Is there any REASON gay marriage is wrong?
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Same. Intelligent anti-gay people are my favourite kind of people, they really are. I can spend hours talking (and even laughing) with them. Hell one of my best friends (well, one of several) is anti-gay and refuses to be around me and my boyfriend at the same time and doesn't like me to bring up my sexuality (and I don't cause I respect that about him), but we get along so well cause we're always challenging one another. It's awesome.King Toasty said:
But then you get the dumb, stunted types who spout one or two arguments in lame terms ad nauseum until you just want to punch them to the floor, spit on them and leave.
cause its just kinda weird, and people are saying its far fetched that allowing gay marriage will lead to allowing polygamy and so on, but is it really? I mean who draws the line, i mean if two men or women can get married now, then give me a legitimate reason why three or more people who share deep emotional bonds cant be married?
I'll get evidence when you do, note the use of the word some, and the fact that i never even mentioned how well they can raise a child at all. I simply stated that same sex couple raising kids could have ramifications. Before you act smug, realize that it's how well they can raise a child.AndyFromMonday said:
This verse is one of the famous six "clobber" passages from the Bible that is often used to condemn same-sex sexual activity.
In the King James Version, Leviticus 18:22 is translated: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Although the verse appears to most readers to apply only to sexual behavior between two males, at least two Bible translations appear to mistranslate the verse in order to widen its scope to include lesbian sexual activity:
Living Bible: "Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden, for it is an enormous sin"
New Living Translation: "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin"
In the King James Version, Leviticus 18:22 is translated: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Although the verse appears to most readers to apply only to sexual behavior between two males, at least two Bible translations appear to mistranslate the verse in order to widen its scope to include lesbian sexual activity:
Living Bible: "Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden, for it is an enormous sin"
New Living Translation: "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin"
Obviously, it is important for a student of the Bible to resolve exactly what behavior is forbidden: is it:
All homosexual behavior, by either men or women, or
All sexual behavior between two men, or
Only anal sex between two men, or
Only anal sex in a Pagan temple ritual, or
Sexual activity between two men in a woman's bed?
Also, is the behavior forbidden to ancient Israelites, or modern-day Jews, or all males regardless of their religion, or all males and females, or some combination of the preceding.
Unfortunately, there is no consensus on the meaning of this verse. Many people tend to select that interpretation that most closely reinforces their initial biases about the Bible and homosexual behavior.
English translations of this verse:
These are not a great deal of help. Bible publishers are under strong economic pressures to turn a profit. If a translation of Leviticus 18:22 were included that did not generally condemn at least male homosexual behavior, confidence in the translation would drop precipitously and their sales would drop equally fast. They are unlikely to deviate from traditional interpretations, unless they were preparing a translation specifically for Christian and Jewish liberals.
Some translations are:
ESV: (English Standard Version): "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is abomination."
KJV: (King James Version): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination".
LB: (Living Bible): "Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden, for it is an enormous sin"
Net Bible: "You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act." 1
NIV: (New International Version) "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
NLT: (New Living Translation): "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin."
RSV: (Revised Standard Version): "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
The LB and NLT translations use the term "homosexuality" That is unusually deceptive for three reasons:
The passage in the ancient Hebrew is clearly talking about male-male sex acts. By using the word "homosexuality," the English translation appears to condemn lesbian activity as well. The latter behavior is definitely not mentioned in the original Hebrew text of this passage. In fact, lesbian behavior is not mentioned anywhere in the Hebrew Scriptures.
The term "homosexuality" has two distinct meanings in English. Sometimes it refers to sexual behavior (what some people do; their actions). Sometimes it relates to sexual orientation (what some people are; their feelings). One reader might conclude from an English translation that homosexual orientation is criticized in the Bible; others might assume that only homosexual behavior is criticized.
The word "homosexual" was first used in the very late in 19th century CE. There was no Hebrew word that meant "homosexual." Thus, whenever the word is seen in an English translation of the Bible, one should be wary that the translators might be inserting their own prejudices into the text.
much more on this here at the source:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh.htm
(this page features 3 chapters, incredibly interesting read)
All homosexual behavior, by either men or women, or
All sexual behavior between two men, or
Only anal sex between two men, or
Only anal sex in a Pagan temple ritual, or
Sexual activity between two men in a woman's bed?
Also, is the behavior forbidden to ancient Israelites, or modern-day Jews, or all males regardless of their religion, or all males and females, or some combination of the preceding.
Unfortunately, there is no consensus on the meaning of this verse. Many people tend to select that interpretation that most closely reinforces their initial biases about the Bible and homosexual behavior.
English translations of this verse:
These are not a great deal of help. Bible publishers are under strong economic pressures to turn a profit. If a translation of Leviticus 18:22 were included that did not generally condemn at least male homosexual behavior, confidence in the translation would drop precipitously and their sales would drop equally fast. They are unlikely to deviate from traditional interpretations, unless they were preparing a translation specifically for Christian and Jewish liberals.
Some translations are:
ESV: (English Standard Version): "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is abomination."
KJV: (King James Version): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination".
LB: (Living Bible): "Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden, for it is an enormous sin"
Net Bible: "You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act." 1
NIV: (New International Version) "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
NLT: (New Living Translation): "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin."
RSV: (Revised Standard Version): "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
The LB and NLT translations use the term "homosexuality" That is unusually deceptive for three reasons:
The passage in the ancient Hebrew is clearly talking about male-male sex acts. By using the word "homosexuality," the English translation appears to condemn lesbian activity as well. The latter behavior is definitely not mentioned in the original Hebrew text of this passage. In fact, lesbian behavior is not mentioned anywhere in the Hebrew Scriptures.
The term "homosexuality" has two distinct meanings in English. Sometimes it refers to sexual behavior (what some people do; their actions). Sometimes it relates to sexual orientation (what some people are; their feelings). One reader might conclude from an English translation that homosexual orientation is criticized in the Bible; others might assume that only homosexual behavior is criticized.
The word "homosexual" was first used in the very late in 19th century CE. There was no Hebrew word that meant "homosexual." Thus, whenever the word is seen in an English translation of the Bible, one should be wary that the translators might be inserting their own prejudices into the text.
much more on this here at the source:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh.htm
(this page features 3 chapters, incredibly interesting read)
Im a Christian and I have absolutely problem with gay marriage being how the issue doesn't affect me in the least, hell if a gay couple wanted to get married in the church that I go to I atleast would have no problem with it...though my dad(discussion/argument prone as he often is) will try to talk to me about it and alot of times he'll try to come up with what ifs to get me to change my mind.
So they "could" have ramifications? Like what for e.g.? Also, what's the evidence that homosexual couples can't raise a child just as well as a straight couple?ImmortalDrifter said:
I've always seen it as:
Marriage is a religious tradition, most religions denounce homosexuality.
Now I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong, but I don't think it's unreasonable for a religion to deny gay marriage if that religion is agaist homosexuality.
Marriage is a religious tradition, most religions denounce homosexuality.
Now I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong, but I don't think it's unreasonable for a religion to deny gay marriage if that religion is agaist homosexuality.
YAY!!!matthew_lane said:
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Oh God... I watch to much Star Trek, dont I?
*Edit* Hmm, spelling errors... looks like its time for bed...
Some Religions, specifically Christian Religion, don't have a doctrine in how to tackle LGBT people. So... It would be right or wrong, depending on your Religion OR what the Society's stand about it.
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Why do we need more threads about this topic?
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Why do we need more threads about this topic?
I see this trend at least once a week.
on that note, look at it from the view of a young christian.
Why would God let gays on the earth if it was THAT wrong? If you want to blast me for being pro/neutral gay, then let me respond with this. VIEW IT AS A TEST YOU HOMOPHOBES! God tells us to love our brothers and sisters, no matter what. and this could be a test for all you gay bashers out there. I have friends that are gay, do i view them any differently? Nope, because that's there thing what they like, I don't care, there still my friend.
on that note, look at it from the view of a young christian.
Why would God let gays on the earth if it was THAT wrong? If you want to blast me for being pro/neutral gay, then let me respond with this. VIEW IT AS A TEST YOU HOMOPHOBES! God tells us to love our brothers and sisters, no matter what. and this could be a test for all you gay bashers out there. I have friends that are gay, do i view them any differently? Nope, because that's there thing what they like, I don't care, there still my friend.
Here in Finland, a few years ago a priest was fired because he refused to work with female priests. If gay marriage were approved by the law, priests refusing to perform them would no doubt be fired also. This in my opinion is forcing them.Eldarion said: