Is this why people hate the Star Wars prequels?!

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The Lizard of Odd

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Linking again, I'm sure, because it can never be linked enough. You must watch all episodes from both before you bother supporting any of these movies.
You are free to enjoy them even after all the facts are laid out. I enjoy plenty of movies that he hates on. But I always hated the new Star Wars movies, and he just laid it out soooo well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBhi6qqFLA
 

GoodApprentice

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Replacing the quasi-religious mysticism of the force with that hackneyed quasi-scientific Midichlorians invention was as off-putting as swapping the dangerous, religious undertones of the original Indiana Jones movies with the cheeseball martian vibe of the new "movie".

Secondly, the new Star Wars pictures will always be disappointing because they lack the adventurous spirit of the originals. The new series bogs itself in a boring, simplistic political storyline interspersed with some action scenes.

Thirdly, there is clearly no chemistry between the actors/characters in the prequels. Luke, Han, and Leia had at least some measure of warmth and likeability. Although the dialogue wasn't much better in the originals, they at least managed to connect to the audience on an emotional level (although I do think Ewen McGregor did a great job).

Finally, the new films were hamstrung by the fact that they told a story whose ending we already knew. If you want to deflate suspense and surprise in your movie, make a prequel (that never works). It will also disappoint your fanbase who visualized a far more epic series of events than your film delivered.
 

blaze2142

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the prequels were ok. It was the cartoon network anime series that made star wars look like a joke to me.
 

GoodApprentice

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"Linking again, I'm sure, because it can never be linked enough. You must watch all episodes from both before you bother supporting any of these movies.
You are free to enjoy them even after all the facts are laid out. I enjoy plenty of movies that he hates on. But I always hated the new Star Wars movies, and he just laid it out soooo well."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBhi6qqFLA



Okay, I should have watched these videos before posting because they are right on the money.
Bravo sir, bravo.
 

Velocirapture07

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The Prequels:

Relied too much on CGI
Contained HORRIBLE acting
Had confusing and rushed plots (with holes!)
Had a laughable script that turned good actors into hacks
And tried to replace EMOTION with SPECIAL EFFECTS

All of these things made the prequel series much worse that the original trilogy. Admittedly the light saber choreography was really cool, but these did not a great movie make.
 

erto101

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good thing women can't summon them hammers aye?
OT: the originals was best but the prequels were decent movies(Which is better than what i rated most movies)
 

Nmil-ek

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Midichlorians were bullshit totaly left field and missed the point of the force it stopped being about how great a person you are and about random selection so jedi are essentialy just lucky cunts rather ran great warriors possesing excessive morality/force of will, great.

They butchered Anakins story all we heard about him in the originals were how great of a person he was how his fall was an utter shock then what do we get in the prequels, immaculate conception *bullshit*, whine, whine, I should be a master, whine, genocide, whine, genocide & child murder, force choke my love intrest for no logical reason.

I can describe 99% of the prequels supposed action in one word "clusterfuck" why is there always so much shit on the screen?? It's not engaging I have no idea whos fighting what and where half the time or why lucas just loved to shovel more shit at us constantly faster and faster. And lets not even go into the scale of battles remeber rader versus luke, a simple hallway and a dead end slow, emotional fighting more going on in the background than the actual action then we get overcoreographed wire-fu wank offs that would make john woo facepalm and lets not mention the CGI that last fight between Obi Wan and Anakin fuck off lava and standing on a robot/rock platform really?
 

Breaker deGodot

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I didn't like the prequels because of the AWFUL dialogue between Anakin and Padme (This is why I actually like The Phantom Menace more than the other two; it has little such dialogue, and laughing at Jar Jar is kinda fun).
For me, the prequels bottomed out at Attack of the Clones. (Jango Fett? REALLY?!)
Revenge of the Sith was a little better, but it still had Hayden Christensen in it, so I still despised it.
 

Dan Shive

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Oh, so THIS is why the comic was getting so much traffic from the Escapist! I was quite confused.

Well, the RedLetterMedia reviews have been linked to, so I have little to contribute beyond the fact that I agree that Lucas being able to do whatever he wanted with CGI was probably a major contributing factor to the story issues of the prequels and that the limitations of the older films were likely a major factor in their being good. Art through adversity, whatever.

EDIT: It's worth noting that the comic doesn't really say anything that hasn't been said before about the prequels, but then the point was less making a clever new point than making fun of my own ineptitude as a writer.
 

Thaius

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One of many things.

Beyond that: sand. Watch Episode II again, and wait for Anakin's line about sand. In a romance scene. Some of the worst writing EVER.

I still liked the prequels (especially I and III), but I'm also mad at them for many reasons.
 

Not G. Ivingname

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Blindswordmaster said:
Batsamaritan said:
yup excellent point about midichlorians.... why the hell didn't the empire just go around with a midichclorian detector making sure no more jedi are born or hiding...

bunch of stormtroopers detect midichlorians in your bloodstream? Sorry pal your toast!

I think people hate the prequals for more than that one tiny point though...

The origional trilogy never pandered to kids (aside from the ewoks of course) and was a fantasy sci-fi that could be enjoyed by both kids and grown-ups, the rot set in I feel, with the tweaking done at skywalker ranch...

"ok" i thought "updating and polishing the effects aint a bad idea, as time moved on it looked a little ropey, escpecially after the 900th viewing." So like a good fanboy I paid my cash and went to see my beloved films given a new lick of paint... well, the basic stuff was ok, jabba looked a little wrong but overall it was hard to fault those bits, but then the comic relief jawas falling about like in a keystone cops movie as if lucas was trying to get every opportunity he could to lighten the mood, escpecailly the audience sense of apprehension and suspense as they enter mos eisley spaceport.... then of course there was han shooting first which totally negates his story arc over the 3 movies from bad-ass smuggler to hero of the rebellion, han HAS to be the guy who shoots first, he's smarter than greedo and knows whats coming and has no qualms about shooting first, he's a charcter of grey morality who could go either way but ultimately chooses good....oh and keep the gungans out of 4-6 I liked the daydream that the empire had simply comitted a well deserved genocide against the entire race.

Well i could lecture all day about how lucas did his best to fuck eps 4-6 but hell, the reason people hate the prequals so much is that they were like the restored origionals with the actual good stuff almost entirely removed, Lucas clearly thought we were fans of slapstick jawas and han shooting second and that ewoks were a GREAT idea (though preferable to gungans) and clearly thought "yeah more of that!"
I still don't get the whole "Han shooting first" thing, as long as he kills Greedo why does it matter? Is this tiny point of characterization really that important with a character that spans three movies and is actually really cool? Do we really need this small point to sum up a character that everyone loves? I really don't understand how people sweat the small stuff like that.
Simple, it is a change to make the series more "Kid friendly," to make sure Han doesn't look like some heartless killer. However, Han shooting first made sense because it is not about being heroic, it is about being smart. Have you seen The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly? In it their is one scene where one guy is in a tub while a one armed guy is pointing a gun at him. The one arm guy talks about how the guy in the tub chopped his arm off and how he learned to shoot with his other. The guy in the tub shoots him (from under a bunch of bubbles) and says, "When you have to shoot, shoot! Don't talk," afterwards. The original Han shooting first scene made sense because Han was basically a drifting cowboy doing what he had to survive, and indeed it was a homage to that scene from The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, right down to Han shooting Greedo from out of sight. Letting the other guy shoot first is just simply idiotic. That guy missing the shot from arms length away and how bad the "Han dodging a laser blast from point blank range" effect looks. That is what peeves fans so much (I was born after this change was made, so I only heard about it after I saw the prequel triliogy).
 

StarStruckStrumpets

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Aside from the whole Midichlorian thing, I actually preferred the first Prequel...but my biggest issue with the Star Wars Prequels?

Yoda. Since when was he out of the matrix?
I actually liked him when all he wanted was to steal your provisions...
 

mrhappyface

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They're fine by my standards. I have the box set and my favorite character's Anakin. However, that statement alone gets me ripped apart on less moderate discussion boards.
 

Saarai-fan

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I "STRONGLY" recommend that anyone who wishes to at least understand how the midi-chlorians were in the story of Star Wars are meant to be viewed as intended by Lucas, please read this page from Wookieepedia explaining them.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian

No, I'm serious here. Read it. I know many didn't like how midi-chlorians were introduced in Star Wars, but that was mostly because Lucas did a crappy job of having them explained in Phantom Menance.

Midi-chlorians did not create or produce the Force what so ever. They're basically organisms that were symbiont which allowed it's host to sense the Force, which was it's own seperate entity. The more midi-chlorians someone had in their cells, the greater ability they had at sensing the Force to use it.

Also, the idea of making the Force just like magic itself was hated a lot by many fans of the franchise. And by fans, I'm talking about fans who read the comics, novels, watched the tv shows, and played the video games than just only watching the movies. Between "Return of the Jedi" and "The Phantom Menance," the franchise had their comics and novels go in that direction of making the Force as magical as possible. And what we got was Star Wars devolving into something of a Lord of the Rings/Magic the Gathering/Harry Potter/Dungeon and Dragons rip-off. Many people didn't like the direction of Star Wars having "spells" and stuff that made it look like more an medieval fantasy than a sci-fi adventure. Of course, many fans of Star Wars who only watched the movies missed out.

In the end though, people should not make a big deal about midi-chlorians. What made the prequels not as great as the orginal trilogy, was the fact that Lucas isn't much a great director. A great visionary, creator, and producer, but not a good director. He probably should of gotten a better actor for Anakin in Episode II and III, and should of done a better job with Jar Jar Bink's personality and speech, but it's his lack of good directing skills that did the harm to the films. From what I understood about when they filmed scenes for the movie, whenever Lucas saw the actors perform a take as good as he thought he'd get for the scene, he simply told them to stop and they'd use that take. He should of had the actors done more takes of the scenes, then hopefully choose which ever was the best take.

However, I actually did like the prequels. Even with their faults, they're decent. If you don't like them, that's fine. But seriously, enough of the anger about midi-chlorians.
 

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Blindswordmaster said:
Read this comic, ignoring the last panel, first then respond.
http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-04-26

I never really understood why people hate the new three Star Wars movies, I mean Phantom Menace wasn't great, but they got better with age, and Revenge of the Sith stood out as a great addition to the series. Then I came upon this comic, which explained why some people hate episodes 1, 2, and 3. Is this really the reason?! Are Star Wars fans really pissed off by this?! Really?! This is insignificant to me. I didn't even notice it when I watched Phantom Menace the first few times. Please help me here, I'm completely lost.
No it's because you have twenty years of people speculating and stroking their throbbing fanboy members on what the newer films were going to be like. And when they finally did come out... they didn't live up to the two decades of fantasising that took place. Nothing in reality will ever be as good as it's twenty year long fantasy image a person has of it... ever.

I personally like the new Sar Wars films... and you know what I fucking like Jar-Jar too.