I was never a massive fan of Mario when I was a kid but I absolutely adore Galaxy and it obviously isn't blind nostalgia making me say that. I can see it becoming my favourite game of all time. My only concern is where can they take the franchise now? I'm sure Nintendo has some sort of trick up its sleeve.
Is Mario done for?
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I was going to contribute something, but then I read this and I giggled the thought right out of my head.xitel said:
Mario is relevant today as long as he still retains some elements of originality.
Super Mario Galaxy was an unbelievably good game. It is probably the only platformer to have evolved the genre since Super Mario 64 and for that we should thank Miyamoto. Very few franchises, if any, have tried to be as original this decade and successfully pulled it of.
If Miyamoto can use his genius to make another brilliant and original Mario, then more power to him and Nintendo. Otherwise, may he rest in peace.
Super Mario Galaxy was an unbelievably good game. It is probably the only platformer to have evolved the genre since Super Mario 64 and for that we should thank Miyamoto. Very few franchises, if any, have tried to be as original this decade and successfully pulled it of.
If Miyamoto can use his genius to make another brilliant and original Mario, then more power to him and Nintendo. Otherwise, may he rest in peace.
Mario is amazing and still is amazing, and I don't think that anyone who has actually played the recent main franchise games will disagree. That game proved that there is still new ground to cover in the platform genre (not that there was any doubt, but nobody was willing to take a risk on it with the recent DarkNGritty garbage that's selling so well), and it also sold a damn huge number of copies as well. After all these years, Mario is still one of the best places to look for good game design.
However, I could definitely do without the spin-offs, fun as they are, and I think that's what most people object to.
However, I could definitely do without the spin-offs, fun as they are, and I think that's what most people object to.
You think that's a platform game? Seriously? Everything I've played has been "run around a flat plane shooting a bunch of dreary, repetitive enemies with generic weaponry that automatically attaches to everything in the vicinity, thus removing any skill from gameplay whatsoever.Onmi said:
Or maybe that was Jak. Either way, things have not been looking good for original platform games recently.
in this generation of fratboys, Yes. Mario is starting to become a dead goose with ribbons and googly eyes. Kids in my school and even in my old school think Mario is shit. I on the other hand had enough balls to come out and say, "Fuck Halo 3. Super Mario Galaxy is THE Game of the Year for 2007" People looked at me like i was a lunatic. And yes, that was possibly the dirtiest most treasonous thing I said to anyone in recent memory.
Fair enough; my experience with both those franchises has been limited, but every time I have been given the opportunity to play them, I have been unimpressed. Pretty visuals, but incredibly repetitive and boring gameplay with awkward controls and camera angles. Maybe things have improved in the last year or two though. Either way, I can't admit to being an expert on either of them.Onmi said:
Mega Man is definitely a platform game because it relies a lot more on acrobatics than it does on shooting; it's only really the bosses that demand much in the way of combat skills.
As for Galaxy not being that original, yes, I heard that one of those titles did the whole "spherical worlds" thing long before Mario did; however, I have also heard that it applied only to spheres (not non-standard shapes like cubes or, well, anything at all) and that its implementation within the gameplay was significantly more limited. Furthermore, I doubt that Miyamoto watches Western-developed games for new ideas to pilfer. Any stuff that gets made here might as well be completely unknown to him, and the rest of Nintendo of Japan for that matter.
Yeah, Call of Duty 4 was really just a rehash of Doom. All the set pieces were there, a few new ideas were added, but most were just silly. The modern-day setting was the highlight of the game, in my opinion. And, of course, what console shooter would be complete without an online mode, featuring thirteen-year-olds constantly screaming in your ear and humping your corpse's face, that can be claimed as "revolutionary". Really, though, the gameplay is nothing new, and maybe it's time for Infinity Ward to try something other than "linear and highly-scripted corridor-crawling with a standard variety of contemporary weapons, facing off against a bunch of nameless, faceless goons."johnx61 said:
^^ searanox wins this thread!
Although I agree with Johnx61 as well..
SMG is a rehash of Sunshine, which is a rehash of M64..
What is a platformer? You jump from place to place, in most cases a 3rd person perspective. You have to get to get from the starting point to the ending, collecting coins, notes, figments etc. That is the god-damn standard..
What you need is variation of the standard, wheter it is carrying a water cannon, a bird in a backpack, a levitating telekinetic ball, freaky gravity or whatever..
Mario 64 set the standard for 3D platforming, easy as that. When I raided my fathers collection for Beatles to my MP3 player, one of my thought were that there are a few cliches in their music. Then it hit me that they weren't cliches when the Beatles made the songs, it was Beatles who made the frikkin' cliche.. You can't hold that against them! (By the way, here is some extra ''''''s for the cliches, I have no idea where to put them....)
It seems like many here dislikes platforming, which is fine, but don't go blaming it all on Mario, he does better than most keeping the genre fresh...
Although I agree with Johnx61 as well..
SMG is a rehash of Sunshine, which is a rehash of M64..
What is a platformer? You jump from place to place, in most cases a 3rd person perspective. You have to get to get from the starting point to the ending, collecting coins, notes, figments etc. That is the god-damn standard..
What you need is variation of the standard, wheter it is carrying a water cannon, a bird in a backpack, a levitating telekinetic ball, freaky gravity or whatever..
Mario 64 set the standard for 3D platforming, easy as that. When I raided my fathers collection for Beatles to my MP3 player, one of my thought were that there are a few cliches in their music. Then it hit me that they weren't cliches when the Beatles made the songs, it was Beatles who made the frikkin' cliche.. You can't hold that against them! (By the way, here is some extra ''''''s for the cliches, I have no idea where to put them....)
It seems like many here dislikes platforming, which is fine, but don't go blaming it all on Mario, he does better than most keeping the genre fresh...
First off, I said the combination of 73 different reviewers.PureChaos said:
This is 73 different people from different companies across the globe who measure game quality for a living. Their *average* score was 97 out of 100. That's a fairly substantial market survey, wouldn't you say?
Also, I left high school ages ago, and grew out of the "say everything sucks it makes you cool" mentality very shortly thereafter. There's a good reason why teenagers don't get to vote, just as a for instance. Forgive me for pointing out that their "reviews" are hardly likely to be objective.
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ah, i see. i misunderstood. going by the average score of 73 reviewer, yes, i agree is probably more accurate than high schooler but if 73 reviewers gave a game called Princess Peach's Pony Training School 97% and some high schoolers said it was shit, i would probably agree with the high schooler.tiredinnuendo said:
not sure about that. i was always one where if i thought something was great, i say it's great regardless of what others think. yes, peer pressure can make a lot of teens go against their real opinion through fear of being outcast but get them to give their opinion where their friends can't hear and you'll get their real opinion.
Mario has been here for 20 years and he will be here weather we like it or not like the mega man titles that Grimm91 is saying. but the thing is all they need to do is come with something that brought out the joy that we all had in the good SNES days and Mario 64 or to a lesser extent Mario sunshine. Also another thing that would bring the series back to life is to have actuall human enteraction with Mario and Peach. or give him that damn cake that was promised in mario 64. *just to show you the cake is still a lie* also i know that they are trying to go with the wii's talent in making you look like a retard by flalling your arms around like morons and when sunshine was around it was the water gun. they need to stop with gimmicks in Mario games. that is the only way to TRULY save the franchise.