this as sort of a grey area, so I'm not sure how they'd take it.
 

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I did this with resident evil 4. My wii Broke so I downloaded the pc version, so i could play a game I bought until my wii got fixed a month later.

Mind you, resi 4 on pc is horrible anyway
 

Callate

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My suspicion is that it's technically legal, but in violation of the EULA. I don't think you'd likely be convicted of piracy, but the game company (were they to find out) would be within its rights to revoke your license.