Is there any REASON gay marriage is wrong?

[Jonabob87]

As a Christian, I can honestly say I really don't see what all the fuss is about. To me, marriage is about love. Everyone should have the right to express their love through marriage, regardless of sexual orientation.

As a Christian you should read where it says in the Bible

"The man said, 'This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man.' For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh."

Have one viewpoint on marriage, or the other. This is one instance where you can't have both.

What about the bit where it says to love your neighbour? Is it really a loving thing to do to deprive your neighbour of the same rights you have just because they have a different sexual preference? Everyone's entitled to their own interpretation of the Bible, of course, but to me it's about love. Whoever does not know love does not know God, because God is love. I don't think the sexual preferences of the members really matter, if it's a loving marriage.

I think God's word is more important than your own personal preferences. By performing gay marriages in a Church in a Christian fashion is to completely contradict the word of God.

Showing love to a gay person is by accepting who they are as a human being and loving them as you would love anyone else. If the Christian faith says that homosexuality is a problem then regard it the same way you regard your own problems. We don't embrace our own problems, in the same way that we shouldn't embrace homosexuality, but we should still embrace the homosexual.

Is it really embracing homosexuality just to give them the same rights as heterosexuals have? I just think that the real issue is if it's a marriage based on love, but I accept that my interpretation of the Bible is quite liberal and certainly wouldn't coincide with every Christian's beliefs. We may just have to do a rare thing in internet discussions, and agree to disagree?

Let's do that, let's shock the world and agree to disagree!

 

[Totenkopf]

I don't think so.
In my opinion, homosexuals should be given the right to have a official relationship with the same benefits of a marriage, though it shouldn't be called marriage (don't worry, that wouldn't mean any loss of benefits, it just concerns the name).
I simply think that the term "marriage" should be reserved to the official man-woman-partnerships, as simple as that.

 

[BKtheKITTY]

Because their religion says so.

They usually conveniently overlook the fact that I am not of their religion when making these sorts of statements.

Except the same people who claim homosexuality is wrong because their religion says so are the same people with tattoos (Leviticus 19:28, Deuteronomy 14:1) or who order rare steaks (Exodus 12:9). Honestly, the Bible says extremely little about homosexuals and when it does, it's in the same area where it says other things that no longer apply. For instance, when it talks about gays, just a little while afterward it says you should kill any woman who isn't a virgin when she is married which we obviously no longer do. The only reason any religious person would be against homosexuality isn't because the Bible told them to, it's because the church told them too, possibly right before asking them for more money.

There is literally not a single good reason for gay marriage to not be legal in today's society. It's extremely silly that we still worry about this nonsense. And even if the Bible said plainly "homosexuality should be illegal," it shouldn't. Because we shouldn't live in a religious society. Not everyone is your religion, so why apply (silly, outdated, and hateful) laws in a place where not everyone believes what you do? I do believe that caused something called the Dark Ages. Nothing they do bothers you, or it shouldn't. Why would you stop someone from being happy because you don't agree with what they do? No one stops you from practicing religion, do they?

Ugh, sorry, it just really bothers me that we even have to still say this. But believe it or not, people still don't believe in gay rights...

Man speaks the truth. Did you know that the leading cause of tsunamis is people not saying their prayers? Yet more fun facts. I yank not your chain. And I heard this at a cathedral.

 

[Griffolion]

I'm a Christian, and despite what some of the fundamentalist dinosaurs may shout, I think that if any two people wish to come together in love to become one in spirit, friendship and love, then that's a blessed union.

The whole thing with marriage of two people is that they fill you in where you are weak, mentally, emotionally and you do the same for them. It's a process of yin and yang coming together to make something better than the two separate. This is always a good thing, regardless of the state of their genetic makeup.

 

[ProfessorLayton]

Man speaks the truth. Did you know that the leading cause of tsunamis is people not saying their prayers? Yet more fun facts. I yank not your chain. And I heard this at a cathedral.

Just reading that makes my stomach hurt. I can't believe anyone would say something so horrible...

 

[Exterminas]

Classic chase of the Münchhausen-Trilemma.
There doesn't have to be a reason to classify something as right or wrong, since these things are not within the reach of absolute reasoning.

 

[Griffolion]

Man speaks the truth. Did you know that the leading cause of tsunamis is people not saying their prayers? Yet more fun facts. I yank not your chain. And I heard this at a cathedral.

I'd just like to say that God strongly disagrees with what those people are saying. Because that phrase is trapping the listeners in shame and guilt that them not saying prayers as much as they should caused the death and displacement of hundreds of thousands. This fear, shame and guilt-mongering is exactly the type of thing Jesus came to rescue us all from. So they are in fact saying things totally anathema to their supposed faith.

I would just ask that you don't see that as the Christian message because they genuinely aren't preaching it, they've seriously missed the point. It's a Christians job to love and help people regardless of who they are in whatever situation they are in, not to say stuff like that. The unfortunate thing is that this stuff get's said in one place and it's then all over the world with people saying 'thats what the Christians think about this'. It genuinely isn't, my heart felt like it was going to stop when I saw those tsunami images because I could literally feel their pain but not out of guilt, because those humans were suffering, pure and simple.

You probably think i'm an idiot, but like that stuff really irritates you and gets you mad, it does the same to me because that's what the Christian message is being seen as when it really isn't that at all! *sigh*

 

[willsham45]

Ok the best answer I can think of is the general perception of the majority thinking Gay is evil and wrong and against Jesus and all that, So positions saying gay marriage bad I am against it is an easy way to make a large group of voters happy.

So basicly it is fine just idiots abuse it for selfish means.

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

Gay people cannot reproduce, therefore they shouldn't get married or have sex ever.

So the only point of marriage and sex is to have children? Does that mean that people should only be allowed to get married if they have a child and people shouldn't be allowed to use things like condoms which allow people to have sex for fun?

Yes, that is the point. Condoms are evil and morally reprehensible.

 

[Rockchimp69]

(Before reading, please note that I AM in favor of gay marriage, in case you're very thick and don't get that right away)

You might hear people go on about how "Gay marriage is wrong", and "How it shoud be illegal" and so on. But I've yet to hear an objective reason for the case. They sometimes try to justify their position with "It would hurt regular marriage", but this is far fetched at best and a flat out lie at worst.

Fortunately these forums tend to be pretty open-minded on the matter, but if you happen to disagree with me, I'd very much like to hear a good, solid, factual reason to support your position.

EDIT: Lol, I finaly caught on to the error in the title X). I originally wanted it to say "would be" instead of "is" but forgot to delete the "be".

I can't be bothered to look through all the pages so I don't know if I've mean ninja'd or not but if both gay parents are of the opposite sex to a child they have then they might not be able to help the child with "guy or girl problems". Some people also think a person needs a female and male role model although personally I think any gender can perform that role.

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

Gay people cannot reproduce, therefore they shouldn't get married or have sex ever.

I should tell me sterile friend he can never get married then...

Probably, it would be kind of pointless.

Gay people cannot reproduce, therefore they shouldn't get married or have sex ever.

Is this your view or something you've heard ever?

That barely makes sense. Have I ever heard my own view? Of course I have, it's what I think.

 

[Griffolion]

Er...not to burst anyones bubble but isn't divorce Henry VIII's idea and not God's because he couldn't kill 1 of his wives you know the whole catholic, protestant thing.

Erm, divorce was talked about in the Bible as far back as exodus, they just came under different names such as separation. Actual terms such as divorce were first used in the book of Romans when Paul was giving his guidance to new Christians.

I'm pretty sure many other ancient and holy texts involved the same terms. Henry the 8th didn't think of it, he just wanted to be able to do it because Catholicism stopped through a very stark ruling from a misinterpretation of what the Bible says about divorce. So i guess Henry the 8th brought it back for those who aren't Catholic, but certainly didn't invent it as you say.

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

Gay people cannot reproduce, therefore they shouldn't get married or have sex ever.

Men cannot reproduce, which means that sex between two males will not produce any offspring.

So, what is your problem with my argument... seems to me that you're just agreeing with me.

 

[Anchupom]

The only problem with it I can see that is the "you may now kiss the bride" line could be a bit awkward with gay marriage for men.

 

[CrashBang]

To quote Yahtzee: "Short answer: no. Long answer: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"
Religion is the main argument because 'marriage' is a religious ceremony and thus has cultural traditions etc. but, in the modern age? No. There is nothing wrong with gay marriage whatsoever

 

[Wicky_42]

Marriage is religious, so it should be up to the relevant church if they want to offer that service, or if it goes against their beliefs, though I'm not opposed personally.

Civil partnership and equivalents I have no issue with either, providing they provide the same legal circumstances as marriage - kinda the whole 'non-discrimination' thing that I'm fond of.
If anyone starts protesting that gay couples shouldn't bring up kids cos they'll make them gay as well... well yeah, cos straight parents only bring up straight kids. ¬_¬

 

[Chronarch]

Well, scientifically speaking homosexuals being together does nothing to further the human species and actually leads to diseases. There are no real reasons why it should be allowed in terms of science.

 

[Saltyk]

I don't see why not. As long as I don't have to marry a guy, I'm all for allowing others to do so. Long story short, it doesn't hurt me or any one else, it's okay. I think the majority of Americans are starting to feel the same way.

On an aside, I read something saying that it's very sad that we seem to think it's only okay to let gay people marry, if the majority is okay with it. It's not something that the majority should control as it only affects a minority. I agree.

 

[matt87_50]

to me? a logical, objective person who will listen to reason?

no. none.

to some morons? yes, there are many, all of which they think are brilliant.

unfortunately, we all get equal say...

 

[Krall]

I don't think so.
In my opinion, homosexuals should be given the right to have a official relationship with the same benefits of a marriage, though it shouldn't be called marriage (don't worry, that wouldn't mean any loss of benefits, it just concerns the name).
I simply think that the term "marriage" should be reserved to the official man-woman-partnerships, as simple as that.

Why should the term "marriage" be specifically between a man and a woman? In common parlance it's already used to mean the joining of any number of things, or dedication to something other than a member of the opposite sex, so why not remove any sort of separation between homosexual and heterosexual unions and permit them both the same nomenclature?

Marriage is religious, so it should be up to the relevant church if they want to offer that service, or if it goes against their beliefs, though I'm not opposed personally.

Marriage isn't religious, at least not any more. I'm an atheist and I can get married to an atheist if I want to, but only provided they're of the opposite sex. Marriages are made official when they are sanctioned by the state, not by the church. If a homosexual couple wants a church to sanction their union then it's up to the church to decide whether to do so or not, but that approval is not required for marriage.