Is the ESRB useless?

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muckinscavitch

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Yeah, it is probably mainly a legal thing. But also, parents need to realize that these rating are their for a very good reason. No child should be exposed to vulgar language, nudity or excessive blood and gore.

Secondly, the people who are 18+ who buy these games and play online do not enjoy a 12 year old yelling and screaming into the microphone about every little death or kill. That is my MAIN reason these ratings should be fully used and enforced.
 

Matu Flp Krwfe

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Haydyn said:
Here's an idea: If parents want to protect their children, then why don't they actually experience the games themselves, or maybe do some in depth research on the game?
Because the words in the little white box next to the big black letter on the cover of the game remove the need for parents to take time out of their normally productive lives to fuck around with their children's play things.
 

Twilightruler

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The ESRB is nothing more than the way for game developers to get past the legal border. Will putting an M rating on a game stop a 12 year old little boy's mom from buying it for him? Hell no, how do you think you hear little kids on xbox live for games like gears of war and halo 3? The ESRB is just so that game developers can say "Hey, we said there's violence in it" when some kid turns into a demented psychopath (conveniently enough) after playing prototype...Is there any evidence that Prototype led to that? No, but the ESRB protects the company from all the ignorant thickheads who think it did.
 

Matu Flp Krwfe

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Twilightruler said:
The ESRB is nothing more than the way for game developers to get past the legal border.
Or it could just be a system to inform the consumer about the type of product that they are about to purchase, much like a spec diagram on a pair of headphones.

Then again, that would be a series of paranoid delusions, now would it?
 

yanals7

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yes useless my little he is 12 brother walked into fry's electronics bought oblivion and halo 2 both rated M games and nobldy cared and oblivion looked like a kids rpg without mods
 

Kuchinawa212

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It not useless. It keeps all the kids from getting Halo 3 and Gears of War
Sure they still get hands on it, but I have to say there has to be a good chunk that has not because the ESRB says it's M
also, I agree it's really only as effective if you pay attention to them. So if parents don't care then it's usless
 

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Oh ho! A fellow Pivot user! Any user of Pivot is a friend of mine!

As for this, no I don't think the ESRB is useless, it's better to have it than no rating at all. Granted, it's not very well regulated and implicated in certain games (Some games are questionably T and M rated really), but at least it's something to keep the parents from complaining, no matter how useless it actually is. It's as effective as movie ratings and such, it's only there to keep parents informed. At least, that's what they're supposed to do.
 

Canadamus Prime

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Internet Kraken said:
I did a report on this once. The ESRB is an effective rating system, however the main problem is that many people don't use it. They either don't understand it or they just ignore it.

It's only useful for the people that use it. So the solution to the problem of young children playing inappropriate games is to encourage more parents to pay attention to it.
I couldn't have put it better myself. It's only useful if people are willing to make use of the information the ESRB provide.
 

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DaMan1500 said:
What's not okay is the ESRB trying to prohibit people from buying certain games, which is where most of the gamer frustration comes from.
The ESRB is a non-profit extension of the ESA, which is the gaming lobby group in this government. At no point does the ESRB prohibit people from buying certain games. Regulations have been put into place so that games that are too graphic for certain audiences and thus receive an M-rating cannot be purchased by audiences that are not yet 18. The same goes for movie ratings, as many have pointed out in this thread, not allowing those under 18 into R-rated films.

The ESRB is not and cannot be an end-all, be-all perfect system. The most gruesome, violent, naughty, etc. bits of a game are brought before the ESRB, not the entire game. They make their ratings off of only a small portion of the whole. They only suggest audiences because they don't have any other power than that of suggestion. Many of the anti-gaming crusaders, such as Hilary Clinton and Jack Thompson, have moved toward more rash actions, trying to force the ESRB to play through EVERY cut scene and EVERY bit of content in EVERY game (Think about how many hours of content games like, say, Fable, have, then add on extra hours to play through every single different combination of moral paths you can take). They also wanted to completely remove the ESRB in general in favor of an easier to understand system of Red, Yellow, and Green stickers on the box as labeling.

The moral of my story here is this: The ESRB is not meant to tell you what you can and cannot buy, but rather warn the consumer of the products features and suggest an audience that it would be suitable for. Whatever happens after that is not their responsibility. Places post signs explaining the ratings (because T for Teen and M for Mature are obviously that hard to understand), but that's about the end of it.
 

Lord Thodin

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I will henceforth admit that i did not read the OPs initial post, or any of my fellow escapees. I am answering the question posed by the title of the thread. YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES ! Let go of the Ctrl+v there. The ESRB does nothing but satisfy the needs of some angry mothers who accidently let her kick some teeth in GTA 3.

However it does offer the game industry a little lee way from lawsuits. No one can sue a game for showing severed heads if a giant M is on cover. Its not the game companies fault at that point.
 

Assassin Xaero

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What I never understood... why the hell is Halo rated M? Seriously... Tony Hawk had worse language in it and Jet Force Gemini was WAY more violent and gory... I'm starting to think it was a selling point... and, yeah... they actually did a study and M rated games sell better... or, that was what I read somewhere...
 

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WanderFreak said:
They're as effective as the crazy priest on the street corner. You can chose to listen to him, or not, but either way you can't ignore him. Because if you do, he will come at you. And he smells like urine and failure.

What I'm trying to say is, yes, it is useless in its current form. From my personal perspective, that is. Ultimately it's the lesser of two evils. Compare it to something like the MPAA, I'll take the relatively harmless ESRB any day.
Thats what you were gettin at? I thought you were implying the ESRB smells like Urine and failure. Which is spot on by the by.
 

Spektre41

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The ESRB is, in my opinion, at the right place. It's not a rigid enforcement, it's there to inform people of what content is in the the game their kids are playing. Sadly, everyone needs something to blame, and the one trying to actively help but not hand the solution on a goddamned platter is usually the one martyred.
 

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Matu Flp Krwfe said:
ESRB is a means to guage content, not police the play habits of children. That is the job of the parents.
I couldn't agree more. I'm tired of young, screaming kids playing online games that they aren't old enough to handle. But unfortunately, most parents could care a less about what their children do, as long as it keeps them quite for any period of time.
 

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Captain Obvious says: ratings are only as effective as the parents. Comprehensive research on the game is even better, of course.

I do find the M-rating a bit high, though. At least in my experience, plenty of kids far younger than 17 could play them without really being damaged. The focus should really be more on the "mature" part than the age part.
 

Jerich0

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the ESRB is useful, effective, and perfectly legitimate.

none of those adjectives make any difference at all, however, owing to one fact: ignorant parents and news agencies never take the board's ratings (and qualifications for them) into account.

anyone remember fox's coverage of mass effect?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0kdm7fg804

i mean, come on!
 

Twilightruler

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Matu Flp Krwfe said:
Twilightruler said:
The ESRB is nothing more than the way for game developers to get past the legal border.
Or it could just be a system to inform the consumer about the type of product that they are about to purchase, much like a spec diagram on a pair of headphones.

Then again, that would be a series of paranoid delusions, now would it?
Nobody takes the ESRB seriously, I can't tell you how many games I've bought without even looking at that stupid rating. The E, T, or M rating are never brought up or pointed out. Very few game reviews actually mention, "Awesome gameplay, great graphics, but it's rated M so screw you if you can't buy it" because people who review games know that nobody gives a crap because anybody can essentially buy it if they want to. Which is why you will always hear 12 year olds playing left 4 dead on steam or arguing with their parents because its past their bed time over xbox live. Maybe the original intention was to be informative but it's only actual use nowadays is in court.
 

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Its not worth it at all. Seriously, when I talk to my 8 year old neighbor and he tells me that he's been playing games like Gears 2 and Halo, I know that the ESRB isn't working. What I think they should do is to publicize what the game has in it more than just slapping a meaningless letter on the front. It might make parents realize what they are buying for their kids more than they do now.