I'm going to leave a quote from Sam Harris, a transcript of his post-Trump election podcast:
I am genuinely in fear of this generation of young adults.
Is my generation really the bad generation?
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"A minority of young people said mean things about people, so they're all going to vote for a man who could reverse LGBT and non-Christain rights. Because if not, they might be subjected to the horror of non-binary pronouns, warnings they could easily ignore, and students exercising their freedom of speech in ways they don't like." I think that's more or less what that guy said, did I miss anything?KingsGambit said:
Yeah, WE'RE the bad generation. And stereotyping is bad, but if it's a stereotype of a group of people you don't respect then stereotyping them is a-ok. Fuck, that quote stereotypes people who voted FOR Trump. Implying that all of them only did it because of people complaining on the internet about racism? I hate Trump and even I would never assume that the people who voted for him were that petty. That THAT is the trench that they were willing to die in? Also you seem to be ignoring that Trump didn't get that many votes. He lost the popular vote and he didn't get that many more votes than previous Republican presidential nominees. He didn't win because people voted for him, he won because a few million people DIDN'T vote for Hillary. Plus there was that thing where a lot of swing states where the vote was decided by a difference of 20,000 had upwards of 100,000 people turned away by voter I.D. laws.
And I hope the people who voted for Trump because they were against safe spaces saved the receipt for their ballot.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/799974635274194947
And you're afraid of young adults because they want to talk about racism and sexism and a severe minority take it too far? And please tell me you're not afraid of them because of non-gendered pronouns.
There are literally stone tablets from civilizations thousands of years old that contain old people ranting about how the next generation is worthless and will be the end of mankind.
I'm pretty sure every generation that has ever existed has believed the one that's coming after them is terrible, and that the human race is doomed. Yet here we are, doing our thing.
It's no different now. All too often "horrible" is just a code for "different"
Even the fact that there are millenials who agree with the badmouthing is nothing new. Every generation has a few who are unduly reverent of those that came before and overly critical of their own peers. Hell, the baby boomers lionized their parent's generation to an almost superhuman level, calling them the "greatest generation" and ascribing an undeserved level of nobility and excellence to them. The "greatest generation" were human, as were the boomers, the gen xers, and now us.
There are any number of factors in play at the moment that have some degree of chance of wiping out the human race. The inherent worthlessness of the millennial generation is not one of them
I'm pretty sure every generation that has ever existed has believed the one that's coming after them is terrible, and that the human race is doomed. Yet here we are, doing our thing.
It's no different now. All too often "horrible" is just a code for "different"
Even the fact that there are millenials who agree with the badmouthing is nothing new. Every generation has a few who are unduly reverent of those that came before and overly critical of their own peers. Hell, the baby boomers lionized their parent's generation to an almost superhuman level, calling them the "greatest generation" and ascribing an undeserved level of nobility and excellence to them. The "greatest generation" were human, as were the boomers, the gen xers, and now us.
There are any number of factors in play at the moment that have some degree of chance of wiping out the human race. The inherent worthlessness of the millennial generation is not one of them
Well sure, but hitler was part of their generation (maybe... maybe he was the generation before, but regardless the majority of nazis were part of the same generation)... so, I mean, they can't take credit for the good while washing their hands of the bad. XD Their generation gave us nazis and subsequently beat them. mixed bag, bruhDarklordKyo said:
Not to mention the whole Space Race fiasco that led to Neil Armstrong's famous lunar landing.balladbird said:
Nah, Millenials are fine.
If there's one generation that everyone can agree was absolutely awful, it's the Baby Boomers. They ruined the economy through debt, ruined the environment through over-dependence on fossil fuels, which in turn turned the Middle East into the powder keg it is today, they also deported as much manual labor as possible to line their pockets with sweet, sweet dosh. They took full advantage of the work benefits of the day, but ended up gutting unions and benefits for everyone that comes after them. While most of them opposed the War in Nam (all three Boomer American presidents were draft dodgers for Christ's sake), they had no problem sending young men and women die for their own wars when came time to rule. They created false expectations for what life should be like, and are now forking the bill to the following generations. Truly the worst of the worst.
Now pay for their retirement, you ingrate shits!
If there's one generation that everyone can agree was absolutely awful, it's the Baby Boomers. They ruined the economy through debt, ruined the environment through over-dependence on fossil fuels, which in turn turned the Middle East into the powder keg it is today, they also deported as much manual labor as possible to line their pockets with sweet, sweet dosh. They took full advantage of the work benefits of the day, but ended up gutting unions and benefits for everyone that comes after them. While most of them opposed the War in Nam (all three Boomer American presidents were draft dodgers for Christ's sake), they had no problem sending young men and women die for their own wars when came time to rule. They created false expectations for what life should be like, and are now forking the bill to the following generations. Truly the worst of the worst.
Now pay for their retirement, you ingrate shits!
Well let's see I'm Irish so between my grandparents and parents' generations there was a civil war (which we politely call the troubles), a massive housing and banking crisis that was "solved" by selling out the security of our elderly and the future of our young, gutting public services. I live in a town of 23000 people with 2 on duty Garda? at any one time. Kept the same party in charge for almost the entirety of our existence as a state despite well known corruption among them. Implemented water charges for a water supply that's largely undrinkable across the country. Paying 86million to "consultants" to come up with this scheme. Let Apple skip out on 16bn in taxes and when called on it took Apples side. Let google away with paying 0.2% corporation tax in 2015 and Starbucks pay about ?4,500 total in 2014. And haven't yet hung Denis O'Brien from the fucking spire for his crimes against this country. So yeah, maybe my generation is worse but we'll have to wait and see as it stands we haven't had the same opportunities to skull fuck the country the way previous ones have.
I think the perspective of someone from a prior generation may help, and as a member of Generation-X, I can provide. Overall? Nah, you're all fine. I like you youngsters more than the baby-boomers. Those buggers have done a lot messed up stuff and screwed most of us over.
On the other hand, however, you ARE the generation responsible for creating hipsters and motherf@!#$@#g deconstructed motherf@#$@#$g food & coffee. THAT affront to cuisine and my beloved coffee is almost unforgivable.
On the other hand, however, you ARE the generation responsible for creating hipsters and motherf@!#$@#g deconstructed motherf@#$@#$g food & coffee. THAT affront to cuisine and my beloved coffee is almost unforgivable.
Meh, you've got lazy, whiny people with high rates of unemployment due to factors outside their control and who think they know better than everyone on the one hand, and you've got pro-active, hardworking people who were pro-actively rioting and burning things in the streets and being casually racist on the other hand (but with a better sense of community). Pick your evil.
Sure, but again, most of the funding and ambition behind the space race was fueled by paranoia and the desire of two superpowers to be the first to have the ability to destroy their hated adversary before their adversary could destroy them. The forebears of the babyboomers accomplished great things, so did the boomers, the gen x-ers, and as will we. It's nothing but romanticism to pretend that the "greatest generation" accomplished its great things in the name of nobility or through being more morally forthright than we who came after.DarklordKyo said:
Humans have a long history of accidentally creating wonderful things while endeavoring to create terrible things, and even occasionally creating wonderful things on purpose. As a species we're flawed and a tad self destructive, but we ain't as shabby as all that, deep down.
Ha ha! I almost spat my coffee!Baffle2 said:
Funnily enough I went to see Linkin Park in their heyday preparing to be underwhelmed by generic angst-ridden sports metal (I went to see their support band), but they turned out to be really, really good live. They shut me the hell up.
Millenials seem fine to me. Frankly they're willing to work longer hours, don't seem to mind that wages are being blown out of the water by living costs, and ballooning student debt guaranteeing they'll take any award rate I offer them.
Millenials are an employer's wetdream.
Hence why they receive so much flak. Heaven forbid if they realize they're underpaid and overworked. So we need to set the narrative straight off the bat.
Allow me to kick it off; "Millenials are whiny, lazy, and stupid. Worthless. Spoiled. Back in my day I had to walk 50 kilometers through the desert just to go to school..." That way... if I get enough of the population believing that, screaming that, we can pretend to be moderates by ssying; "But some of them are somewhat passable." Best way to allay higher minimum award wages is to make people question whether they deserve it. You know... rather than matching it to inflation and cost of living...
Can't let millenials own a greater share of industry. They might change it so much that I might not have perpetual job security (not that I work or even need to... but you get the gist).
Just as a reference, according to a completely arbitrary measure I'm early Gen Y. We're the 'near millenials', having reached young adulthood brfore the millenium, and effectively having spent early childhood never knowing the internet, though Gen Y ... includes some millenials.
Hrm. I feel like this generation nonsense is like believing in astrology.
Millenials are an employer's wetdream.
Hence why they receive so much flak. Heaven forbid if they realize they're underpaid and overworked. So we need to set the narrative straight off the bat.
Allow me to kick it off; "Millenials are whiny, lazy, and stupid. Worthless. Spoiled. Back in my day I had to walk 50 kilometers through the desert just to go to school..." That way... if I get enough of the population believing that, screaming that, we can pretend to be moderates by ssying; "But some of them are somewhat passable." Best way to allay higher minimum award wages is to make people question whether they deserve it. You know... rather than matching it to inflation and cost of living...
Can't let millenials own a greater share of industry. They might change it so much that I might not have perpetual job security (not that I work or even need to... but you get the gist).
Just as a reference, according to a completely arbitrary measure I'm early Gen Y. We're the 'near millenials', having reached young adulthood brfore the millenium, and effectively having spent early childhood never knowing the internet, though Gen Y ... includes some millenials.
Hrm. I feel like this generation nonsense is like believing in astrology.
Considering the ammount of people in the older generations who approved of segregation, conversion therapy, pre-emptive warfare and the forced domestication of women, i couldn't care less for their approval. If anything the prospect of it sickens me. When i'm old, i will be proud of my grandchildren if i find their views too progressive for my, by then, outdated comprehension of society
Pretty sure it's a cultural thing. I used to think that, too, when I was co-running a business with some friends. We were operating a bar. In truth I merely fronted some money and were happy just doing supplies and organising the talent. I was practically the same age as the staff at the bar barring one old hand who was solid as a rock when I need someone. A bit older than I am now (and keep in mind this was awhile ago, given a discussion about generations I figure it's important to throw that out there) ... but then I realized he was the only employee out of all of them that kept bugging me for more hours.RaikuFA said:
I didn't mind because, as I said, solid as rock. Most of the employees my age didn't care about only getting 15-20 hours a week. They'd kind of ***** and moan a bit if I rang them up and told them I needed them ... but inevitably they'd come in anyway.
Most millenials seem content on just getting enough to survive and afford some cheap trinkets and baubles. Pay rent, food, bills, and a little pocket change. But with that Gen Xer, he would serendipitously be near me whenever I was sorting out the roster with a tactical; "Hey, just letting you know I've already restocked the Asahi. I made a list of what we're down on in stores."
It actually took me awhile to realise years later that he was pulling the same shit I would have to score more hours.
Millenials don't seem to be as cunning as GenXers and early Gen Ys.
Personally I chalk it up to the cost of goods. Rent, bills, food, all gone up since I was a kid. But consumer goods, like mass produced clothes from India, shoes, etc ... they haven't gone down, but by wage increase they seem to be cheaper. So all of us who had a part time job in the 90s when you were 13 after school ... all of us got ripped off by the Baby Boomers at work ... but the impetus to work was always there because what we wanted to buy was more expensive by comparison to what meagre pittance was thrown at us.
But once again, I think this is more a culture-specific thing. In Australia, where I spent most of my childhood growing up, we were still recovering from the Black Monday/Tuesday market crash (depending on which hemisphere you were in), and then you had the Asian financial crisis in 1997. So basically the entire time I was 4 to 18 we were either in full blown depression, recession, recovery, or near-recession.
Plus, you know ... direct offspring of baby boomers. Greedy, lazy, responsibility dodgers...
The sad thing is that Australia had a pretty horrible 80s and 90s. Tragic and largely inavoidable. It was Gen Xers and Gen Y who basically rebuilt the economy. Statistically likelier to work longer hours, for less wage-to-living cost rates, and study for longer to achieve a decent job with no job security. Still get called 'lazy' by those Baby Boomer bums.
I silently tip my hat to Gen Y and millenials. But then again I reserve the right to repeat the sins of my parents and underpay them.
as an unwilling participant of this generation we have some good some bad. here is the bad
annoyingly most of those fools didn't vote.
As far as good goes we at least work hard and do our fair share. Haven't seen many good clips of my generation. Although wouldn't mind seeing some anyway.
annoyingly most of those fools didn't vote.
As far as good goes we at least work hard and do our fair share. Haven't seen many good clips of my generation. Although wouldn't mind seeing some anyway.