i think he had detectors actually, luke found one and used it to find students for the new jedi order
Is this why people hate the Star Wars prequels?!
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Poorly written, terribly cast, badly acted, full to the brim with so much CGI that it's just boring and, most importantly, makes absolutely no fucking sense if you try to think about it.
What the fuck is wrong with Jar Jar? I love that guy.
And please, don't pretend that Star Wars is some kind of a real hard science-fiction like Dune. It's more like fantasy, really.
And there's nothing wrong with goofy characters either, I might add.
The midichlorians thing wasn't too bad either. The original force was just, y'know, lame. Stinks of generic "destiny" idea.
Phantom Menace was awesome. The other 2 prequels, not so much, but mostly due to Anakin Skywalker being too angsty. Although, come to think of it, that wasn't that bad either.
Now the plot holes, in the whole franchise, those are damn annoying.
Star Wars was never some kind of "deep" story. It's a generic mindless action movie, nothing more. So enjoy it for what it was. All of the three prequels had great combat scenes, decent effects, and all that.
And please, don't pretend that Star Wars is some kind of a real hard science-fiction like Dune. It's more like fantasy, really.
And there's nothing wrong with goofy characters either, I might add.
The midichlorians thing wasn't too bad either. The original force was just, y'know, lame. Stinks of generic "destiny" idea.
Phantom Menace was awesome. The other 2 prequels, not so much, but mostly due to Anakin Skywalker being too angsty. Although, come to think of it, that wasn't that bad either.
Now the plot holes, in the whole franchise, those are damn annoying.
Star Wars was never some kind of "deep" story. It's a generic mindless action movie, nothing more. So enjoy it for what it was. All of the three prequels had great combat scenes, decent effects, and all that.
The old Star Wars were full of mystery and peril, when a Jedi was attacked by an enemy, there was some tension because they might die.
In the new ones, it's like "50 soldiers are attacking me? I can handle this with one hand behind my back" and then they do some twirls and the enemies all die. The Jedi were just stupidly powerful.
It's like in some of the later James Bond movies before they took a backpedal, the ones where he would straighten his tie calmly as his car transformed into a boat and escaped all the guys shooting at him. It's just bullshit.
In the new ones, it's like "50 soldiers are attacking me? I can handle this with one hand behind my back" and then they do some twirls and the enemies all die. The Jedi were just stupidly powerful.
It's like in some of the later James Bond movies before they took a backpedal, the ones where he would straighten his tie calmly as his car transformed into a boat and escaped all the guys shooting at him. It's just bullshit.
The original Star Wars was not anything like a "generic" action movie at all.Billion Backs said:
It was all about Luke rising from his poverty stricken life on Tatooine, to discover his power and importance in the shaping of the galaxy.
If what you looked for in the original trilogy was "generic action" you missed about 90% of what made the movie great.
The new ones were the problem, they just made it one big glowing swordfight with absurdly powerful demigods.
While I agree the midichlorian thing was pointless, I really enjoyed the Phantom Menace. I thought epiodes 2 and 3 sucked though.
I think a big part of why people hate them is that the prequels are trying to introduce star wars to the younger generation. And the people who already watched them are thinking "wtf is this ?". Hayden was a crappy actor though. And as for the midichlorian thing I will say that I thought it was pretty gay that they replaced the jedi force intuition with midichlorian detector technology.
Watch them all. You 'll get quite the laugh. I think midichlorians come into, like, part 6 or 7.
My thoughts exactly. And another problem, which The Simpsons spoofed on was the shoehorning in of needless politics and the idea that the prequals would automaticaly be better for their superior technology.SonicKoala said:
He wasn't so much stricken with poverty as he was bored.danpascooch said:
His amazing jedi power was,uh, slightly tugging at objects that are close to him. But, given the technological constraints of the 70s and early 80s, I suppose this could be excused. Even though they came up with at least SOME kind of an effect for the force lightning.
It just follows the old beaten storyline. Kid growing up alone or with adopted parents? Check! Some kind of destiny? Check! Some kind of super-duper powers? Check, although not so much. Motivation in form of revenge? Check! He didn't even have to make much in terms of decisions. All that barely tied him to Tatooine was, uh, removed pretty quickly. And then he just kept on following Obi Wan, and later his ghost.
So perhaps I should have called it more like "Generic Myth/action" then "Generic Action" although you can see a lot of modern action movies using the same structure.
There's nothing heroic in rising out of anything when you're pretty much destined to do it. Luke himself didn't really do much, he was just caught into a story bigger then himself and he simply followed.
Heroic would be fighting destiny and forging your own way through the world.
Luke was just a bored teen (or not, I don't quite remember how old he was in Episode IV. 17? 18? 19? He looked about it) who got pulled in on a maaaagic adventure. It's pretty common escapism, really. And generally all the examples are just the same story boggled by some outdated morality and ideas like revenge, good, evil, and so on. Meh.
Space Odyssey 2001, now that's a deep science fiction movie.
Star Wars, something to watch over weekend with friends. Doesn't make it bad, hell no, but there's difference.
Edit: And there, I fixed 'er up.
He wasn't so much stricken with poverty as he was bored.Billion Backs said:
His amazing jedi power was,uh, slightly tugging at objects that are close to him. But, given the technological constraints of the 70s and early 80s, I suppose this could be excused. Even though they came up with at least SOME kind of an effect for the force lightning.
It just follows the old beaten storyline. Kid growing up alone or with adopted parents? Check! Some kind of destiny? Check! Some kind of super-duper powers? Check, although not so much. Motivation in form of revenge? Check! He didn't even have to make much in terms of decisions. All that barely tied him to Tatooine was, uh, removed pretty quickly. And then he just kept on following Obi Wan, and later his ghost.
So perhaps I should have called it more like "Generic Myth/action" then "Generic Action" although you can see a lot of modern action movies using the same structure.
There's nothing heroic in rising out of anything when you're pretty much destined to do it. Luke himself didn't really do much, he was just caught into a story bigger then himself and he simply followed.
Heroic would be fighting destiny and forging your own way through the world.
Luke was just a bored teen (or not, I don't quite remember how old he was in Episode IV. 17? 18? 19? He looked about it) who got pulled in on a maaaagic adventure. It's pretty common escapism, really. And generally all the examples are just the same story boggled by some outdated morality and ideas like revenge, good, evil, and so on. Meh.
Space Odyssey 2001, now that's a deep science fiction movie.
Star Wars, something to watch over weekend with friends. Doesn't make it bad, hell no, but there's difference.[/quote]
No, he was definitely poor.
And by the way, it's not a generic anything, it's the original, you're only seeing it as generic now because so many have tried and failed to copy the formula of that original story type.
It's not generic when it's the first.
Also, this is the second time you screwed up a quote, it's not that hard, you press "quote" and then type things.
Yup, you've nailed it. The plot and actions in all the prequels were so poor as to be painful. I enjoyed the action sequences purely because (for the most part) people stopped talking, and the CG was nice and flashy.Babitz said:
The introduction of midiwhatevers was insignificant to me, but I can see how it could piss some fans off. The acting and scripting, however, is unforgivable. Sure, with the original three it's a bit stilted n all, but then that's to be expected from something that old. With the three new ones, there's no reason it shouldn't have beeen up to modern standards in acting and scripting as well as the effects.
Do explain me how midichlorians make less sense then the Force. Please, just try.SonicKoala said:
Billion Backs said:
yea, didn't do much at all, did he?
EDIT- what didn't make sense wasn't the explanation for the force, it was the fact that lucas felt the need to EXPLAIN something that nobody wanted to be explained. We first thought you could become a jedi by being pure at heart and being strong willed, but now it's just something your born with.
You know what's really ironic? You're the one that screwed up the quote. Hah.danpascooch said:
Adding "SNIP" is not screwing the quote. I'm a rambling fool who writes long rants, and when something is approaching the size of my screen something better be reduced. Adding SNIP quoted post takes way less effort then putting everything in spoilers or attempting some other half-assed method like writing less and more coherently. Har har, self-depreciation.
Now, how is it "original"? The same idea of a destined hero rising to power has been done a million times before Star Wars. Perhaps even in sci-fi setting. Hell, even Dune which I'm over-referencing in this thread, written some 12 years before Star Wars came out, follows the same heroic pattern.
Because just about everything that contains heroes follows the pattern. Sometimes they try to disguise it or add and cut extra things.
Oh, and Dune is totally the story of Paul(-Muad'Dib) rising from his poverty stricken life on Arrakis, to discover his power and importance in the shaping of the galaxy, which he does moreso then Luke. And there are even all the mystic things but with better explanations! The Voice instead of the handwave, and so on.