Is Yahtzee a noob?

[crimson sickle2]

I don't think anyone can play video games as much as he has and still be a noob, maybe a noob of a neglected genre or game, but not an overall noob.

 

[zuro64]

I don't think you're in a position to be judging anyone's gaming ability if you've never seen them play.

Newb = new player

Noob = ignorant player, somebody who blames others/the game for their lack of skill and/or uses game tactics that others frown upon, i.e., noobtubing.

+1

 

[Pirakahunter788]

Yahtzee isn't a noob, he's a critic. It is quite literally his job to pick apart games and be extremely negative.

Exactly. He's also stated several times people don't like it when he's being too nice.
Also, kudos on the Commander Keen avatar.

 

[Pirakahunter788]

I don't think you're in a position to be judging anyone's gaming ability if you've never seen them play.

Newb = new player

Noob = ignorant player, somebody who blames others/the game for their lack of skill and/or uses game tactics that others frown upon, i.e., noobtubing.

I was wondering if someone was going to bring this point up.
I can't blame anyone for ignoring the differences between the two words, but the differences are still there.

 

[zuro64]

I gotta ask: MP?

Stands for Multi Player, most commonly it refers to online Multi Player but sometimes it refers to the local Multi Player wich often is called Co-op mode.

I must say that Im quite surprised that you didnt know that!

 

[Kurt Horsting]

I don't think you're in a position to be judging anyone's gaming ability if you've never seen them play.

Newb = new player

Noob = ignorant player, somebody who blames others/the game for their lack of skill and/or uses game tactics that others frown upon, i.e., noobtubing.

Just to clarify some semantics...

Newb = Noob = New player.

Scrub = ignorant player, somebody who blames others/the game for their lack of skill and/or uses game tactics that others frown upon, i.e. "being cheap".

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

EVERYBODY is a noob at some genre of gaming, if that's your definition. So yes, yes he is. So am I, so are you, so are we all.
Also: You're dissing him cause he isn't head over heels over Dark Souls/Demon Souls and multiplayer? I think many people have found its difficulty not to lie in actual challenge, but just being a ***** and intentionally making the game to fuck you over.
And so what if people don't like MP? I'm good at MP and I don't bother with it. Too many pricks.

 

[SD-Fiend]

pokemon wise yes

 

[Dragonpit]

Yahtzee? A noob? I don't think so. Yeah, he rips on every game, but he rips on EVERY game. The difference being that the latter includes the games he likes. He's pretty clear on that point, as he illustrates it quite often.

 

[KelsieKatt]

Come on, Demon's/Dark Souls fans, you know, and have always known, that the games are niche. Most human beings don't have the time or patience to play such a demanding game. It is complex, and, while fair, absolutely requires that you absolutely master it, and most people want video games to be less of a job. Yahtzee's not a noob for thinking Demon's Souls was too hard, he's an ordinary gamer.

Demon's Souls and Dark Souls most certainly do not require you to master them by any extent.

They expect you to be "pretty good" to get anywhere. Mastering though, is a drastic exaggeration.

If you were to master Demon's/Dark Souls, make an excellent character build and acquire powerful items, you can generally one shot most of the enemies, and if your reflexes/planning are good enough, you could avoid taking hardly any hits whatsoever, which would lead to absolutely massive amounts of extra items you have no use for sitting idly in your inventory.

That would be mastering. Neither game expects even close to that. Trouble is that the majority of people have no concept of what being "pretty good" at a game would even mean, and assume that because they can button mash their way through most recent games (which are deliberately designed to give the player a huge advantage by default already) that means they're good. That simply isn't the case. As it is, for that particular example, button mashing under any circumstance means the player has already failed at having skill from the start and is a bad, impatient player, relying on luck.

And yes, to be perfectly blunt, the "ordinary gamer" is in fact very much bad at games. Which is why games have been turning progressively into "I Win Button" scenarios in order to appeal to a more mainstream audience who zero patience to learn game mechanics or develop any skill.

If you want to play a game which requires you to "master" it, try something like Battletoads or a variety of Bullet Hell games. Demon's/Dark Souls are extremely forgiving by comparison. Hell, there's a lot of retro games in general out there which make the Souls games look like cake. Trouble is that most people are spoiled by the borderline god mode games in recent years. (Which I personally am completely bored shitless of.)

As it is, to top it all off, I've known or seen plenty of players who generally suck at playing video games who have really enjoyed Demon's Souls and Dark Souls. Mainly because it's not so much a straight up reflex game like most challenging games are, and a lot of is more based around tactical planning with different strategies against various enemy types and bosses.

Don't get me wrong, the games are certainly hard, but it's difficulty is blown severely out of proportion by people, especially considering how much of a cakewalk most games are (especially in recent years.)

 

[RollForInitiative]

Yahtzee is a comedian, not a reviewer. Learn to tell the difference.

 

[babinro]

Absolutely.

If you describe to a stereotypical 'hardcore' gamer what Yahtzee's playstyle and tendencies are they'd consider him a noob. This is assuming of course that his reviews actually reflect his game skills in any way and are not completely made up to begin with.

I personally don't care for the term and simply consider him a gamer like everyone else here.

 

[Darkbladex96]

The reason he hated Demon's Souls is because it was too hard. I don't mean "challenging" "fun" hard, i mean "ball-crushingly" hard. And from what i've heard, Dark Souls actively goes out of it's way to destroy your self worth and piss on you. I think i'm asking the same question as he would when i ask how the fuck anyone likes this sort of game. The reason I Wanna Be The Guy was so popular was because it was taking the piss out of difficulty by making everything nonsensically insane. Dark Souls is I Wanna Be The Guy when trying to take itself seriously. Read: annoying as shit.

Here are some reasons:
1) Survival horror approach. Demon's/Dark Souls are the only true survival horror games of the last 5 years.
2) Unmatched atmosphere. No grimdark bullshit, but actual atmosphere that draws the players in and affects their own mood significantly even after they turn off the game.
3) Amazing level design. Like, seriously, once you finish any world, if you sit down and think of what you've just been through your brain hurts.
4) Great combat system and weapon physics. You know how in action RPG's you click and shit dies? Yeah, that's not what you do in DS. You have to outsmart and outmanouever every single enemy and pick the proper places and ways to fight.
5) The game is never unfair and the controls feel satisfying. You die because you fuck up, and you know you fucked up before you die.
6) Overcoming a challenge is fun, if you are patient and careful. We've forgotten all about that in recent years.
7) Cool unique online features that benefit and complete but never undermine the single player experience, which is the core of the game.

I dont agree with alot of this.

1) I dont consider demon's/dark souls a survival horror game....it doesnt feel like one, resources arent super scarce and nigh unreplenishable, and rarer things can be farmed. It doesnt have the atmosphere. Its a grimdark RPG set in a crapsack world(not derogatory).
2) first, you are using tropes incorrectly. Demons/ dark souls is a grimdark/crapsack world. I dont know where you got that grimdark was a bad thing, like any style it would be bad if done cheesey.
3)Agreed
4)Not really, its more about memorization and positioning. Whats good when, where not to be, how enemies react to certain acts...an idiot could beat nearly every enemy by holding block and learning thier attack patterns, then only thing that makes you use advanced tactics is PvP and bosses.
5) Mostly true, although thier are times when enemy weapons fly straight through solid objects and can hit you through walls and pillars(not the enemies who can break shit down, just regular dudes), the the characters hitbox appears to extend under you. Been hit a million times by horizontal slashes under my feet when standing on a stump or up stairs.
6) No one has forgotten about that, theres just a level of reasonability and it changes from person to person. Dark souls is unreasonable to some people, as is ninja gaiden. People who want to play games and relax dont want to die 100s of times in the first map of the game less then 20 hours in. Its not fun to them, these ridiculous games are very niche. Not all the best sellers old school or new are stupidly hard, but there is challenge there.
7)Online mode causes control input lag.......in dark souls this is not acceptable.

To each his own though.

 

[6_Qubed]

OH GOLLY I FEEL A POPULAR MEMETIC REFERENCE COMING ON

"Noob." You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

[KelsieKatt]

5) Mostly true, although thier are times when enemy weapons fly straight through solid objects and can hit you through walls and pillars(not the enemies who can break shit down, just regular dudes), the the characters hitbox appears to extend under you. Been hit a million times by horizontal slashes under my feet when standing on a stump or up stairs.
7)Online mode causes control input lag.......in dark souls this is not acceptable.

I can agree with this.

As it is, in general, while I like the overall gameplay in Dark Souls better than Demon's Souls, they somehow managed to mess up some of the technical aspects along the way. Which has resulted in Dark Souls being rather buggy, while Demon's Souls had almost none of these problems to speak of.

Another thing I find somewhat annoying is a downside of the open world design of the game. While I like the concept overall and feel it has more pros than cons, there are parts where certain levels are clearly not properly designed for you to be able to backtrack through them in order to leave the area you were in. So, you might have things like groups of enemies dropping down from the ceiling in order to attack you because they were triggered when they weren't supposed to be, which can lead to some rather strange or annoying situations, stuff like that.

If they could fix this stuff, I would legitimately declare Dark Souls better most likely, but at this point, I really can't and this does hold it back unfortunately.

 

[Scrustle]

So you're calling him a noob because you think he's not good at hard games? That even goes against your own definition...

And no, he's not a noob. He's been playing games all his life and it's his job to play them. He is in no way new or inexperienced with games.

Also, how the hell do you know how far he got in Dark Souls? Did he personally tell you?

 

[KelsieKatt]

Also, how the hell do you know how far he got in Dark Souls? Did he personally tell you?

I think you mean Demon's Souls. Nobody knows if he's even played Dark Souls yet. People are HOPING he will though, but fear he wont after his reaction to Demon's Souls. (That said, some people have made assumptions that he probably won't get very far in Dark Souls either, but there's no proof of that outside of his reaction to Demon's Souls.)

And yes, he did actually tell people exactly how far he got in Demon's Souls, as he even described in the review he made how he felt the best way to explain his feelings on Demon's Souls was to describe his exact experience with the entire thing.

Watch his review yourself if you're curious. It's very blunt exactly how far he got and what he played.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1321-Demons-Souls

 

[Flames66]

Right now I'm at Nito which is pretty far in Dark Souls, I ain't a gaming God, but I'm pretty sure Yahtzee couldn't even get that far (Capra Demon is far as he'd get I bet).

I don't agree with him on many things, but this is one thing I do: "If a game feels like work, it isn't looking at a good write-up" (in my case isn't going to be finished).

An example of this for me is Mass Effect. I was doing ok in the game, I had recently become a Spectre and was galavanting about the galaxy getting into adventures. I landed on the planet where you meet the blue woman, rescued her and started going up a lift. A guy appeared, surrounded the lift and killed me every time. I was stuck there for over an hour endlessly repeating my death on the lift and the unskippable cut-scene before it. Eventually I gave up and I have not played the game since.

Another example at the moment (one more relevant here) is in TF2. I have tried several times to play the Halloween map and end up leaving in a huff every time. The problem is that the other team keep going for me rather than the floaty eye thing and killing me in the underworld segments. This does not allow me to enjoy the experience as I would like to all team up against the eye. It is not their problem as they are playing how they want, but it means I can't enjoy the content.

 

[NerfedFalcon]

Guess what? I loved Deus Ex: Human Revolution. I also like the original, just not as much.

Guess what else? I thought Yahtzee's review of the game was hilarious, and right on the ball. Those boss fights really did suck.

 

[Eggbert]

objectively

God dammit. It's an admittedly overly cynical opinion taken for laughs, and all reviews are opinions. Stop using "objectively" in place of "agreeing with me". Never has a word had to suffer such shameful misuse since "ironic". You've also misused noob, but the second post has already called you out on that. And as for not liking multiplayer, I loathe games which charge a full price for a crap single player as an entry fee to multiplayer. That said, I do enjoy me some TF2. And that whole "doesn't mention gameplay" bit. Have you watched his videos? He's admitted the rule is, "if I don't mention it, it's probably done well." See above at the "overly cynical" part. Every game has competent gameplay (with notable exceptions). Barely any games have competent writing or atmosphere. I'll let you combine those two on your own.