Is the death penalty ever justified?

[G1eet]

But then there's always the problem, what if they're wrongly convicted... I honestly think they should make the punishment fit the crime, both physically and emotionally.

Agreed. I've never been a huge fan of Hammurabian laws, but it seems fitting that someone who has killed should be killed.

Because I don't think the taxpayers should pay for someone to be well fed, warm, and secure for the rest of his life just for killing a few people. Homeless people die every day on the street.

Alright. Let's imagine a situation then.

3 men. Matthew is Mark's father. Luke is someone else.

One day, Luke kills Mark for some reason. The next day, Matthew kills Luke, in revenge. Does Matthew deserve the death penalty?

This is a ridiculously black and white situation, and there would be countless factors taken into consideration in court, BUT it fits your 'someone who has killed should be killed' theory. So what do you think?

Also, if prisons are so great, why don't I want to go there?

1) Something I didn't specify in my original post. I believe that those who have killed should be killed, but first time offenders probably would not fall into my criteria. I speak of serial killers/rapists, etc. So Matthew should get thirty years to life.

2) Because you already have a secure housing situation. People commit petty crimes in the winter just to go indoors for a while, have somewhere safe to sleep.

 

[Sonicron]

Rapists need an unconditional life sentence (no parole under any circumstances), and serial and mass murderers require capital punishment. Berate me for misguided notions if you must, but in cases like that carrying out the sentence is not murder, but justice.

-EDIT- To clarify, I don't claim that this is the only way, I am merely voicing my personal opinion. As much as that opinion may disgust you.

 

[Antlers]

If nothing else i think from the purely financial point of view we need to do something about the prisoners. Be it killing them or deporting or something else. My personal favourite solution is killing them and harvesting their organs. Give the scum some uses and save some lives to counter those that they have taken.

What if they donated their organs?

Also, I truly hope you never become Prime Minister.

 

[Tempest Fennac]

If people commit crimes to get shelter, it sounds as though doing something about homelessness would be more helpful then anything (admittedly, if prisons have programs for getting qualifications for inmates, that would help if there's jobs and housing available).

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

I'm against the death penalty, in effectively all situations. As Ghandi said "An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind". In my eyes, if you kill a murderer, you're not a great deal better yourself.

 

[Elivercury]

I'm curious as to how people keep calling death the easy way out. It is natural instinct to preserve your own life at more or less all costs. Also if you had to choose between death or life imprisonment which would you choose? I know which i'd go for. And it certainly isn't visiting the big guy in the sky.

Also the argument of "Well if prison is so nice why don't i want to go there?". The answer is because you have prospects. It's the same reason why you don't feel the need to go attack someone or rob a store (i hope) even if there was no punishment. These people have nothing to lose, and in the case of a homeless person they actually have something to gain. I mean, a winter in prison or a winter you may potentially die on the streets? It's a no-brainer really.

I also think the system of rehabilitation is also somewhat faulty. As you get people so conditioned to living in a certain way that they can't go back to normal society. Thus they reoffend because they've little other options, as they can't function outside of prison.

I also think they should bring back chain gangs. Prisons have gotten too comfortable.

 

[DrDeath3191]

If there is no other way to secure a person, and they have commited a very serious crime, then the death penalty is justified.

 

[Antlers]

I'm against the death penalty, in effectively all situations. As Ghandi said "An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind". In my eyes, if you kill a murderer, you're not a great deal better yourself.

I just had to quote you and say THANK YOU.

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

I'm for death penalty for rapists and child molesters... sometimes a percieved murder is however more than that... and I think we should have more competent psychologists and other such professionals involved in the courts and justice system in general...


also i am for televised gladiator fights... where you pit a group of death row convicts against eachother in a bloody fight to the death... the winner gets another last meal of hist/her choice and gets to fight in round 2... if someone fights and lives through 3 successive rounds they are recruited into the armed forces in a special battallion formed out of criminals to act as the front liners of the front liners... if they survive 5 years there they are considered rehabilitated and put into a communal living society formed to be both a constructive and supportive environment for a reformed criminal... there they will work and live in an organized and peaceful community till they die...

of course you can also install killswitches in the criminal soldiers heads that release a strong neurotoxin directly into their brains at the issuance of a specific codeword/frequency...


but that's going into more detail than nessecary... tired /end ramblings

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

I'm against the death penalty, in effectively all situations. As Ghandi said "An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind". In my eyes, if you kill a murderer, you're not a great deal better yourself.

I just had to quote you and say THANK YOU.

Thank you too. It's very gratifying.

 

[oppp7]

for ur hypothetical sit, yes, matthew should get the dp bc he didnt let the law decide legaly n just killed some one. last i checked, vigilantes were illegal.

OK... But the only real difference in the situation is that in one case, a person does the murdering. In the other case the government does. I'm extremely against vigilante justice also, but I think saying 'well... it's the law' is a bit weak. Some places the death penalty is the law, and I think i've made it pretty damn clear that I don't agree with it. So do you have any more justification?

there is a dif between the govt executing some1 n a vigilante executing some1. the govt tends to b more organized n fair. meanwhile the vigilante is only out for revenge, instead of using dp as a deterrent. the way i c it, if killin a few moraless ppl prevent innocents from dying, then im ok with it.

 

[Antlers]

I'm for death penalty for rapists and child molesters... sometimes a percieved murder is however more than that... and I think we should have more competent psychologists and other such professionals involved in the courts and justice system in general...

What? I don't understand if you're saying murder is better or worse.

also i am for televised gladiator fights... where you pit a group of death row convicts against eachother in a bloody fight to the death... the winner gets another last meal of hist/her choice and gets to fight in round 2... if someone fights and lives through 3 successive rounds they are recruited into the armed forces in a special battallion formed out of criminals to act as the front liners of the front liners... if they survive 5 years there they are considered rehabilitated and put into a communal living society formed to be both a constructive and supportive environment for a reformed criminal... there they will work and live in an organized and peaceful community till they die...

I must assume you're pisstaking...

 

[Elivercury]

If nothing else i think from the purely financial point of view we need to do something about the prisoners. Be it killing them or deporting or something else. My personal favourite solution is killing them and harvesting their organs. Give the scum some uses and save some lives to counter those that they have taken.

What if they donated their organs?

Also, I truly hope you never become Prime Minister.

It's pretty unlikely don't worry.

And what if they did? We're taking them regardless.

Although as horrible as it sounds, it would actually solve pretty much all the problems. NHS needs more funding and more organs. Killing off the prisoners would reduce the funding required there and supply said organs. Besides, if we are going to kill them then why bother wasting the organs? Given we've killed the person in a controlled manner, pretty much every single organ should be usable (assuming it's a match). Thus the guy who killed a few people could end up saving as many as perhaps half a dozen lives.

 

[Macgyvercas]

I think the death penalty should apply for mass muder and serial rape. Of the five legal methods in the United States (Hanging, Leathal Injection, Electric Chair, Gas Chamber, Firing Squad), they should use firing squad.

 

[Antlers]

And what if they did? We're taking them regardless.

Although as horrible as it sounds, it would actually solve pretty much all the problems. NHS needs more funding and more organs. Killing off the prisoners would reduce the funding required there and supply said organs. Besides, if we are going to kill them then why bother wasting the organs? Given we've killed the person in a controlled manner, pretty much every single organ should be usable (assuming it's a match). Thus the guy who killed a few people could end up saving as many as perhaps half a dozen lives.

Solve all the problems?! Are you kidding me?!

You're KILLING OFF the prisoners to solve all the problems.

Hey I know, let's get the concentration camps back. They'd get everything under control again.

Christ.

 

[oppp7]

I'm against the death penalty, in effectively all situations. As Ghandi said "An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind". In my eyes, if you kill a murderer, you're not a great deal better yourself.

im a utilitarian, to the extent that i c ppl as a resource to a degree. as such, the over population in the world is a huge issue with me, n i dont c much of a problem with killing a few ppl that dont contribute to society. eye for n eye is a retarded concept bc in ur rush to kill to make urself "feel better," uve made others that dont like killing feel worse.

overall, i wish i could b against the dp, but i dont c that as bein intelligent. to me, executions are necessary evils, such as death n work (hm, ppl r gonna misinterpret that...).

 

[Antlers]

I'm against the death penalty, in effectively all situations. As Ghandi said "An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind". In my eyes, if you kill a murderer, you're not a great deal better yourself.

im a utilitarian, to the extent that i c ppl as a resource to a degree. as such, the over population in the world is a huge issue with me, n i dont c much of a problem with killing a few ppl that dont contribute to society. eye for n eye is a retarded concept bc in ur rush to kill to make urself "feel better," uve made others that dont like killing feel worse.

overall, i wish i could b against the dp, but i dont c that as bein intelligent. to me, executions are necessary evils, such as death n work (hm, ppl r gonna misinterpret that...).

Yeah I'm kind of done talking to you now...

 

[oppp7]

I think the death penalty should apply for mass muder and serial rape. Of the five legal methods in the United States (Hanging, Leathal Injection, Electric Chair, Gas Chamber, Firing Squad), they should use firing squad.

whichever's the quickest n most painless. we dont want anything 2 serious on our heads if they were innocent...

 

[oppp7]

I'm against the death penalty, in effectively all situations. As Ghandi said "An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind". In my eyes, if you kill a murderer, you're not a great deal better yourself.

im a utilitarian, to the extent that i c ppl as a resource to a degree. as such, the over population in the world is a huge issue with me, n i dont c much of a problem with killing a few ppl that dont contribute to society. eye for n eye is a retarded concept bc in ur rush to kill to make urself "feel better," uve made others that dont like killing feel worse.

overall, i wish i could b against the dp, but i dont c that as bein intelligent. to me, executions are necessary evils, such as death n work (hm, ppl r gonna misinterpret that...).

Yeah I'm kind of done talking to you now...

Why? I seemed to have some good points...