Is this why people hate the Star Wars prequels?!

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Fightgarr

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
There's only one real response
You know, I tried to watch that once. I couldn't get past the guy's voice. If I'm going to listen to a guy ramble about how bad a movie is can he at least not sound like he has a bubble in his throat the whole time?

I'm one of those people that believes that Star Wars has always been a bit overrated as a franchise. The original trilogy was a blockbuster sci-fi/fantasy which brought nerd culture to the forefront again. It was sweet for that, but watching them again I don't think they're great movies. Especially with better sci-fi out there now. I'd rather watch Blade Runner or Firefly any day. But it established a soft sci-fi universe that people could get into and in that way it was cool. It also introduced the lightsaber, the most iconic nerd-weapon imaginable. The original trilogy is revered, I feel, for the same reasons as Doom or Wolfenstein, because it started something that is now referenced on a regular basis. The prequel trilogy I just felt were legitimately bad movies, though visually well-put together.
 

JayDig

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NO HAN SOLO! No likable characters.
Obi-Wan should have been the main character for every movie, instead of wasting time trying to make us sympathize with Mannequin Skywalker. The Phantom Menace was pretty bad but I think it's actually the most watchable out of the three(not that 10 year old Anakin is any better).

Seriously, we need an epic Han Solo game that takes place before A New Hope.
Upgradin the ole' Falcon and flying around the galaxy. Cover shootouts with Chewbacca (co-op?)... Trying to stay neutral in between Paragon and Renegade.... oops I'm mixing up my Biowares.
 

Danpascooch

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danpascooch said:
No, he was definitely poor.

And by the way, it's not a generic anything, it's the original, you're only seeing it as generic now because so many have tried and failed to copy the formula of that original story type.

It's not generic when it's the first.

Also, this is the second time you screwed up a quote, it's not that hard, you press "quote" and then type things.
You know what's really ironic? You're the one that screwed up the quote. Hah.

Adding "SNIP" is not screwing the quote. I'm a rambling fool who writes long rants, and when something is approaching the size of my screen something better be reduced. Adding SNIP quoted post takes way less effort then putting everything in spoilers or attempting some other half-assed method like writing less and more coherently. Har har, self-depreciation.

Now, how is it "original"? The same idea of a destined hero rising to power has been done a million times before Star Wars. Perhaps even in sci-fi setting. Hell, even Dune which I'm over-referencing in this thread, written some 12 years before Star Wars came out, follows the same heroic pattern.

Because just about everything that contains heroes follows the pattern. Sometimes they try to disguise it or add and cut extra things.

Oh, and Dune is totally the story of Paul(-Muad'Dib) rising from his poverty stricken life on Arrakis, to discover his power and importance in the shaping of the galaxy, which he does moreso then Luke. And there are even all the mystic things but with better explanations! The Voice instead of the handwave, and so on.
Actually, you screwed up the quote, you added "snip" which was absolutely fine, but the problem was you had large portions of my previous quote out of a quote box, which was a mistake. Now my quote button won't work to put the quoted material into a quote box for you because you accidentally put an extra "quote" or "/quote" tag somewhere, I can't be bothered to go digging back to find out which.

Go back and look
 

Billion Backs

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danpascooch said:
Actually, you screwed up the quote, you added "snip" which was absolutely fine, but the problem was you had large portions of my previous quote out of a quote box, which was a mistake.

Go back and look
There, think I just fixed it.

Well, I'm getting bored of this as well. Really have to get back to doing stuff now.

So, uh, have fun.
 

Danpascooch

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Billion Backs said:
danpascooch said:
Actually, you screwed up the quote, you added "snip" which was absolutely fine, but the problem was you had large portions of my previous quote out of a quote box, which was a mistake.

Go back and look
There, think I just fixed it.

Well, I'm getting bored of this as well. Really have to get back to doing stuff now.

So, uh, have fun.
You too, take care
 

randomrob

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I liked all the prequels episodes except 2. And the god-awful CG one. No, i really liked the concept of midichlorians, it made the force seem more realistic and explained why some can use it and some can't.
 

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Read this comic, ignoring the last panel, first then respond.
http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-04-26

I never really understood why people hate the new three Star Wars movies, I mean Phantom Menace wasn't great, but they got better with age, and Revenge of the Sith stood out as a great addition to the series. Then I came upon this comic, which explained why some people hate episodes 1, 2, and 3. Is this really the reason?! Are Star Wars fans really pissed off by this?! Really?! This is insignificant to me. I didn't even notice it when I watched Phantom Menace the first few times. Please help me here, I'm completely lost.
That is an issue alright. Also Jar-Jar and the Gungans could have been better. Oh, and Anakin.
 

Timotei

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Timotei said:
The reason is because George Lucas basically fucked up the entire canon to Star Wars. The worst being The Force.

In The Empire Strikes Back, Yoda explains to a an ignorant Luke that the Force is not something you manipulate, but much rather let happen.
This scene is extremely powerful because it when these words were uttered that The Force was not something bound to the silver screen, but something real. We could all use the force so long as we knew it was there, and that's what The Force so great, so long as you believed in it.

And than Lucas takes this canon and decides to give a scientific explanation that The Force is caused by the presence of microscopic organisms.
www.RedLetterMedia.com pointed out how this scene shows it wasn't the lightsabers or the fighting that made a jedi awesome. Yet in the prequel films, the jedi were wapping the lightsabers out every five seconds.The last nail in the coffin is when Yoda pulls out his own baby lightsaber, thus negating all that important shit he said about not being a great warrior, and how the force is more important than his size and strength.
That last review of his was rather lackluster and seemed to milk his successful jokes to the point where it wasn't funny after a while.

He's best when he's breaking shit down, not running off his own jokes. That part where he's ratting Anni based on his behavior around Padme was fucking hilarious. The ending of each segment with a little chapter of the hooker was not quite as funny.


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There's a reason Empire Strikes Back remains the best of the bunch... it wasn't directed by Lucas.
 
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As people have already said the Padme and Anakin relationship seemed awful. I personally do not mind Jar Jar he did his job as comic relief if you didn't like him for that fair enough but he did his job. Also they introduced Qui Gon one the most if not the most kick ass Jedi ever. Also honourable mention goes to General Greivous.

Although yes the Midichlorians were completely unnecessary and did ruin the wonder of the force and was an answer to a question no one asked.
 

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Cos, in Phantom Man-ass, I mean Menace, we are forced to hear the dumbest, stupidest, most fucking idiotic line ever in a movie: 'They must be dead by now; destroy what's left of them.'

I doesn't matter how much you put it into context or whatever, it's simply the most ass line I've ever heard. And that was somewhere in the beginning of the first movie of the prequel trilogy, so I can't say I'll be expecting great things from the script of Ep 1, and those to come. That line destroyed Star Wars for ever, and nothing will ever restore the series to it's past greatness. Not with the shit bombs that came after Menace. I won't go into detail, cos I can't put enough sarcastic quotation marks around the word 'story', so I won't even try.
 

CK76

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Here's one central issue I have. Annakin Skywalker/Darth Vader.

In the original trilogy he has three phases. Mysterious and intimidating villain, dark secret and relation to protagonist, sympathetic and redeeming end.

Darth Vader was an amazing character, one of brilliant character design with the black samurai armor, the respirator and a voice (James Earl Jones) that made everyone pay attention. The depth that was revealed showed me someone I felt for, and imagined a tragic figure that fell from grace.

What I got was Annakin Skywalker, a whiny little brat who became evil because...because he was easily manipulated in obtaining his selfish goals? It is hard to take Vader seriously in the context established by the prequels.

Here, I'll have a go, and you know what, I'll keep Midichlorians too.

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We meet Annakin as a young man, a pilot who gets the attention of a jedi knight Obi-Wan because his "midichlorian count is high". Annakin is more street wise, managed to get out of slavery due to his wits and his powers (which he did not know he had).

Then we meet the jedis, they are NOT the protectors of truth and justice. They are bureaucrats, settling petty trade relations and border disputes. Over time they have become apathetic to the needs of the people and only seek to maintain their position and see Annakin as a tool.

Annakin is trained by Obi-Wan forming a friendship, but they conflict over issues. Annakin has a strong sense of right and wrong and thinks the Jedis should do more to ensure peace. Obi-Wan is the level headed one thinking politics have made such vigilantism obsolete. Annakin discovers his family (just mother or more, whatever) that he had left behind are still alive but is unable to save them due to regulations. He disobeys the council and frees them and the slaves, fighting the Hutts.

He is banished to Naboo on protection duty as punishment, here he falls in love with a queen and impregnates her. This causes a scandal and he is stripped of his knighthood. He grows bitter about the situation. Meanwhile the Emperor sends his sith (Maul?) to kill the queen. He does so, but not before she bears twin children. The Naboo claim a jedi (as sith would be secretive so mistaken identity) did the deed, they also cover up the two bastard children sending them far away from Naboo.

Annakin assumes the council has taken action to punish him. The Emperor steps in and offers him power to take vengeance and the ability to resurrect his beloved. So, he sends Maul tot est Annakin and Annakin goes crazy and kills his assassin (think Luke's rage when fighting Vader). He then goes to the Jedi academy and kills the younglings, on his way to the council. Obi-Wan is infuriated and confronts him. The battle is intense because of the weight of the characters and their relationship formed (I'd put this as climax of second film). Obi-Wan humiliates Annakin winning handily giving him the condition of needing to wear the armor.

The emperor uses Annakin's grief and frustration turning him into Vader who becomes more powerful thanks to the darkside and brings down the jedi council and gives rise to the empire.

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There, a quick bare bones story of Annakin, just his story in this universe, so no details of the empire and all in this brief tale. This Annakin would easily be more sympathetic to the whiner we got. Someone strong, righteous, stubborn and loyal who saw the hypocrisy of an order created on the basis of blood instead of the works and yet used their gifts to serve a republic that did nothing for the suffering of him and his people. He descend into madness as he needs power to accomplish his goals, but is perverted by his indignation into committing atrocities losing sight of the galaxy he originally envisioned.
 
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Fightgarr said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
There's only one real response
You know, I tried to watch that once. I couldn't get past the guy's voice. If I'm going to listen to a guy ramble about how bad a movie is can he at least not sound like he has a bubble in his throat the whole time?
This is one of the minor problems. He's MEANT to be like that and deliberately says "Protagonist" and other things wrong. If you watch the video, all will become clear WHY he's doing that.

Including the Pizzaroles.

Seriously, it's a masterful piece of work if you stick at it. :)
 

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Because they are horrible? I thought that was obvious.


The acting was terrible. Star Wars left me thinking Ewan McGregor was just a terrible actor until I saw him in other things and was let going, "Wait, he's actually good. What the heck?"

Same for Liam Neeson. Total wastes of talent. I'm not sure what Lucas threatened them with but he refused to let anyone act.

There was no emotion to the lightsaber duels. For example: In the originals when Luke gets all pissed off at Vader, he goes nuts with his lightsaber and just wails on him.

When Qui-gon is killed, I was like, "Oh, man, Obi-wan is gonna be awesome! Finally!" And then it just ended up being more dull acrobatics.

The Queen is particular was horrible. Note how she only cared that Anakin killed women and children when those children were bitty Jedi? She didn't care that he butchered other women and children among the sand people because the plot didn't need her to.


So terrible acting, boring, emotionless fights that were more interested in showing off than being about anything important, horrific plots---remember that Anakin's turning to the dark side was supposed to be a surprise to everyone around him. It was suppose to be a great shame and yet through the movies (2 and 3 in particular) all he does is ***** and moan and blame all his problems on others.


They were pathetic.
 

Burgertime

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I see the midichlorians as more of a way to rank the force sensitivity of an individual. The force itself is a mysterious force, and how the midichlorians work in and of themselves isn't know. It's not something you can just transfer to someone else through a blood transfusion or something like that.
Better to explain it to the kid in simple terms we haven't heard yet then to repeat what the force is (the fans have already heard it, and it might go over the kid's head) or to sugar coat it like how they explain stuff on an episode of a pre-school children's cartoon.
There are creatures in the Star Wars universe that don't appear "on the radar" of someone sensing an organism in the force, and there are some that can cancel out someone's ability to use the force.