Is the death penalty ever justified?

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oppp7

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Wow, this forum is polarized between death penalty is wrong on all accounts and people that want to torture for revenge. Is anyone else just for the death penalty in extreme cases?
 

Smudge91

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No because a) to me the death penalty is the easiest way out, but i'm mean and would condone nastier punishments for people who were indubitably guilty for the worst crimes.
b) if you find out they were infact innocent and you killed them last week well thats a bit of a irreversable mistake.
 

mr-fix_it

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my opinion is (yes i have one to) is that death penalty is a act of revenge and the state shoud not do revenge the state do justice.
 

spuddyt

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The death penalty can be justified. However, it cannot be used, because that power WILL be abused by the state.
 

Gaderael

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Rotting in jail with no chance of parole or ever seeing the light of day again is a much more fitting punishment for murder than the death penalty, simply because, if the Atheists are right, there's nothing after, so they feel no torment, and there's no guarantee the numerous religions around the world are right, so we have no idea what we are sending these people two after we kill them.

They should be made to suffer and learn the error of their ways in this life.

Not to mention, there's no one person on this earth who should have the power of life and death over others.
 

Jedoro

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For the first murder, the jury should decide between death or rehab. After the first one, it's automatically death.

Of course, my version of the death penalty isn't wait several years and let them appeal. My version is once found guilty, they're immediately taken to an execution chamber in the courthouse and a cop, soldier, or executioner puts a few bullets into their chest.

I just want 'em out of society so they can't murder people anymore.
 

Lynx

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No. To me, it's hypocrisy in its purest form.

Go ahead and kill the f*ckers if you want -
but don't you dare try and justify it. The blood is on your hands now.
 

Ultrasnail

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if you can justify it then why not kill someone for being bad. it stops them from reafending, saves resources.

if people complain when not just use it for extremely rare circumstances.

basicly i think bad people should die.
 

A random person

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Wild Cat said:
No. To me, it's hypocrisy.
"You took someone's life, and because of how valuable life is we'll take yours."
That seems to be the attitude of a good bit of death penalty supporters and yes, it's hypocrisy to think life is valuable and to execute people.
 

cainx10a

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So, ask this to yourself, would you want the person who killed a close friend, a loved one, or just someone you knew, to walk out free? Someone like this [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Dale_Green#Pfc._Steven_Dale_Green], to regain their freedom or you know, stay in jail backed by the tax money you are so generously offering to the government? To enjoy breathing while the dead is/are well, dead?

Well, look like I answered a question with questions. > . <
 

Jedoro

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stinkychops said:
Jedoro said:
For the first murder, the jury should decide between death or rehab. After the first one, it's automatically death.

Of course, my version of the death penalty isn't wait several years and let them appeal. My version is once found guilty, they're immediately taken to an execution chamber in the courthouse and a cop, soldier, or executioner puts a few bullets into their chest.

I just want 'em out of society so they can't murder people anymore.
Do you have any idea the number of people who are let go from death row twenty years after their sentance because it is PROVEN they are innocent?
Yup, which calls for a drastic improvement in the justice system prior to trial, but the death penalty is the topic here.
 

Mikkaddo

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Personally I believe entirely in the idea of death penalty. Frankly it is murder. But what better way to truly prove karma then take someone who's committed a truly heinous crime and remove them entirely. If we keep them alive, what have we taught them? "we'll give you a free bed and free meals for the REST of your LIFE because you SLAUGHTERED innocents" children or not, heinous crime deserves heinous punishment.

Sure you can say prison is not a happy place, and is miserable even for the lightest sentence, but think of it like this. To live in an apartment in Baton Rouge, is around 4-8 HUNDRED dollars a month before you talk about utilities. That adds around another 2-5 hundred. Then there's food, I'll be cheap and assume a regular (non whole foods deal) and say around 3 hundred per month. That's assuming one person . . . so at the very best, per month that's over 1000 EASY that's not counting internet, monthly subscriptions to cable, car note, gas money or even resturants. Where as if you end up in prison, and are put in for life since death sentence is considered "too harsh" you're now miserable, and put into a military style life surrounded by gangs, but you pay for NOTHING, have NO worries about if there will be food, NO worries about if you go "home" the water won't work, NO reason to think you'll suddenly not be able to "AFFORD" your life. Your life is controlled for you. That's pretty cushy compared to death.
 

SomeBritishDude

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Honestly I can't say it is. Why would anything give anyone the right to take a life?

Anyway, the death penalty doesn't work and can lead to terrible guilt. If new evidence arises that shows someone didn't comit whatever they where believed to have then you can do something about it, you can let them walk free. With the death penalty whats done is done, and there's nothing that will make it right.

A lot of people seem to believe that a life time in jail is being let off lightly. I can safely say it's anything but. Poridge is not a good indicator.
 

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DoomyMcDoom said:
I will say I find you to be a most fascinating conversationalist as you hold your end up without resulting to unneeded inflamation as a result of a lack of communication skill.
on this, I commend you. however, i must sleep. feel free to respond, but know my response may be a few hours in coming.
Um... I can't work out if that's a compliment or insult. Mainly due to the 'lack of communication skill' part.

infinisynth said:
Have a daughter and let some guy rape her and get back with me.
Kindly calm yourself and don't automatically assume I don't have a valid standpoint on this. Incidentally, if I had a daughter I'd be pretty outraged if someone beat her up also.

space_oddity said:
And before some Feminazi quotes me saying "Imagine some guy raping you blah blah*, im going to cut you off here and say fuck off. I would rather be raped than murdered or tortured.
This.

A random person said:
With you on the rehabilitation thing. The people who go to jail are mostly rather impulsive and probably won't be deterred that strongly, and it would be better to rehabilitate them than to keep them locked up. That, and the whole golden rule thing I secularly believe in. Yeah, I know, I'm a softy.

As for that other point you were dying to bring up, I'll hazard a guess and say it's that last sentence you didn't quote saying it's not about the deterrence, it's about making him pay. I couldn't disagree more: deterrence is the only valid argument for the death penalty other than saving money. Taking a murderer's life because you believe in the value of human life is amazingly stupid in my eyes. And this isn't mentioning how punishment should never be "making them pay."

Feel free to correct me via PM if that wasn't the point you wanted to mention. I don't flame people, and we're probably on the same page anyways.
I'm slightly confused... The point I was going to bring up was kind of the hypocrisy in getting outraged that someone was murdered and deciding the solution was to murder someone. I don't think I could've been more abundantly clear about my standpoint on revenge (rehabilitation all the way). I don't agree that deterrance is a valid argument, but it's better than 'making them pay' obviously.

But... I think we agree anyway.

As for the rest of the one-line 'hang the bastards!' comments... You're not really worthy of discussion if you can't be arsed putting down any reasoning.