Is this why people hate the Star Wars prequels?!

[Shoqiyqa]

Jar Jar ...

... the hour spent making it obvious that Senator Palpatine was going to be Emperor Palpatine, like, that guy, y'know, with like the hood and the cloak and the hissy voice, right, like he held his hands like this and like he was evil and y'know? Well this guy, like y'know that guy was called like Emperor Palpatine and this guy's Senator Palpatine, well, right, this guy, see, with like the way he wears the cloak with the hood and he's got that hissy like voice and he holds his hands like this you see that well this guy, right, he's going to be that guy ...

... and the hour spent advertising a Sega arcade racing game.

Jar-jar and and Hayden Christensen are like, the only things people use as reasons as to why the prequels were bad.

It appears that I am, in fact, chopped liver. That or you're not paying attention.

 

[Mr. Gency]

Spoiler: the official series...?

ep 1
clonewars cartoon
ep 2
clone wars movie
clonewars cartoon
ep 3
original trilogy

also, the prequals were BETTER! STFU already!

I never liked how they had two separate (as separate as they can be) cartoons with the exact same name.

 

[Captain Pirate]

It appears that I am, in fact, chopped liver. That or you're not paying attention.

Seems I'm not the only one not paying attention then, I quickly edited my post after reading many valid points about how bad the prequels were. I was mainly stating those are the ones I see/hear the most in the world in general.
And what does chopped liver mean?

 

[Flames66]

Between the dead jedi master who's mentioned in one scene and then why the guy ordered the army is never explained? Trying to discover why Jango Fett, the guy working for Dooku, was used for the clone army's template? The fact that Jango was trying to kill a senator? Why the clones were suddenly deployed in spite of their questionable origin? I mean, yeah, its what they were made for, but the republic lacking any kind of military force what-so-ever? I could go on but I'll just start with this.

He ordered it because of a premonition. Jango Fett killed many Jedi, so he was clearly a good choice. Senator Amidala was a threat to Palpatines plans, so Jango was hired to remove that. Clones were deployed with no questions asked (accept by very few people) because the wolf was at the door.

Any others?

You can get all this from reading the books.

 

[EscapeGoat_v1legacy]

Well, the whole midichlorian thing in The Phantom Menace was a bit pointless, and it did take away part of the whole fantasy element of Star Wars, but I wouldn't say that spoiled the whole prequel trilogy, or at least it didn't for me.

I think Hayden Christensen's abysmal acting let the trilogy down a fair bit, in my opinion, but even that couldn't spoil it too much for me. I guess I'm just too much of a Star Wars fanboy to care.

Overall, I did enjoy the prequel trilogy. Some bits were irritating, sure, but it was fun to watch for the most part, and that's all that I care for.

 

[PeterDawson]

Between the dead jedi master who's mentioned in one scene and then why the guy ordered the army is never explained? Trying to discover why Jango Fett, the guy working for Dooku, was used for the clone army's template? The fact that Jango was trying to kill a senator? Why the clones were suddenly deployed in spite of their questionable origin? I mean, yeah, its what they were made for, but the republic lacking any kind of military force what-so-ever? I could go on but I'll just start with this.

He ordered it because of a premonition. Jango Fett killed many Jedi, so he was clearly a good choice. Senator Amidala was a threat to Palpatines plans, so Jango was hired to remove that. Clones were deployed with no questions asked (accept by very few people) because the wolf was at the door.

Any others?

You can get all this from reading the books.

Premonition does not a filled plot-hole make. It's like saying, "it's magic, I don't have to explain it." This still doesn't explain how a freaking council member managed to do it in secret either. A jedi does not deceive.

Killed many Jedi? In the film that was after he was used.

No kidding Amidala was a threat, my point was people didn't seem troubled by the connection of the clones to the very assassin they were hunting. Once they found it out they just stuck to hunting Jango. Jango died, case closed. Nice follow-up work there.

I still don't buy that the republic, which had a massive amount of planets, didn't have any other force besides Jedi and private security. At least one planet had to have a private army, and the clones were a few hundred thousand initially, for a conflict spanning hundreds of systems. Considering we've had wars on a single planet where there have been well over hundreds of thousands of combatants the whole thing just feels tiny.

Finally, the books. Yeah, that's the problem. When splitting mediums its terrible narrative flow to not explain stuff except for in one area. A good movie doesn't require further reading, it should be self-contained. Yeah we're talking a six-part film series, but each film had a self-contained story, but it hastily filled in plot holes outside of said movie, which doesn't make the film better. You're telling a joke that people don't get so you explain it, and while people may go "oh" you're not getting the proper effect.

 

[Palademon]

I like all the episodes

 

[Flames66]

Premonition does not a filled plot-hole make. It's like saying, "it's magic, I don't have to explain it." This still doesn't explain how a freaking council member managed to do it in secret either. A jedi does not deceive.

Killed many Jedi? In the film that was after he was used.

No kidding Amidala was a threat, my point was people didn't seem troubled by the connection of the clones to the very assassin they were hunting. Once they found it out they just stuck to hunting Jango. Jango died, case closed. Nice follow-up work there.

I still don't buy that the republic, which had a massive amount of planets, didn't have any other force besides Jedi and private security. At least one planet had to have a private army, and the clones were a few hundred thousand initially, for a conflict spanning hundreds of systems. Considering we've had wars on a single planet where there have been well over hundreds of thousands of combatants the whole thing just feels tiny.

Finally, the books. Yeah, that's the problem. When splitting mediums its terrible narrative flow to not explain stuff except for in one area. A good movie doesn't require further reading, it should be self-contained. Yeah we're talking a six-part film series, but each film had a self-contained story, but it hastily filled in plot holes outside of said movie, which doesn't make the film better. You're telling a joke that people don't get so you explain it, and while people may go "oh" you're not getting the proper effect.

In order.

"It's magic" seems to be all the fans want the force to be. A fix all plot hole filler and action scene lubricant.

Jango killed many Jedi in the booksand games set before the films.

Interesting point, but with the Separatist threat looming over them they had the choice to either use the army and survive or not use it and die.

Also, the Republic decommissioned most of their military as a symbol of their peaceful ideals. Sounds a bit silly I know bit they did have Jedi to keep the peace.

About the books and not explaining things. I agree it is not the best way to do things from a narrative perspective, but neither is going over the entire history of a massive universe to try to make everyone understand why things are happening. Also narrative aside, having it all separate is a good way to sell more books, games and what ever else because people are interested to find out why things are the way they are.

 

[Instant K4rma]

My problem with the prequels:

Terrible actor. Terrible.

 

[swansman]

I know I can't be the only one who wanted to know what the force was. I was a little kid when I watched the first 3 movies and wondered what the force was. I just couldn't accept the fact that it was just there and that it was "magic".

 

[busterkeatonrules]

What annoys ME the most about the prequels, is the fact that the last one just straight up TELLS the viewer, step by step, that:

Spoiler: BEWARE! - This is a spoiler for the ORIGINAL trilogy!

Darth Vader is Luke's father and that Leia is his sister.

To any future fans who decide to watch the movies in narrative order (starting with episode 1), the shocking revelations that made the original trilogy awesome rather than just great, will lose their impact completely.

Am I the only one who thinks this was a spectacular dick move from Lucas?

 

[PeterDawson]

Premonition does not a filled plot-hole make. It's like saying, "it's magic, I don't have to explain it." This still doesn't explain how a freaking council member managed to do it in secret either. A jedi does not deceive.

Killed many Jedi? In the film that was after he was used.

No kidding Amidala was a threat, my point was people didn't seem troubled by the connection of the clones to the very assassin they were hunting. Once they found it out they just stuck to hunting Jango. Jango died, case closed. Nice follow-up work there.

I still don't buy that the republic, which had a massive amount of planets, didn't have any other force besides Jedi and private security. At least one planet had to have a private army, and the clones were a few hundred thousand initially, for a conflict spanning hundreds of systems. Considering we've had wars on a single planet where there have been well over hundreds of thousands of combatants the whole thing just feels tiny.

Finally, the books. Yeah, that's the problem. When splitting mediums its terrible narrative flow to not explain stuff except for in one area. A good movie doesn't require further reading, it should be self-contained. Yeah we're talking a six-part film series, but each film had a self-contained story, but it hastily filled in plot holes outside of said movie, which doesn't make the film better. You're telling a joke that people don't get so you explain it, and while people may go "oh" you're not getting the proper effect.

In order.

"It's magic" seems to be all the fans want the force to be. A fix all plot hole filler and action scene lubricant.

Jango killed many Jedi in the booksand games set before the films.

Interesting point, but with the Separatist threat looming over them they had the choice to either use the army and survive or not use it and die.

Also, the Republic decommissioned most of their military as a symbol of their peaceful ideals. Sounds a bit silly I know bit they did have Jedi to keep the peace.

About the books and not explaining things. I agree it is not the best way to do things from a narrative perspective, but neither is going over the entire history of a massive universe to try to make everyone understand why things are happening. Also narrative aside, having it all separate is a good way to sell more books, games and what ever else because people are interested to find out why things are the way they are.

The problem is it still seems too simple. Again, he was a council member, whe didn't he tell the others?

Again, we have the book problem. We don't know this in the film itself. It could of taken a single line of dialog to fix this too, mind you.

The choice can't of been that simple. There are planets nearby and if even one of them had an army they could of agreed to have mobilized in the face of such a serious threat. Really it seems like the clones were just used because they were considered disposable, but that's just speculation.

Again, decomissioned most of their military, you've still got hundreds of planets here, including one that's just one massive city. Granted with the lack of a formal army and a lack of time conscription or drafting might not be realistic planet-based forces could still be brought together to form a sort of allied taskforce.

Again, a story needs to be self-contained, and we were missing crucial elements that were only covered in other material. If the film can't explain why the plot is happening in the time it has, the plot was made too complicated and needed alterations. Instead the complexities are left but people who only watch the movies, and there are quite a few people like that including myself, are left lost because they didn't do the required further reading.

 

[Flames66]

Again, a story needs to be self-contained, and we were missing crucial elements that were only covered in other material. If the film can't explain why the plot is happening in the time it has, the plot was made too complicated and needed alterations. Instead the complexities are left but people who only watch the movies, and there are quite a few people like that including myself, are left lost because they didn't do the required further reading.

I do see your point here. I can get very into a story as in depth as Star Wars and want to read every piece of material I can find about it. This does not suit everyone and probably should be covered in more detail in the films.

I believe that the Star Wars universe is now far too massive to fit enough into the films to cover everything. Because of this, I think that what we have is probably the best we are going to get.

 

[PeterDawson]

I do see your point here. I can get very into a story as in depth as Star Wars and want to read every piece of material I can find about it. This does not suit everyone and probably should be covered in more detail in the films.

I believe that the Star Wars universe is now far too massive to fit enough into the films to cover everything. Because of this, I think that what we have is probably the best we are going to get.

Indeed, thanks to the giant gap between episodes VI and I the Star Wars Expanded Universe became a massive entity. While this was good for die-hard fans, it made Star Wars hard to approach for casual people. This is probably one of the reasons they rebooted Star Trek, though granted Roddenbury (spelling? I'm not a trekkie) did go on record saying only the TV shows and movies were canon. Star Wars meanwhile, this is less clear.

 

[Varanfan9]

In my opinion the 1st one was great the second was Average and the 3rd was meh. Actually the 1st is in my top 3 favorite star wars movies.

 

[Warwelde]

I say this:
Episode 1-3
Good things:
Star Wars = Freaking amazing. All three!
Bad things:
Hayden = Meh.
Jar-Jar= Stupid. But nessecary. (Still, "Wheesa gonna die!" still is annoying.)
"Neutral" things:
Midichlorians = Don't Care. Abit stupid.
Episode 4-6=
Good things:
Star Wars= Freaking amazing! All three!
Some better actors than Episode 1-3. (Harrison Ford! Woo!)
Bad things:
Not anything "bad", really.
"Neutral" things:
Luke Skywalker= Whiny from time to time. "I wanna get off this rock!" Meeeeeeh. Also: "I am your father!" "NOOOOOO!" Brillant scene, but: Most. Whiny. Face. Ever. (Yeah, small complaint.)
Not as good Lightsaber fights. Looks really fake, from time to time. (REALLY small complaint.)
Conclusion: Star Wars are great. I think the reason people like Episode 4-6 more is that they were so awesome, that 1-3 couldn't live up to that standard. Nothing can. Star Wars are the greatest movies ever made. All six.

 

[Jared Doucet]

I honestly like the Star Wars prequels. I actually have Episode 3 before Return of the Jedi in my ranking of best Star Wars films (behind Empire and the original of course). I think people focus TOO much on the small stuff about the movie.

-Jar Jar Binks was annnoying. I get that. I don't like him either....but I wasn't annoyed by him when I was a kid.....and that's the point. The fans who hate him are the ones who grew up on the originals or are teenagers (which is why I don't like him now at age 23) but kids loved him and that was the point Lucas was going after because he had kids.

-Midichlorians: I agree he explained too much (something you should never do in movies) but once again....it didn't bother me that much.

-Jake Lloyd: He wasn't a very good child actor and it didn't help that Haley Joel Osmont was becoming popular as one of the best child actors at the time. But put yourself in his shoes: he's playing the kid of the greatest cinematic villians of all time....of course there would be some nervousness.

-The love story: Yes, it's written by the pen of a 5 year old but it didn't stop me from enjoying Episode 2.

Hayden Christiansen and Natalie Portman: There was great acting all around the board except for these two, Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best. Christiansen was actually very good when he didn't have to speak (especially in Episode 3) and Portman just wasn't there yet in terms of being a good actress but it didn't ruin the movies for me.

-Darth Vader shouting NO! in Episode 3 (before Lucas had him say in Return): I think this was actually nicely done since it basically represented the death of Anakin Skywalker and the birth of Darth Vader and why he would have zero emotions for the next batch of years. It's a tragedy people, get over it!

Did I get everything? Sounds like it. Anyway, these are the MAIN reasons why everybody hates the prequels but what people don't get are that the special effects are amazing, the action scenes are top notch, the rest of the actors are brillant (Ewan McGregor wasn't that great in Episode 1 but he got much better for 2 & 3 considering the fact that the 1 was the first movie he didn't show his dick in or him doing drugs or something) and the storytelling is top notch. So I say that the prequels are very good movies but not on the level of the original or Empire (3 is better than Return though but I love tragedy in movies).

 

[Jared Doucet]

yup excellent point about midichlorians.... why the hell didn't the empire just go around with a midichclorian detector making sure no more jedi are born or hiding...

bunch of stormtroopers detect midichlorians in your bloodstream? Sorry pal your toast!

I think people hate the prequals for more than that one tiny point though...

The origional trilogy never pandered to kids (aside from the ewoks of course) and was a fantasy sci-fi that could be enjoyed by both kids and grown-ups, the rot set in I feel, with the tweaking done at skywalker ranch...

"ok" i thought "updating and polishing the effects aint a bad idea, as time moved on it looked a little ropey, escpecially after the 900th viewing." So like a good fanboy I paid my cash and went to see my beloved films given a new lick of paint... well, the basic stuff was ok, jabba looked a little wrong but overall it was hard to fault those bits, but then the comic relief jawas falling about like in a keystone cops movie as if lucas was trying to get every opportunity he could to lighten the mood, escpecailly the audience sense of apprehension and suspense as they enter mos eisley spaceport.... then of course there was han shooting first which totally negates his story arc over the 3 movies from bad-ass smuggler to hero of the rebellion, han HAS to be the guy who shoots first, he's smarter than greedo and knows whats coming and has no qualms about shooting first, he's a charcter of grey morality who could go either way but ultimately chooses good....oh and keep the gungans out of 4-6 I liked the daydream that the empire had simply comitted a well deserved genocide against the entire race.

Well i could lecture all day about how lucas did his best to fuck eps 4-6 but hell, the reason people hate the prequals so much is that they were like the restored origionals with the actual good stuff almost entirely removed, Lucas clearly thought we were fans of slapstick jawas and han shooting second and that ewoks were a GREAT idea (though preferable to gungans) and clearly thought "yeah more of that!"

I still don't get the whole "Han shooting first" thing, as long as he kills Greedo why does it matter? Is this tiny point of characterization really that important with a character that spans three movies and is actually really cool? Do we really need this small point to sum up a character that everyone loves? I really don't understand how people sweat the small stuff like that.

I agree 100% of the whole "Han shooting first" argument. Who really cares aside from uber fans?