Is marijuana really that bad?

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Burwood123

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Stalk3rchief said:
Less dangerous than cigarettes... are you retarded?
Sure, there may be less tar in it, but when those dolts smoke it they hold it in, causing more damage than any cigarette.
Plus I hate that ALL potheads think they're genius's for the stupid theories they come up wit when they're high.
yeah... do you actually know how to smoke? Ciggarette smokers hold it in too. THATS THE POINT. and weed IS less dangerous by a HUGE margain http://taimapedia.org/index.php?title=Marijuana_is_bad
read any of the medical studies, smoking weed does not increase your risk of lung cancer, and there is substantially less danger in it. PLUS you can vaporise (Inhaling vapour) that cuts out ALL bad stuff or you can cook and eat it, which obviously has no smoke, so stop being an idiot and read up on facts instead of bullshit propoganda
 

Mcupobob

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Yeah its not that bad, theres a stigma about it though, just as there a stigma about smoking cigs and drinking. Lots of people who doesn't have one of three basic vices think their better. Not to mention you got those damn "stoners" giggling and arguing about and won't shut the fuck up about pot. Just like you have those bastard teens smoking cigs hanging outside of tocobell in the parking lot wearing hoodies and acting "cool".

I bet the reason alcohol was banned in the U.S during prohibition was because of those damn "flappers" and beatnecks. Image can go a long way.
 

Gaz6231

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Abengoshis said:
I'm 17...
Well hey, some of us take longer than others. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

Whichi said:
Another thing I'd like to point out, just because "it's natural" doesn't mean you have the God-given right to do with it as you please. Do you use posion ivy/oak as a skin care product? haven you ever eaten a Moonseed? how about Yew? because all that stuff is natural too... and posionous. not all of them are posionous as to be fatal, but a number of them are as posionous to be nauseating and cause other side effects.
You have to be fucking kidding me. the old poison ivy number? Really?
You might as well say 'drinking raw sewage will make you seriously ill and that's natural'. But people don't drink raw sewage or 'put poison ivy on their skin as a skin treatment' because they're not fucking retarded.

Jesus christ people are dumb.
 

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DiMono said:
In fact, nobody has ever died from a weed overdose
Nobody has ever died from a tobacco overdose.

Specious reasoning is fun, but there are more ways to die from both than an overdose.

This is the tough part for me. In condemning poor logic, I set myself up to be pegged as a "hater." And I do think pot is dumb. And I think tobacco and booze are dumb, too. but in the end, I'm all in favour of the right of an individual to make bad choices. Keep it out of my lungs, you can do what you want as far as I care.

As far as "but it also has health benefits," a placebo can "cure" a fever, too. Nicotine also posesses health benefits, as does the demon drink. The argument at best seems to come down to "two wrongs make a right."

But still, don't take me so much as "anti-pot" so much as "pro-logic." There's a lot of legal things we can do that's stupid and harmful, so as long as you don't smoke in front of me or drive high, I don't really care.
 

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Gaz6231 said:
Abengoshis said:
I'm 17...
Well hey, some of us take longer than others. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
How inane. Was that really necessary? Writing unfounded, childish things like that really isn't good for reputation.
 

Gaz6231

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Zachary Amaranth said:
But still, don't take me so much as "anti-pot" so much as "pro-logic." There's a lot of legal things we can do that's stupid and harmful, so as long as you don't smoke in front of me or drive high, I don't really care.


Abengoshis said:
How inane. Was that really necessary? Writing unfounded, childish things like that really isn't good for reputation.
Jeez, did you have your sense of humour surgically removed?
 

DiMono

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Mcupobob said:
Yeah its not that bad, theres a stigma about it though, just as there a stigma about smoking cigs and drinking. Lots of people who doesn't have one of three basic vices think their better. Not to mention you got those damn "stoners" giggling and arguing about and won't shut the fuck up about pot. Just like you have those bastard teens smoking cigs hanging outside of tocobell in the parking lot wearing hoodies and acting "cool".

I bet the reason alcohol was banned in the U.S during prohibition was because of those damn "flappers" and beatnecks. Image can go a long way.
I know this will sound redundant, but if it wasn't a big deal it wouldn't be a big deal. The stigma against smoking and drinking is because they are each proven to cause hundreds of thousands of deaths each year. And smoking is disgusting. The stigma against marijuana is because we're told so. No other reason, just the government saying "you shouldn't do that because it's bad." If there wasn't such a big deal made about it, there wouldn't be the mystical allure toward it, and it would be just another thing that some people do and some people don't do.
 

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Burwood123 said:
Phoenix09215 said:
The problem is that although Marijuana isn't that bad, people with still take advantage if it were legalized... now I'm not sure how you might do that just yet but believe, some idiot will do something that will cross the line... always.
You cant base your entire argument for abusing something on "just go with me on this" the only reason it is banned and this is 100% fact, is because "it makes blacks think they are equal to whites. They will rape our white women, and they will make the devils music (Jazz)" http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/ And nowadays because of a lot of bullshit propoganda (They made monkeys OD on weed bacause they forced them to inhale nothing but PURE THC for 15 minutes straight with no oxygen then said well, obviously it's dangerous.) http://www.drugtext.org/sub/marmyt1.html here is a list of facts and here http://taimapedia.org/index.php?title=Marijuana_is_bad is a list of many a medical study showing beefits and possible side affects. It isnt a harmful drug, youu can abuse anything, food, drinks oxygen. Stop the stupid drug war that nixon started and stop the killing in mexico of drug cartels..
Well I actually said that from a neutral point of view but yeah, your right. I don't think it should be illegal. I've tried it and compared to when I tried alcohol for the first time, nothing happened that got me in to trouble... But my point is that when you give people nice things, idiots always find a way to ruin it. And, I can say with total confidence that if marijuana were legalized it wouldn't take long until there were totally reasonable arguements for making it illegal again...
 

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I personally think taxing stoners is a good money making idea. What I DON'T like, is how much weed fucking stinks (no shit there's ways to get high without stinking but I'm talking about the most common practice). Make weed that doesn't stink and I'll be fine with it.
 

Gaz6231

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Phoenix09215 said:
But my point is that when you give people nice things, idiots always find a way to ruin it. And, I can say with total confidence that if marijuana were legalized it wouldn't take long until there were totally reasonable arguements for making it illegal again...
You mean like the drunken idiots who fill the streets every night starting fights and pissing on walls?
Actually wait, that's not a brilliant analogy, America already tried to ban alcohol.
 

Benny Blanco

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I think this is often an emotive debate as people on both sides have opinions, justified or not, about marijuana. Therefore I have tried to keep this to a brief summary of the facts for and against:

It's not that bad.

-Generally not very physically harmful, especially compared to widely used legal drugs.
-Thousands of years of use mean that a good amount of empirical evidence has been gathered as to the effects.
-Near impossible to OD on.
-Numerous medical applications from pain relief (almost unique in that it doesn't cause "pain return" or a tolerance to build to the effects) to anti-emetic, anti-spasmodic and relief from asthma and glaucoma.
-Unlikely to cause violent behaviour with the exception of exacerbating existing mental health problems.
-By-products (seeds and fibres) can be used for paper, clothing, food, fuel etc.
-Many artists and thinkers credit marijuana with unlocking their creativity or thought processes. As well as all the musicians, special mention should be made to Carl Sagan, as well as martial artists Bruce Jun Fan Lee and Eddie Bravo, both of whom invented new ways to practice martial arts and are on record praising marijuana's effect of increasing blood flow to the brain.

It's not that great.

-Smoking anything is not great for your lungs.
-Pot will not magically make you an intelligent or creative person if you are not already.
-If you think you're deep & mystical when stoned, try recording your ramblings on tape or in writing and re-examining when sober again. Good chance you were just talking shite.
-Super Skunk is not the same as the natural varieties grown and there is evidence that the chemical balance present may cause or exacerbate existing mental illness in predisposed individuals, as well as having disastrous effects on developing brains with persistent heavy use.


In conclusion:

It should be a personal choice for adults to make. Either decriminalisation (allowing possession and light cultivation) or full legalisation for adult use would be the most sensible policies.

-Nothing one does should put them at risk of incarceration if they harm no-one else. One's possible ill health does not justify the pretty much inevitable ill-effects of putting non-violent drug offenders in prison with rapists and murderers.
-Tax revenue from legal marijuana sale could put many crisis-ridden economies back in the black.
-Regulation would allow for quality control and monitoring of the level of consumption by individuals, enabling problem users to be identified early.
-Enormous profits which currently fund criminal organisations would go to legitimate businesses, tax collectors, or in the case of decriminalisation, simply find their way back into the economy through legal means.
 

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Gaz6231 said:
Hey, the 'excessive amount' cliche, haven't heard that in a while.

Let me just finish this thread so we can all get on with our lives;

Post Railing Against 'Potheads' And Somehow Insinuating That Pot Will Turn America Into A Nation Of Communist Hippies.

Post Calmly And Rationally Explaining That Just Because Some Idiots Smoke Pot Does Not Mean All Pot Smokers Are Idiots.

Post Explaining Medical Benefits, Potential Tax Benefits, Comparitively Tiny Health Issues In Relation To Alcohol/Tobacco.

Post Complaining About 'The Dopers That Live In My Street'.

Forum Member who Believes That Pot is Bad Because It Is Illegal, and the Reason It Is Illegal Is That It's Bad.

Post Explaining That Pot Is Illegal Because Fat White Men Wanted Less Competition to Their Paper/Petrochemical Businesses.

Post Throwing Out The Widely Refuted And Completely Unsubstantiated 'Gateway Drug' Theory.

Long-ass Post Covering All Positive Statements Over The Last 10 Pages Because The Poster (Rightly) Didn't Want To Have To Read Through Pages and Pages of Bigotry, Prejudice and Misinformation.

Further Commie-Hippie-Liberal Incitement Posts.



There, now let's just get over it and move on with our lives.

Thank you man! I usually rage so hard when I read these stupid, stupid threads. I smoke weed almost every week and I deal a fair amount too, while I know I'm addicted to it, I also dont give a fuck because I'm still getting great grades in class, my I'm making good money both with my real job and 'otherwise', I'm still happy and as far as I can tell, I'm not a twat.

Seriously, usually the posts in these threads that are against weed just make me feel like I'm about to bust a nut.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
DiMono said:
In fact, nobody has ever died from a weed overdose
Nobody has ever died from a tobacco overdose.

Specious reasoning is fun, but there are more ways to die from both than an overdose.
Actually there are zero ways to die from pot. It doesn't cause anything that leads to death, and you can't die directly from it. Now how many people die from cigarette-induced lung cancer each year? And it's disingenuous to claim that tobacco is the worst ingredient in cigarettes. Here's a proper list [http://www.quitsmokingsupport.com/ingredients.htm]. Fun fact: ammonia, which is highly toxic to humans if taken internally, is included specifically to increase the amount of nicotine absorbed by the smoker, which in turn makes the cigarette more addictive.
 

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Don't do marijuana mkay? Marijuana is bad, mkay? Anyway,i think it isn't too bad, as long as you don't get addicted its fine with me.
 

DiMono

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Benny Blanco said:
It's not that great.

-Smoking anything is not great for your lungs.
-Pot will not magically make you an intelligent or creative person if you are not already.
-If you think you're deep & mystical when stoned, try recording your ramblings on tape or in writing and re-examining when sober again. Good chance you were just talking shite.
-Super Skunk is not the same as the natural varieties grown and there is evidence that the chemical balance present may cause or exacerbate existing mental illness in predisposed individuals, as well as having disastrous effects on developing brains with persistent heavy use.
It amuses me that all your negative points about normal weed are to the tune of "you're not as cool as you think you are when you're stoned" rather than anything directly harmful.

Now what's super skunk, is that the weed laced with cocaine I've heard about a couple times?
 

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Ok my friend smokes and sells and such. If it weren't for the police, he'd be living a pretty good life. Also I smoke 2, just maybe every fews weeks or so. And no, no binge smoking, just enough to relax and unwind.
 

Gaz6231

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DiMono said:
Now what's super skunk, is that the weed laced with cocaine I've heard about a couple times?
It's basically a strain that's been engineered to be far more potent than naturally growing weed. Reeeeeally fuckin' potent.

It's fantastic.
 

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Gaz6231 said:
Jesus christ people are dumb.
I commend your valiant attempt to keep sanity in this thread, we need more people like you!

Anyway, smoking weed is not really bad at all unless you have prior health issues. The only ill affect I have suffered from smoking is smoking to much but its easy to cut down, its not addictive at all in my opinion.
 

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DiMono said:
Mcupobob said:
Yeah its not that bad, theres a stigma about it though, just as there a stigma about smoking cigs and drinking. Lots of people who doesn't have one of three basic vices think their better. Not to mention you got those damn "stoners" giggling and arguing about and won't shut the fuck up about pot. Just like you have those bastard teens smoking cigs hanging outside of tocobell in the parking lot wearing hoodies and acting "cool".

I bet the reason alcohol was banned in the U.S during prohibition was because of those damn "flappers" and beatnecks. Image can go a long way.
I know this will sound redundant, but if it wasn't a big deal it wouldn't be a big deal. The stigma against smoking and drinking is because they are each proven to cause hundreds of thousands of deaths each year. And smoking is disgusting. The stigma against marijuana is because we're told so. No other reason, just the government saying "you shouldn't do that because it's bad." If there wasn't such a big deal made about it, there wouldn't be the mystical allure toward it, and it would be just another thing that some people do and some people don't do.
I'm sorry I didn't hear the rest of what you said over your subtly hatred.

Okay no that I got that out of my system. The stigma over smoking is because of those constant anti-smoking truth ads that have been bombarding our T.v airwaves for a good 10 years or so.

And yes I agree if everyone was just kind and courteous about everything we did there would be hell of a lot less problems in the world.
Phoenix09215 said:
Burwood123 said:
Phoenix09215 said:
The problem is that although Marijuana isn't that bad, people with still take advantage if it were legalized... now I'm not sure how you might do that just yet but believe, some idiot will do something that will cross the line... always.
You cant base your entire argument for abusing something on "just go with me on this" the only reason it is banned and this is 100% fact, is because "it makes blacks think they are equal to whites. They will rape our white women, and they will make the devils music (Jazz)" http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/ And nowadays because of a lot of bullshit propoganda (They made monkeys OD on weed bacause they forced them to inhale nothing but PURE THC for 15 minutes straight with no oxygen then said well, obviously it's dangerous.) http://www.drugtext.org/sub/marmyt1.html here is a list of facts and here http://taimapedia.org/index.php?title=Marijuana_is_bad is a list of many a medical study showing beefits and possible side affects. It isnt a harmful drug, youu can abuse anything, food, drinks oxygen. Stop the stupid drug war that nixon started and stop the killing in mexico of drug cartels..
Well I actually said that from a neutral point of view but yeah, your right. I don't think it should be illegal. I've tried it and compared to when I tried alcohol for the first time, nothing happened that got me in to trouble... But my point is that when you give people nice things, idiots always find a way to ruin it. And, I can say with total confidence that if marijuana were legalized it wouldn't take long until there were totally reasonable arguements for making it illegal again...
So your whole argument is that we shouldn't make it legal because someone might abuse it? Should we ban everything else because some people abuse it? The rest of society shouldn't have to be punished because some hypothetical idiot might go to far.