Is this legitimate reasoning?
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Well what's the difference between hating the musician so much you can't listen to the music, and simply hating the music? Either way, you don't like the music anymore.sgtjawa said:
I really don't see much of a difference between me and your friend, except that he doesn't like gay people and I don't like suicidal people.
jihad is an inner struggle to resist temptation to turn one's back on allah, not a literal call to arms. poetry is poetry, and again i call flowery language, but that's the key misinterpretation of islamic fundamentalists and the ignorant masses who wish to hate based on lack of understanding.Calatar said:
of course, creating an organized structure to belief is bound to bring about hatred and misunderstanding, since it turns a basic struggle to understand ourselves as higher-thinking beings into a force for political power. this is why i dislike religion-it's a war machine. (note that faith and religion are different things, religion being one man telling another how to worship his god and faith being belief in something greater than oneself.)
I believe I said don't start with that. It is important to pay attention to these things.Divine Miss Bee said:
While your view of religion is more "enlightened," treating every sentence of the Koran as a metaphor for something else ends up being pretty silly. "Cutting off the heads and fingertips of nonbelievers" is actually just a metaphor for how we cut ourselves off from Allah by not believing in him, and "strike terror into the hearts of nonbelievers" is really just code for how we are all lost and fearful until we find true belief in him.
Or could it actually be that the militaristic and tribal groups responsible for the creation of the Qur'an actually believed in its precepts literally, rather than as flowery metaphors. It's pretty blatant what it's saying about non-believers. And it's also mentions that Mohammad thinks poorly of those able-bodied men who did not go on Jihad. Unless "body" is a metaphor for "mind" then I'm pretty sure Jihad means Jihad. Especially in the context of the battles they fight against non-believers in the Qur'an and all the mentions of armies.
Oh, metaphorical armies. Well, then, that's just flowery poetry.
Or could it actually be that the militaristic and tribal groups responsible for the creation of the Qur'an actually believed in its precepts literally, rather than as flowery metaphors. It's pretty blatant what it's saying about non-believers. And it's also mentions that Mohammad thinks poorly of those able-bodied men who did not go on Jihad. Unless "body" is a metaphor for "mind" then I'm pretty sure Jihad means Jihad. Especially in the context of the battles they fight against non-believers in the Qur'an and all the mentions of armies.
Oh, metaphorical armies. Well, then, that's just flowery poetry.
I think it's always a good thing to seperate who a person is from their artistic works etc
In other words. The life of Freddy Mercury should have nothing to do with listening to Queen
In other words. The life of Freddy Mercury should have nothing to do with listening to Queen
I hope for your sake he never gets into Judas Priest.
On second though, maybe he should.
Like the countless posts above me, disliking a gay person for just his sexual preference is already insanely stupid, let alone judge the totally irrelevant music career based on that fact.
On second though, maybe he should.
Like the countless posts above me, disliking a gay person for just his sexual preference is already insanely stupid, let alone judge the totally irrelevant music career based on that fact.
Jim From Accounting said:yea but iv met a stack of bass players that would rather use a squier and put it threw a pedalAunel said:yeah the thunderbirds look awesome.Jim From Accounting said:i know what you mean about the bass thing i wanted a thunderbird and i finally tried one and just when meh and ended up with a Specter REX4Aunel said:Yes it's not very humane hating, but people hate all the time for good reasons, but most of the time for no reason at all.
Just like me, I seem to hate this bassI just don't like it, for no reason at all.
Personally, I don't feel any difference between a Fender and a Squire, although the Fender gives a better sound.
and about the jazz bass I mentioned, everyone I talk to refers to it as "the" bass to have.
every word of every religious text is allegorical! the torah talks about parting seas (accomplishing the impossible through faith) and building an "ark" (i.e. building up strength in one's beliefs) to weather a storm (an attack to that faith). nobody actually BELIEVES the myths-they're like aesop's fables.Calatar said:
I think it is.
The basis is "This group of people is represented by this person, I do not like this person now (for whatever reason) and so I feel unfavorable to the group". The worse the reason for hating that person the worse the group looks. Not the best of arguments, but I've heard worse reasoning.
If you don't like gay people then it seems perfectly reasonable to change your opinion on someone when they turn out to be gay.
I have no problem with people being gay (in fact one of my personal idols recently came out as gay), however some people just don't understand.
The basis is "This group of people is represented by this person, I do not like this person now (for whatever reason) and so I feel unfavorable to the group". The worse the reason for hating that person the worse the group looks. Not the best of arguments, but I've heard worse reasoning.
If you don't like gay people then it seems perfectly reasonable to change your opinion on someone when they turn out to be gay.
I have no problem with people being gay (in fact one of my personal idols recently came out as gay), however some people just don't understand.
From time to time I visit a christian gaming site I found to see how are their views on gaming, I can only say that for some reason they are fixed with the idea that every non-crhistian game has homosexual references on them. check the site by yourselves if you dont believe mesgtjawa said:
http://objectiveministries.org/zounds/gaming.html
*except the majority of religious personsDivine Miss Bee said:
Ask Christians whether Jesus existed. Ask Muslims whether Mohammad existed. Ask Jews whether Abraham existed. Then ask them if they did the stuff the Bible/Qur'an/Torah says that they did.
The majority don't think it's an elaborate metaphor. Especially in America, which is rife with creationists: those who believe the word of religious texts literally, above the empirical assertions of scientific discovery. Last I checked, creationists outnumber everybody else in America.
Yes, those holy texts become a whole bunch nicer when you don't take literally all the bad things in it. Yes it allows you to fit ancient books in with reality, because all those inaccurate claims about reality don't count anymore. No, it is nowhere near a majority opinion. Most people, if you tell them that the Qur'an is the literal Word of God, take it to mean that they should take it literally. And so they do.
Metaphorical reinterpretation allows you to place your personal values into ancient stories and call them justified. While it's better than taking them literally, it leads to taking yourself too seriously. You end up treating your own values as derived from divine sources, even though any number of people could justify their personal values through liberal reinterpretation of holy books.
I'll just remember that the Qur'an says to kill infidels metaphorically, and hope that Muslims know not to take it literally. Especially when it repeats itself on that point.
I have a family who is similar to this guy, and personally, I don't understand them at all. Th idea of Gay being choice or genetic of what is not the issue of r me, it's just the fact the being gay doesn't make him a better or worse singer. If the band were making money donations to some gay pride group or something, I guess his argument would have some grounds, but I don't think that's the case. The bible says it's not OK to hate people for these reasons anyway, so his reasoning is completely flawed in more than one way.sgtjawa said:
Eliam_Dar said:
Yes, some Christians can be like that, but not all or even most Christians. I feel like Christians and other religious affiliations are often judged by there most radical of conservative members. By the way, What do you mean "non-Christian games"? What would you consider a "Christian game"?
Seriously, I want to have your thoughts on this.
That's very admirable of you considering how personal my post must have felt, but I was hoping more for a discussion when I mentioned enlightenment. I'm not here to change your beliefs, no one other than you can do that. I would like to understand them however, its easy for an Atheist to hate a Christian, or a Christian to hate an Atheist as they often don't take the time to understand each other. I value Christianity and all religions as a source of... call it 'potential' good. What I don't understand is conservative values, with all religions it comes down to what you want to take from it, its not just a matter of "my Priest/Rabbi/Simon/??? says...", you've got to have your own basis to form an opinion on, and if you dislike homosexuals, or believe they should instead neglect that part of them I would like to know why.Haseo21 said:
Whether you believe it or not I have many religious friends and our relationship is likely only possible because they don't mind discussing their ethics or religious beliefs with me. Its quite interesting infact. What I dislike is when people just assume you can't possibly understand 'their god' because you're already titled 'Atheist', 'Jew', 'Christian', 'Muslim'...etc
